20 Replies Latest reply: Sep 19, 2013 2:07 AM by Michael Gianino RSS

    Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?

    scabbot Community Member

      Hey folks --

       

      I'm not sure if this has been cleared up in later versions, but in InD CS3, when a file is open it saves a temporary file in the same place. It seems to me that in every sane application, temporary files are tucked away and nicely hidden somehow. Is there a preference or something in ID to change this? I don't think it's an OS thing, because I've turned "hidden files" on and off in the Finder with no change, so...

       

      Thanks!

        • 1. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
          BobLevine UGM-MVPs

          Nothing's changed. Those are InDesign lock files and they prevent a second instance of the file from being opened.

           

          Bob

          • 2. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
            scabbot Community Member

            Thanks Bob -- okay, now I understand why it has to be there... but couldn't they have named it with a period at the start instead of a tilde? It's obnoxious.

            • 3. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
              BobLevine UGM-MVPs

              Come on now. Really, what's the difference what they're named?

               

              And keep in mind they need to be crossplatform.

               

              Bob

              • 4. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                scabbot Community Member

                If they were named with a period, we wouldn't have to SEE them. 

                 

                Naturally (I just checked) Microsoft decided to use a tilde prefix to hide files. And Adobe has forgotten who got them where they are (Mac users).

                 

                *sigh*

                • 5. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                  John Mensinger MVP

                  For what it's worth, Windows users SEE them as well.

                   

                  When a force-quit leaves one undeleted, being able to see it is a benefit.

                   

                  And Adobe has forgotten who got them where they are (Mac users).

                   

                  *sigh*

                  OFCS

                  • 6. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                    BobLevine UGM-MVPs

                    Okay, I'm just really curious...WHY is this is such a big deal to you?

                     

                    They're only there when the file is open. The second you close the file

                    they go away.

                     

                    Bob

                    • 7. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                      scabbot Community Member

                      Weird, why do Windows users see them? Unless "show hidden files" is enabled somewhere, they're not supposed to...

                       

                      And I thought that they'd auto-restore after a force quit? I seem to recall something like that that happening to me, without needing to open the idlk file itself...

                      • 8. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                        Dov Isaacs Adobe Employee

                        On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated ...

                         

                        The use of the tilde prefix is absolutely not a Windows convention to hide a file. We are not trying to hide those lock files at all. If you see a lock file in a directory with a corresponding InDesign document, it is indicative that either someone else is editing the file or a problem occurred that caused InDesign to abnormally terminate with the corresponding InDesign document open. Why would anyone want to “hide” that? Why would you want to hide them? If we wanted to hide the files, we could have used file attributes instead! In fact, the tilde (~) character is often used where one wants certain files to appear first in alphabetic display.

                         

                        And please cut out this silliness with regards to platforms! Adobe wouldn't be nearly as viable a business if it wasn't for Windows users as well as Mac users and our cross-platform abilities. You like Macs? Mazel tov! Enjoy. But there is no “agenda” at Adobe with regards to platforms.

                         

                                    - Dov

                        • 9. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                          scabbot Community Member

                          You're right, Bob -- but if you've got several files open and need to open another one (from InD's dialogue), all of those lock files get in the way of the real files. Or if I jump back to the Finder to look for something, they're messing up my desktop. It's just poor UX. ...to me, anyhow.

                           

                           

                          • 10. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                            BobLevine UGM-MVPs

                            So you have InDesign files on your desktop? Maybe it's your workflow

                            that's poor, not the UX.

                             

                            Bob

                            • 11. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                              John Mensinger MVP

                              scabbot wrote:

                               

                              And I thought that they'd auto-restore after a force quit? I seem to recall something like that that happening to me, without needing to open the idlk file itself...

                              It's not about recovery or opening the lock files. If a lock file is orphaned, it can block subsequent edit-access to the file. Being able to find and manually delete it solves the problem.

                              • 12. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                                scabbot Community Member

                                Hi Dov --

                                 

                                I was obviously mistaken re: tilde files on Windows (the drawbacks of a quick search). Apologies.

                                 

                                As for why I'd want to hide them... see my reply to Bob Levine, but ALSO -- Illustrator doesn't create (or at least show) them. Photoshop doesn't. Premiere, I believe, has the decency to tuck them into another folder.

                                 

                                My point is that they can do their job without mucking up the GUI -- and also that after 6 (6.5) versions of CS, there are a number of things that still don't jibe between the various components (another example: closing a project in Premiere closes the application -- and THAT'S absolutely a Windows-like thing which I hate).

                                 

                                I didn't intend to start a flame war. I apologize for this going on as long as it has -- all I originally wanted to do was see if there was a way to hide the files. I got carried away.

                                 

                                 

                                • 13. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                                  scabbot Community Member

                                  Hi again Bob -- touché. Yes, I work on them there, because it's only until I'm done enough to move them to the server. And since I'm apparently not supposed to work on them off of the server (according to other forum members at some point), the desktop is the fastest place to access. Click the finder, boom.

                                   

                                  Regardless of my workflow, the desktop issue doesn't address the open-from-the-dialogue issue. They get in the way.

                                  • 14. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                                    BobLevine UGM-MVPs

                                    Who said you couldn't work on a server? The same people that told you a

                                    tilda hid a Window file?

                                     

                                    Bob

                                    • 15. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                                      scabbot Community Member

                                      No, no -- as I said, the tilda was a quick search on my part. The "don't work on a server" I'm almost positive was on these forums (naturally I can't find the thread) -- regardless of whether it was here or not, it was in response to the fact that InDesign kept crashing ("serious error" "must shut down") after waking up from sleep, if there was a file open from the server.

                                       

                                      E.g., I save a file before going to lunch, leave it open (I'm going to keep working on it when I get back from lunch), put the machine to sleep, come back from lunch, wake the machine and WHAMMO crash. Several people told me (in essence) "you idiot, don't work from the server, work locally and then move it to the server". That seemed stupid to me, too -- I still work off the server, but yes, I also keep files on my desktop if they're quick jobs.

                                       

                                      I'm done.

                                      • 16. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                                        bpylant Community Member

                                        No it doesn't. A filename beginning with a tilde will apear at the top of the list when sorted alphabetically (the tilde coming before all alphanumeric characters), but it won't be hidden. Not sure where you looked this up, but it's wrong.

                                        • 17. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                                          Dov Isaacs Adobe Employee

                                          Putting a computer to sleep with an open network-based file is really seriously looking for a problem. Depending upon various network, server, and individual computer settings, trying to continue accessing such an “open” file is dicey, regardless of the application.

                                           

                                          InDesign does indeed work with documents and links over a network. But you should be prudent in how you use same.

                                           

                                          To answer another set of questions of yours, the reason why InDesign does have lock files and Photoshop and Illustrator, for example, don't is that very simply stated, InDesign-based documents tend to group projects as opposed to single-person works. The file formats are much more complex. Having interlocks and recovery mechanisms are key to InDesign being as stable as it is in terms of recovery of work in case of lost connections, network issues, hardware problems, etc.

                                           

                                          If you don't like how Premiere shuts down its application when closing a project, complain to the Premiere development team. That was their decision and absolutely nothing to do with platform capabilities or conventions. Most Windows-based applications do not terminate when closing their last open project, document, etc.

                                           

                                                      - Dov

                                          • 18. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                                            Eugene Tyson MVP

                                            I think that saving files to your desktop is a disasterous workflow - it's not entirely your fault though - as it allows  you a quicker way to work.

                                             

                                            Consider making folders within your My Documents folder for each project that you are working on.

                                             

                                            Working from files on a desktop does get cluttered and it's not attractive to look at. I can't tell you the amount of times I've been at a clients workplace and see items strewn across their computer screen.

                                             

                                            Remember, computers are a filing system, "desktop" literally means treat it like your own office desk, to make things more accessible and easy for yourself and others to find you should have a filing system in place that is easy for everyone to follow.

                                             

                                             

                                            Mine simply goes from a Short cut on the desktop to the Graphic Design Folder

                                             

                                            <Shortcut Graphic Design>

                                            ..<January>

                                            ......<Job 1>

                                            ......<Job 2>

                                             

                                            ......<etc>

                                            ..<February>

                                            ......<Job 1>

                                            ......<Job 2>

                                             

                                            ......<etc>

                                            ..<March>

                                            ......<Job 1>

                                            ......<Job 2>

                                             

                                            ......<etc>

                                            ..<April>

                                            ......<Job 1>

                                            ......<Job 2>

                                            ......<etc>

                                            ..<May>

                                            ......<Job 1>

                                            ......<Job 2>

                                            ......<Job 1>

                                            ......<etc>

                                            • 19. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                                              CJALLEN3

                                              I'm having a problem with IDLK files also. Please help! The LOCK file icons will not go away when I save my INDD files to a folder. Is there anyway to hide them?

                                               

                                              Oh, and here is a weird one... whenever I recieve an INDD file that has been burned to a disk from another designer on my team, I can modify it, but cannot save or export it to a PDF. A lock file is created instead, and the PDF never appears. This is driving me crazy.

                                              • 20. Re: Mac: Any way to hide the temporary .idlk files?
                                                Michael Gianino Community Member

                                                CJALLEN3 wrote:

                                                 

                                                The LOCK file icons will not go away when I save my INDD files to a folder. Is there anyway to hide them?

                                                You can save a file without closing it, and the lock file will still be there. That's because the lock file doesn't go away when you save—only when you close the file.

                                                 

                                                CJALLEN3 wrote:

                                                 

                                                whenever I recieve an INDD file that has been burned to a disk…cannot save or export it to a PDF.

                                                Are you opening it from the burned disk or copying it to your HD and opening it there? If it's trying to save or export to the location of the original, it won't work with a burned disk.