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    Perpetual licenses are dead

    mhollis55 Community Member

      http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57582735-92/adobe-kills-creative-suite-goes-subscription- only/

      I disagree that this move is that popular. I would rather have a perpetual license so that I can update the applications while I am not in the middle of a project.

        • 1. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
          Nancy O. CommunityMVP

          This is an interesting development.   Creative Cloud updates are optional. You don't have to accept them in the middle of a project any more than you have to accept updates to Perpetual Licensed software.  Do it when you're ready.

           

           

           

          Nancy O.

          • 2. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
            John Waller CommunityMVP

            An unsurprising (some would say expected) move but interesting timing. I've been expecting this for 12 months.

             

            However I do wonder how many perpetual license users will stay on CS6 or look elsewhere.

             

             

            I would rather have a perpetual license so that I can update the applications while I am not in the middle of a project.

            Not sure why this myth seems to hang around. You can always update whenever you're ready. It's your choice.

             

            http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html#how-works

             

            As a Creative Cloud member, am I required to install an upgrade to a desktop application when it becomes available?

            No. You are not required to install any new version of the desktop applications available in Creative Cloud. You can continue using your current version of the product as long as you have an active membership. You have flexibility on when you install a new release to take advantage of new product features, if you choose to do so.

             

            The downside of updating seems to be when Adobe springs unwelcome Trojan-horse-style surprises on unsuspecting users.

             

            e.g. Photoshop's VRAM requirements were hard coded to min 512MB to access 3D features. In the previous dot release, 3D worked fine with less than that. Similarly, Adobe interfered with Dreamweaver's Insert menu and disrupted countless workflows doing so.

            • 3. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
              Jon Fritz II CommunityMVP

              The only drawback (barring goofy deprecation/feature addition choices) I see is for those poor souls with 56k connections.

               

              I'm guessing it's near impossible to download the whole enchilada on a dial up.

               

              On the upside, sitting at the coffee shop for a couple hours on the clock doesn't sound too bad either.

              • 4. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                Missteach Community Member

                Yes - it is now confirmed there will never be a CS7 version you can own properly.

                 

                Adobe state - 'While Adobe Creative Suite® 6 products will continue to be available for purchase, Adobe has no plans for future releases of Creative Suite or other CS products.'

                 

                So, it seems if you want to upgrade to CS7, the compulsory Cloud rental thing is the only way to go. But if you don't pay one month, you're back to square one.

                 

                Enforced popularity of cloud doesn't mean people like its limitations.

                 

                Sad day.

                • 5. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                  Al Sparber Community Member

                  I think you can lease a Tata Nano for less then the CC subscription

                  price

                   

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                  • 6. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                    ExactImage Community Member

                    Sad day.  I was ready to upgrade my web software from CS5.5 to CS7 but now they won't get a penny out of me.  I'm not renting software.  Sorry Adobe, I guess we're done.

                    • 7. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                      Nancy O. CommunityMVP

                      Feels like this was timed precisely to coincide with Adobe MAX Con in Los Angeles this week as well the release of CS7.

                       

                      I think this solves some of the logistic issues that sprang up with maintaining multiple versions of CS6 Suite.  At least CS7 will promote people to a more level playing field: either you're on the Cloud or you're not.

                       

                      Someone in another forum asked how all this would effect ACE Exams.  Good question.  How do you build certification exams for products that keep changing?

                       

                       

                      Nancy O.

                      • 8. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                        mhollis55 Community Member

                        Actually, Nancy, in Dreameaver you are right. But in AfterEffects and Premiere, you are not. I cannot tell you how many times a client came back with the same material wanting everything the same -- only a few changes.

                         

                        And if Adobe "updates" certain things in their video/film applications, they will break the sequence and/or how the effects work.

                         

                        I suppose one could test, then if the new version breaks anything make a clone of one's boot drive with the previous Adobe product on it. That could get really expensive over time though…

                         

                        This is from another community that I participate in. These people do television and film for a living:

                         

                        We have been using Adobe's subscription "cloud" license on one workstation which is mostly used for Avid's Media Composer. The only thing I do not like is having to always connect an internet connection to "renew" the Adobe license and check-in with "big brother" once in a while.  I usually do not like to have Internet connections on our production systems for security reasons. (Emphasis mine.)

                         

                        I am sure Adobe's not considering these factors in this move.

                         

                        -Mark

                        • 9. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                          polar_bare Community Member

                          I need a little help from those here that know. Since Adobe is going to the cloud only, where are files stored? I have Photoshop documents, Indesign document, Illustrator documents and websites.

                           

                          Can I store these files locally (as I have a large amount of files) and I guess if so, they are just dust when I let my subscription expires. Sorry, but I am a bit confused on this topic.

                           

                          Jim

                          • 10. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                            mhollis55 Community Member

                            This is not really "cloud computing" per se. You download the entire application and it resides on your local hard drive. The "cloud" part is licensing and registration, where the application needs to see the Licensing Server (as Nancy O. says) once monthly.

                             

                            If you are running a system like Media Composer or Avid's DS, you have lots of reasons to NOT connect your production system to the Internet. Adobe's new "cloud" (which is not) licensing is going to require a once-monthly connection for those systems.

                            • 11. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                              BITESBITER Community Member

                              We use the "Master Suite" and are definitely not going for this cloud deal! Already looking for alternatives.

                               

                              It's like changing the rules during the match and leaving your costumers with no choice.

                               

                              I don't want any more monthly costs and like to make the decision to upgrade (and spend money!) when I am ready for it.

                               

                              The  deal Adobe comes up with makes you pay a monthly fee for one year (minimum!) so it is no deal at all!

                               

                              When you consider that we normally skip 2 versions because of the lack of any important updates it is also fare more expensive!

                              • 12. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                pziecina Community Member

                                 

                                And if Adobe "updates" certain things in their video/film applications, they will break the sequence and/or how the effects work.

                                 

                                Hi

                                 

                                When the new CC app is available, you will be able to also download the previous version of a program. So if you require a CS6 version you will be able to download it.

                                 

                                PZ

                                • 13. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                  mhollis55 Community Member

                                  Really? If you're getting this from the folks at Adobe Max, this is good news. I cannot tell you how many times I've had revisions come in that added work due to the fact that I had to rework stuff from scratch because of an upgrade.

                                   

                                  Of course one bad thing about Macintosh is that, when Apple updates operating systems, it sometimes prevents you from using a previous version. But that is not an Adobe issue.

                                  • 14. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                    Nancy O. CommunityMVP

                                    where are files stored?

                                    @Jim,

                                    Wherever you wish.  I keep work files on my local HD, backup drives and for redundancy, I also store some in a Cloud Connection Folder on my desktop which synchs to my Cloud Space.    But the choice of using Cloud Space or not is entirely up to you.  It's not mandatory.

                                     

                                     

                                    Nancy O.

                                    • 15. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                      polar_bare Community Member

                                      Getting pricing on moving to CS6 from 5.5 on six systems. I will forgo the cloud for a while, and hopefully until I am no longer here. Buget is tight for next year and if I move to the "not so latest" version, I will have to do it this budget year as I have some technology budget left to spend, but the final call will not be mine.

                                       

                                      I have read a lot about this move that Adobe is making, some positive, most negative, but then you always hear the bad and usually the good is quiet. I might be able to reduce the licensing by three since those are for a special project that will be going away.

                                       

                                      Change can be scary when you are my age . It used to invigorate me, now it tires me. This will probably be the last Adobe upgrade for this organization and then on to less costly, less featured alternatives.

                                       

                                      1. So I understand that once a month there is a license check, and with us, it would be only once a year.
                                      2. You can store files on the cloud if you choose, or locally.
                                      3. Software is downloaded on the device and used locally if number one is done.
                                      4. Not such a big deal and for our special project, the cloud might be better.

                                      Thanks for everyone's response to my concerns, I think I got it now, but probably I will not be getting it.

                                      • 16. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                        pziecina Community Member

                                        mhollis55 wrote:

                                         

                                        Really? If you're getting this from the folks at Adobe Max, this is good news. I cannot tell you how many times I've had revisions come in that added work due to the fact that I had to rework stuff from scratch because of an upgrade.

                                         

                                        Of course one bad thing about Macintosh is that, when Apple updates operating systems, it sometimes prevents you from using a previous version. But that is not an Adobe issue.

                                        Hi

                                         

                                        Yes, that it direct from the CC team.

                                        I don't know about DW CS6, but Adobe has also said it will maintain Fireworks CS6, (no longer actively developed) to be compatible with OS updates, and if they are doing that for Fireworks I would think they will also do the same for other products.

                                         

                                        CS6 will still be available as a perpetual licence version also.

                                         

                                        PZ

                                        • 17. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                          pziecina Community Member

                                          Jim Carpenter wrote:

                                           

                                          Getting pricing on moving to CS6 from 5.5 on six systems. I will forgo the cloud for a while, and hopefully until I am no longer here. Buget is tight for next year and if I move to the "not so latest" version, I will have to do it this budget year as I have some technology budget left to spend, but the final call will not be mine.

                                          Hi Jim

                                           

                                          There is a special 'team licensing' version of CC, which works out much cheaper than individual licences for 4 or more users.

                                           

                                          I don't have the specific details, but it may be worth checking as one can add/remove CC 'users' as required.

                                           

                                          PZ

                                          • 18. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                            mhollis55 Community Member

                                            What I object to is that Adobe has decided that they will make this business decision for us. When you purchase a "perpetual" license, you may, in the US, write off the investment over time on your taxes. That's dead. Instead, Adobe wants us to write the software off as if though it were a rental or a lease, with a monthly charge.

                                             

                                            That certainly fits in with a company's desire to generate a constant revenue stream. With software, companies typically make a big investment and then hope for sales revenues on the tail end.

                                             

                                            I "gamed" that system by choosing to not upgrade. While I did have to pay full price for software (and not the "upgrade" price), I found that, at the rate I did purchase upgrades, I saved money. Now, an upgrade will cost me monthly with no option to simply hold my license and not pay for constant upgrades (whether I download them or not).

                                             

                                            It has been a business decision that I shall continue to use older software (some not supported) and not upgrade until something presents itself in the new software that really requires that I do so.  For anyone choosing to use CS7 or above, that business model has been prevented by Adobe.

                                             

                                            And, franklky, this is going to hurt computer sales. I have a workstation for production that is capable of running CS6 (and CS7) quite well. If I stay with CS6 (or earlier) then it's "fast enough for me." Further computer upgrades won't get me much more out of my Adobe products.

                                             

                                            Incidentally, I am using Microsoft's Office 2008, which Microsoft is ending support for shortly. Works just fine for me, even though lots of people have complained about some of the "features" in the application suite. Since it will open all current Office documents, I don't need an "upgrade" that gives me nothing more than another learning curve. Microsoft certainly hasn't made Office produce better web pages—not that I would expect any Microsoft product to do so. It is a conscious business decision to not upgrade. It is not worthwhile to me.

                                             

                                            But I'd look to Microsoft to do the same thing with their Office Suite, just like the Adobe suite.

                                             

                                            Apple has created their Apple Store for Macintosh and will be insisting that all new applications that run under their latest operatins system do so inside their "sandbox." While this makes the computers that run OS X a lot safer and many times more resistent to malware, it has a tendency to herd OS X users into a "corral" that only Apple controls—kind of like the iOS universe. I do not necessarily agree that Apple ought to be able to take a percentage of the price away from Adobe for placing the Adobe product on their store. That is a business decision that I wonder if Adobe would appreciate.

                                             

                                            Jim, I'm not sure what the difference is between CS6 and CS 5.5. With respect to Dreamweaver, I didn't see anything compelling (I use 5.5).

                                            • 19. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                              Nancy O. CommunityMVP

                                              Yes.  I was going to suggest you look at Cloud for Teams which has an annual plan of US $69.95/month

                                              http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/teams.html

                                               

                                              Team Cloud has features which are not available to individual subscribers.

                                              The main difference is being able to activate or deactivate seats as needed without  penalty. 

                                               

                                               

                                              Nancy O.

                                              • 20. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                polar_bare Community Member

                                                Thanks Nancy, if that was a suggestion for myself. I have looked at that option earlier today and I am still considering it. One more question Nancy and anyone else here:

                                                 

                                                If we currently use 5.5, is an upgrade to 6 worth the expense if we don't consider the cloud option at this time?

                                                 

                                                Mark, thanks for your feedback. I kinda see things your way at this point.

                                                • 21. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                  pziecina Community Member

                                                  Jim Carpenter wrote:

                                                   

                                                  If we currently use 5.5, is an upgrade to 6 worth the expense if we don't consider the cloud option at this time?

                                                  Hi Jim,

                                                   

                                                  I did not think the upgrade from CS5.5 to CS6 offered much in the way of improvements.

                                                   

                                                  However if you are working with html5, css3 and media-querys, then there is a dramatic improvement in this workflow in the new Dw CC, especially for css/media-querys via  the CSS Designer panel.

                                                   

                                                  That's only my personal opinion though.

                                                   

                                                  PZ

                                                  • 22. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                    polar_bare Community Member

                                                    Thanks PZ, I respect your opinion. I just got the price tag for the updates and it's a littler over $2,000 and with things as tight as they are, I probably will wait. I can still "hand code" for htm5 and I haven't played much with media querys as I think there will be a big change coming in that technology. And as far as css3, it's hand codeable also.

                                                    • 23. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                      mhollis55 Community Member

                                                      Can you take a picture of what you are describing?

                                                       

                                                      I am currently hand-coding css3 gradients and would love to see if Dreamweaver actually will show start, stop and end colors.

                                                      • 24. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                        Nancy O. CommunityMVP

                                                        mhollis55 wrote:

                                                         

                                                        I am currently hand-coding css3 gradients and would love to see if Dreamweaver actually will show start, stop and end colors.

                                                        Live View does. 

                                                         

                                                        The CSS Panel doesn't provide total support for this yet. You still have to input linear-gradient RGBA values & vendor-prefixes manually. 

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        Nancy O.

                                                        • 25. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                          mhollis55 Community Member

                                                          OK, we are OT.

                                                           

                                                          But that would have been worth the upgrade from CS 5.5. I am currently using code snippets for that and it looks great and is supported in Live View (with additional checks on my iPad, iPhone and on my browsers), but IMHO, CS5.5 is doing everything CS6 is doing.

                                                           

                                                          I do not like how the CSS Panels support gradients. You get this little + sign over a right triangle—what's that supposed to mean? Of no help whatsoever. And, of course, Design View does about as good a job rendering that as Internet Exploder 6 would do—I think. I am not suggesting that they dump Live View or Live Code, but when you're just trying to mark sections out and see them, CSS3 is really beginning to break "Design View."

                                                          • 26. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                            pziecina Community Member

                                                            mhollis55 wrote:

                                                             

                                                            OK, we are OT.

                                                             

                                                            But that would have been worth the upgrade from CS 5.5. I am currently using code snippets for that and it looks great and is supported in Live View (with additional checks on my iPad, iPhone and on my browsers), but IMHO, CS5.5 is doing everything CS6 is doing.

                                                             

                                                            I do not like how the CSS Panels support gradients. You get this little + sign over a right triangle—what's that supposed to mean? Of no help whatsoever. And, of course, Design View does about as good a job rendering that as Internet Exploder 6 would do—I think. I am not suggesting that they dump Live View or Live Code, but when you're just trying to mark sections out and see them, CSS3 is really beginning to break "Design View."

                                                            Hi

                                                             

                                                            O/K, for obvious reasons I cannot give you a picture of Dw CC, (NDA) but if you head over to Adobe TV (http://tv.adobe.com/#) there are a number of videos available about CC, (and MAX) a few of them are about the CSS Designer panel.

                                                             

                                                            Look closely at the video you will see some of the features, (including Gradients and much more). Also the Dw CC product page describes some of these features.

                                                             

                                                            PZ

                                                            • 27. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                              pziecina Community Member

                                                              Hi, (again)

                                                               

                                                              You can also take a look at David Powers blog post about MAX, where he describes a few of the CSS Designer 'features' - http://foundationphp.com/blog/

                                                               

                                                              Sorry I cannot say more, but until CC is released!

                                                               

                                                              PZ

                                                              • 28. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                mhollis55 Community Member

                                                                dreamweaver-cc.png

                                                                you mean this one?

                                                                 

                                                                Seriously, an NDA ought not prevent you from saying that there is gradient support when they have a video like this on their website.

                                                                 

                                                                This may help my workflow and may be worth the upgrade. There's a whole lot of font stuff and other stuff that the video talks about that is not interesting to me.

                                                                • 29. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                  pziecina Community Member

                                                                  mhollis55 wrote:

                                                                   

                                                                  Seriously, an NDA ought not prevent you from saying that there is gradient support when they have a video like this on their website.

                                                                  Hi

                                                                   

                                                                  Seriously, the NDA does. I can point you to videos, articles, blog posts, etc.

                                                                   

                                                                  But until the product is released, all I am allowed to say is, "xyz is included ,and if you look at video abc FROM ADOBE you will see this feature".

                                                                   

                                                                  Now you know what makes NDA's so frustrating, and why one has to be careful.

                                                                   

                                                                  I cannot even hint that something may be included when someone asks a question, which is probably why everyone in a pre-release , answers very few forum questions.

                                                                   

                                                                  PZ

                                                                  • 30. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                    Al Sparber Community Member

                                                                    Reading an author's (or speaker's) review of a feature is useless.

                                                                    Obviously, David has to put a positive spin on things if he is investing

                                                                    the time to do a workshop. I have looked at the feature videos and can

                                                                    tell you that some people will love them, especially at first and

                                                                    especially beginners, while others will utterly hate them - especially

                                                                    since it seems the classic property-sheet format CSS panel is gone and

                                                                    one needs to deal with beginner level hand-holding, whether they want to

                                                                    or not. I guess, advanced CSS authors (real ones, not wannabes) will

                                                                    simply restrict their work to CSS code view, which is fine - and use the

                                                                    gradient editor - although from the video it looks fatally flawed in

                                                                    terms of syntax handling.

                                                                     

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                                                                    • 31. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                      mhollis55 Community Member

                                                                      I didn't start effectively using the CSS panel in Dreamweaver until I started understanding how CSS works. The stuff I did as a beginner was, in a word, nasty.

                                                                       

                                                                      And I fully expect any replacement of that panel to make is hideously easy to create really bad stuff, like AP Divs.

                                                                       

                                                                      But if one writes decent CSS code, then needs to do a couple of quick changes (client wants a color change in the ramp—the dark look isn't working for them, etc.) one can use the CSS panel to do that.

                                                                       

                                                                      Al's seeing stuff I'm not seeing and, having edited video for over 25 years, I know how to make Alpha sofware look like it's "supposed to look according to a producer" for a video presentation. Will the actual Adobe software really do that? Who knows! I've seen software in Beta lose features that caused problems pre-release for release.

                                                                       

                                                                      (Credential here, I worked closely with a division of Reuters that was helping Waggoner-Edstrom preview and promote Microsoft's Windows '95—maybe some of you have heard about that. If you noticed that everything in the promo videos were really snappy, like they werer on a faster computer than you had, you were looking at my work.)

                                                                       

                                                                      So, to Al, don't believe everything you see on video.

                                                                       

                                                                      I still will hand-code my CSS, probably—and may not upgrade. I appreciate David's invitation to join him at Adobe MAX, but I don't have the time or the excess cash to fly out there from Connecticut right now.

                                                                      • 32. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                        Al Sparber Community Member

                                                                        Mark,

                                                                         

                                                                        I know what I saw and I never make a statement like that in public that

                                                                        without evidence. Once Dreamweaver CC is fully released and public I'd

                                                                        be happy to go into detail. Let's just say I'm not at liberty to discuss

                                                                        this any further right now.

                                                                         

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                                                                        • 33. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                          osgood_ CommunityMVP

                                                                          Never use the css panel in Dreamweaver so this upgrade is immaterial to my workflow. I can't believe using any css panel is faster, better or gives more control than actually hand coding it oneself. Plenty of quirky stuff emerging which Adobe are throwing into the mix which will most likley disappear or be proven to be crap over time....their track record isn't exactly great is it......AP <divs>, timelines, spry to name but a few. The areas that would be more helpful like a set of improved server behaviours (which I believe is a massive part of why the program is so popular) they have completely overlooked in favour or rather lame or non-essential updates. Go figure. And as for Cloud only well I don't approve of that either......I'll make my current versions of Adobe products last as long as I can then consider my options.

                                                                          • 34. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                            VL Branko Community Member

                                                                             

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                                                                            I'm curious as to why Al's signature has suddenly become spam? He has made hundreds of valuable comments on this fourm with that signature, but now it is spam. Why?

                                                                            • 35. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                              Paevo Kelley Community Member

                                                                              So now you effectively will be forced to "upgrade" to the newest version of the suite whether you want to or not. What a rip-off...

                                                                              • 36. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                                Paevo Kelley Community Member

                                                                                This runs counter to the whole workflow concept. Being an efficient designer means knowing exactly what you need from each program. I don't want to have to reorient myself everytime I open the software program.

                                                                                • 37. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                                  BITESBITER Community Member

                                                                                  Yes and looking back to the upgrade history from the last 3 "Master Suite" upgrades (CS3 till now)  it doesn't look very promising.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Not really much essential stuff changed in most programs (except for Aftereffects and Premiere-Pro) and Dreamweaver has become a sluggish outdated program.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  The only reason I keep it for the moment is because of the Project Seven extensions,  P7 is the only company that kept Dreamweaver up to date (with exceptional webdesigners tools like "Column Composer Magic") not Adobe!

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Most of the time we end up finishing a website in Sublime text 2. Works 3x faster.

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                                    Al Sparber Community Member

                                                                                    Because they are idiots.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I normally use email to for this forum and my signature is inserted

                                                                                    automatically. I took out the link and left the rest of the signature,

                                                                                    depending on what is removed we'll see if we have a live moron or an

                                                                                    automated idiot

                                                                                     

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                                                                                    • 39. Re: Perpetual licenses are dead
                                                                                      mhollis55 Community Member

                                                                                      That has been covered and it is false.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Nancy has confirmed that you do not have to upgrade, you can do that when you want to. And if you are working with an older project that requires something that used to be supported, you can install a "downgrade" and work with that if you are using the "cloud" which is not based in the "cloud."

                                                                                       

                                                                                      The only real issue is that a business decision has been taken away from you. You wind up paying for "upgrades" that you may not want and may not install.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      As to the CSS panel "upgrades," of course we'll all have to find out if Adobe's redesign works with our workflow or if it's a horribly botched job. I think Adobe has, basically, been sitting on Macromedia's Dreamweaver for years and not developing it in any real way, save to keep it working with current operating system changes so that the application doesn't crash on startup. And, to a certain extent, that's really valuable for people like Al Sparber and the folks at Web Assist who make plugins. Had Adobe monkeyed with the Dreamweaver Extensions framework, it could have really wreaked havoc there, but the extensions you purchase from Project VII, Web Assist and the other companies that do Extensions work for all versions of Dreamweaver back to the Macromedia versions.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      If Adobe has changed the Extensions framework in the new Creative Cloud version, I can see a lot of people simply not upgrading. Ther's a lot a value added in simply buying a package from a company like Project Seven and not re-inventing the wheel or trying to find code that may or may not work from some website out there on the Internet.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      With Dreamweaver, you never are forced to upgrade to a version that will slow you down in mid-project. And Nancy O says that you can even downgrade your version of Adobe's software if, for example, you are doing a video project where you need to update something that only works with a previous version of AfterEffects (for example).

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