9 Replies Latest reply: May 6, 2013 11:33 AM by PierreLouisBeranek RSS

    Posting Feature Requests for others to Copy/Paste

    PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

      I recently posted a Feature Request I sent to Adobe for another member to copy/paste as his own FR since he liked the suggestion (see the FR below). 

       

      After doing so, I got the idea that we could all do this: copy/paste FRs we send to Adobe into threads on this forum to help each other support the idea with similar requests, or even copy/paste the FR as our own.  With limited resources and time, there's only so many requests Adobe can implement in every new version.   That why it's so important that new features the Premiere Pro team invests their hard work and time on be the tools that would benefit the greatest number of editors.  The more people back up certain ideas, the more likely they'll be implemented sooner than later.

       

      There's power in numbers, so how about using this forum to share our best ideas and make it easier for others to add their voice of support?  It's great that Adobe provides us with a way to send them feedback, but it's too bad that it's a one-way conversation with very little, if any, dialogue back and forth between the submitter and Adobe.  That's why I thought it would be great to bring more of that potential dialogue here, where we can share ideas and support the creation of an ever better Premiere Pro!

       

      If you've never posted a FR or BR (Bug Report) before, you can easily join the effort to make Premiere Pro become all that it can be, here: www.adobe.com/go/wish

       

      Comments?  Ideas?  Please share!

       

       

      Here's the FR I pasted in another thread, as an example. 

       

      *******Enhancement / FMR*********

      Brief title for your desired feature:  Drag&Drop Modified clips into Project Window

       

      How would you like the feature to work?

      Ability to Drag&Drop clips with effects, motion settings, keyframes and/or markers back into the Project Window from the Timeline for later use.

       

      Why is this feature important to you?

      The Project Window is far better than Sequences for storing/organizing modified clips for future use, since it is:

      1. Searchable
      2. Sortable
      3. Viewable in Icon and List views
      4. Full of helpful metadata columns such as 'Video/Audio Usage'
      5. Foolproof in that the original sequence can be deleted without losing any created subclips

       

      Given these advantages, why only allow us to store modified clips in Sequences? Please fix this by allowing users to Drag&Drop clips from the Timeline to the Project Window while preserving all of their modifications (effects, keyframes, motion settings and/or markers).

        • 1. Re: Posting Feature Requests for others to Copy/Paste
          Fuzzy Barsik Community Member
          Comments?  Ideas?  Please share!

          As it has already been discussed in this thread (and duplicated threads are not allowed in Adobe Forums), the aforementioned feature request is mainly based on the false statement that an editor can either store raw clips in the Project panel or modified clip in the timeline. That's false because an editor can nest modified clip right in the timeline and the nested sequence will be automatically stored in the Project panel, turning into a regular reusable asset.

           

          Unfortunately, the OP, as was also outlined in the duplicated thread, carefully avoids any mentioning this ability, which becomes your second nature if you use After Effects (which is unlike FCP is a part of Adobe Suite).

           

          However, since the OP asks for sharing ideas, I do not hesitate to do this once again. Here is the feature request intended to improve the usability of such PrPro assets as 'Sequences' without breaking existing workflow:

          *******Managing Sequences*******

           

          It would be nice if managing capabilities for such assets as 'Sequences' were extended with the following features:

          - similar live thumbnail view, which was introduced for footages in CS6. A small 'Sequence' badge in the top left corner of the thumbnail would allow to differentiate between sequences and clips;

          - enabled metadata and ability to handle them like for any other regular asset;

          - ability to remove empty audio or video tracks completely, i.e. get a sequence as an Audio or Video asset only;

          - pop-up dialog box on hitting 'Nest' command, which would allow to give meaning name instead of default 'Nested Sequence XXX', contain 'Delete All Empty Tracks' checkbox and a button for advanced dialog for logging metadata right on a brand new asset creation.

           

          These features would improve an ability to exploit sequences as reusable assets and preserve consistent applications behaviour throughout the Suite instead of breaking existing workflow by inventing new FCP style 'subclip with effects' type of asset. See this discussion in PrPro Forum for some more details:

          http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1204107?tstart=0

          • 2. Re: Posting Feature Requests for others to Copy/Paste
            PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

            Fuzzy,

            Don't you have anything better to do than hijack other people's threads with baseless arguments?  You've already argued to death that nests allow users to save a modified clip in the Project Window.  I've even agreed with you that this does work.  However having to rely on nests is a very poor workaround for several reasons I've already explained and won't go over again.

             

            This thread isn't even about that FR, nor is it a duplicate as you wrongfully accuse.  It's about inviting more forum members to share their FRs here so we can help each other improve Premiere.  I posted that FR as an example.  See the difference?

            Fuzzy Barsik wrote:

             

            Here is the feature request intended to improve the usability of such PrPro assets as 'Sequences' without breaking existing workflow:

            It seems you're trying to imply that my FR would break existing workflows whereas yours wouldn't.  That is factually wrong.  Neither one of our FRs would break any existing workflows, and both our FRs could happily co-exist.

             

            I have to ask: Why are you so opposed to users being allowed to drag&drop clips with effects into the Project Window, that you even go so far as to hijack another thread that isn't even about that?

            • 3. Re: Posting Feature Requests for others to Copy/Paste
              Fuzzy Barsik Community Member

              1. If you're not willing to listen to different opinions, do not publish anything in such places as Forums.

               

              2. Duplicated threads are not allowed in Adobe Forums. Hence, do not duplicate threads on the basis you don't like comments you got.

               

              3. If you really want to improve things, build on what has already been discussed instead of flooding the Forum with duplicated threads with false statements.

              • 4. Re: Posting Feature Requests for others to Copy/Paste
                PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                Fuzzy Barsik wrote:

                 

                1. If you're not willing to listen to different opinions, do not publish anything in such places as Forums.

                Excellent advice!  How about you follow it?

                Fuzzy Barsik wrote:

                2. Duplicated threads are not allowed in Adobe Forums. Hence, do not duplicate threads on the basis you don't like comments you got.

                What part of the fact that my thread is not a duplicate did you not understand?

                Fuzzy Barsik wrote:

                3. If you really want to improve things, build on what has already been discussed instead of flooding the Forum with duplicated threads with false statements.

                'flooding the Forum with duplicated threads with false statements'?  Quite frankly, Fuzzy, your accusations are becoming rather ridiculous and annoying.

                 

                People have different ways of doing things.  Therefore, a tool that allows people to do things in different ways is best in my opinion.  I agree with the essential ideas in FR you posted at the top of this thread.  But why should your idea automatically exclude another?  You wrote that you want Adobe to use your idea " instead of breaking existing workflow by inventing new FCP style 'subclip with effects' type of asset. "  If you can give me even just 1 valid, factual reason why FCP-style subclips with effects would break existing workflows, I will gladly retract my FR.

                 

                For the last time, chill out man!  We're both on the same team.  Just because I would like to be able to do something a little differently from the way you do it, does that make either one of us right or wrong?

                • 5. Re: Posting Feature Requests for others to Copy/Paste
                  Fuzzy Barsik Community Member
                  Excellent advice!  How about you follow it?

                  I do tolerate different opinions. I've never suggested you to stop commenting in my threads. It's completely different to your reaction, isn't it?

                  What part of the fact that my thread is not a duplicate did you not understand?

                  Show at least one difference.

                  But why should your idea automatically exclude another?

                  Where is it declared? I shared my honest opinion as you asked in the original post, and it's in Adobe's power to decide what to implenemt.

                  If you can give me even just 1 valid, factual reason why FCP-style subclips with effects would break existing workflows, I will gladly retract my FR.

                  I pointed you out for several times, that nesting (pre-composing) is a natural workflow in Adobe Suite, and your suggestion to invent an additional asset to store a single clip with effects, keyframes. etc. etc. raises more questions than answers: why there should be completely different tools to accomplish exactly the same operation for one clip and for two clips? Do you understand that you should propose identical behaviour for the same operations in both PrPro and AE? Have you ever asked After Effects artists what would they think about your suggestion?

                  For the last time, chill out man!

                  That's rather for you. And no exclamation marks needed...

                  • 7. Re: Posting Feature Requests for others to Copy/Paste
                    PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                    Nope, not taking the bait joe.

                    • 8. Re: Posting Feature Requests for others to Copy/Paste
                      JSS1138 Community Member

                      There's power in numbers, so how about using this forum to share our best ideas and make it easier for others to add their voice of support?

                       

                      I think it's a good idea.  I've been storing up a list of features/improvements that I'd like to see added to PP and other programs in the suite.  But I thought it prudent to actually wait until I've used the new versions before posting those ideas for others to copy/paste.  Some of the issues I'd like to see addressed might already have been.

                      • 9. Re: Posting Feature Requests for others to Copy/Paste
                        PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                        That's a good point Jim.  Thanks for sharing.