6 Replies Latest reply: May 22, 2013 11:19 AM by roller666 RSS

    Can I edit a movie from a bundle of different file types / sizes

    roller666 Community Member

      Can I edit a movie from a bundle of different file types / sizes etc

      I asked this yesterday and had one good response ... I have added more detail to the question and hoping for a push in the right direction !

       

      I am using Prem Elements 11

      Windows 7 64bit

       

      I am making a birthday movie and all contributors have sent me different filetypes / sizes / frame rates

       

      I  think all are supported by Windows except one which only played on VLC  Media player (this one was named as  "xxx.MOV - Google Drive.flv" )

       

      Mostly mp4 but at 4 different sizes !

      Several MOV files - 2 different sizes

      m4v file at a completely different size

       

      I tried converting the flv file to mp4 - the video converted fine, but the sound vanished.

       

      I  would be most grateful for a steer in the right direction ... I'm a  fast learner - but my expertise has been mainly with stills not video

       

      Cheers

        • 1. Re: Can I edit a movie from a bundle of different file types / sizes
          A.T. Romano Community Member

          roller666

           

          Your categories

          Mostly mp4 but at 4 different sizes !

          Several MOV files - 2 different sizes

          m4v file at a completely different size

          and a flv to which you referred

           

          I was meaning to get back to you asking for more details so that I could suggest a model workflow that you could try out. So, before I get detoured, let me ask the questions now:

           

          1. If you have not already, please download and install the free MediaInfo program so that we can get source media properties information

          http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en

          I realize that you are detailing with an assortment of video, so maybe give me a sampling from each of your categories representing a range.

          As you know, flv is not a supported type in Premiere Elements. What did you use for the conversion of .flv to .mp4, including properties of .flv and properties of the .mp4 involved.

           

          2. The automatic setting of the Premiere Elements 11 project preset (New Project Dialog) may need to be replaced with a manual set of the project preset File Menu/New/Project. But let us check out the properties of your video assets to start.

           

          3. What is your projected Timeline duration for one of your projects with this mixed Timeline? Are your computer resources optimized?

           

          4. Do you have a primary goal of export to file saved to the computer hard drive or burn to disc (DVD or Blu-ray)?

           

          If you are OK with stills and are comfortable with the basic principles of Premiere Elements and depending on the quality of the source media, you should do just fine.

           

          Thanks.

           

          ATR

          • 2. Re: Can I edit a movie from a bundle of different file types / sizes
            roller666 Community Member

            Thanks again

            Answering your list in order .............

            1. Yes.

            Now got a 14 page document with all details ... How do I get that to you ?

            This a sample :-

             

            General

            Complete name                            : C:\Users\Tony\Desktop\Laura_Vids\20120811_212818.mp4

            Format                                   : MPEG-4

            Format profile                           : Base Media

            Codec ID                                 : isom

            File size                                : 54.6 MiB

            Duration                                 : 26s 965ms

            Overall bit rate                         : 17.0 Mbps

            Encoded date                             : UTC 2012-08-11 20:29:16

            Tagged date                              : UTC 2012-08-11 20:29:16

             

            Video

            ID                                       : 1

            Format                                   : AVC

            Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec

            Format profile                           : High@L4.0

            Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes

            Format settings, ReFrames                : 1 frame

            Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=30

            Codec ID                                 : avc1

            Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding

            Duration                                 : 26s 728ms

            Source duration                          : 26s 748ms

            Bit rate                                 : 17.0 Mbps

            Width                                    : 1 920 pixels

            Height                                   : 1 080 pixels

            Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9

            Frame rate mode                          : Variable

            Frame rate                               : 29.970 fps

            Minimum frame rate                       : 18.703 fps

            Maximum frame rate                       : 32.386 fps

            Color space                              : YUV

            Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0

            Bit depth                                : 8 bits

            Scan type                                : Progressive

            Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.273

            Stream size                              : 54.1 MiB (99%)

            Source stream size                       : 54.2 MiB (99%)

            Title                                    : VideoHandle

            Language                                 : English

            Encoded date                             : UTC 2012-08-11 20:29:16

            Tagged date                              : UTC 2012-08-11 20:29:16

            mdhd_Duration                            : 26728

             

            Audio

            ID                                       : 2

            Format                                   : AAC

            Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec

            Format profile                           : LC

            Codec ID                                 : 40

            Duration                                 : 26s 965ms

            Bit rate mode                            : Constant

            Bit rate                                 : 128 Kbps

            Channel(s)                               : 2 channels

            Channel positions                        : Front: L R

            Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz

            Compression mode                         : Lossy

            Stream size                              : 410 KiB (1%)

            Title                                    : SoundHandle

            Language                                 : English

            Encoded date                             : UTC 2012-08-11 20:29:16

            Tagged date                              : UTC 2012-08-11 20:29:16

             

            I used Converter_Lite v1.6.3 to convert my flv to mp4

             

            2. 

            3. Probably about 10 minutes.  At the moment it is 7 minutes with a few clips to come

            Computer optimised? Not sure what that means, but I have Intel i5 2.8GHz / 4 Gb RAM / Plenty of HD space

             

            4. Primary goal is export to file which will have to be uploaded to Dropbox for use by 3rd party on a laptop or iPad - so will need to be a compressed file which I will Zip.

             

            Before I copy all details from Media Info ... Do you need all info?  Or just some selected headings?

             

            Thank you so much for your time

             

            Tony

             

             

             

                

            tony

            • 3. Re: Can I edit a movie from a bundle of different file types / sizes
              whsprague Community Member

              roller666 wrote:

               

              Can I edit a movie from a bundle of different file types / sizes etc

               

              The simple way to find out is to start a new project, put the most important clip in the timeline first (to establish the project settings) and then add the rest before or after the first one. 

               

              See if it plays!  Remember that the originals are never changed, only used.  There is no risk trying it the simple way first.

              • 4. Re: Can I edit a movie from a bundle of different file types / sizes
                roller666 Community Member

                Well,  all files are in the project, and plays OK on the timeline.

                So the answer, I guess, is that PremElements takes anything you throw at it !

                Managed to convert the flv to mp4 with sound this time.

                 

                Black bars all over the place (some clips were portrait format) - but for what I need it for, I think it will work fine.

                 

                Thanks for your input

                 

                Tony

                • 5. Re: Can I edit a movie from a bundle of different file types / sizes
                  A.T. Romano Community Member

                  roller666

                   

                  You wrote:

                  Well,  all files are in the project, and plays OK on the timeline.

                  So the answer, I guess, is that PremElements takes anything you throw at it !

                  That is great news, but not necessarily true about "...takes anything you throw at it!"

                   

                  In the information that you posted was great. But, the key information that I targeted in that example was:

                  AVCHD (represented by avi1)

                  1920 x 1080 16:9

                  29.97 frames per second

                  Progressive

                  Bitrate 17.0 Mbps (megabits per second)

                  and

                  AAC 2 channel audio.

                   

                  Let us assume that the above type is your project's primary interest, and everything else needs to fall into place around it. The project preset for that source media would be:

                  NTSC/DSLR/1080p/DSLR 1080p30 @ 29.97

                   

                  Premiere Elements 11 has a default project preset of NTSC AVCHD Full HD1080i30. And, after you Add Media and drag the FIRST FILE to the Timeline Expert view, the program will analyze  that file and reset the project preset to match the properties of the file. It does not always succeed in that task. When it has difficulies with the match it defaults to its default, that NTSC Full HD1080i30. So, first order of business is to determine what the program has set for the project preset in your case. Please check Edit Menu/Project Settings to find out. If the program is not set correctly, the start a new project, immediately go to File Menu/New/Project and set the project preset yourself to NTSC/DSLR/1080p/DSLR 1080p30 @ 29.97, making sure that you put a check mark next to "Force selected Project Setting on this project". And, then use the Add Media to import your file into the program's Project Assets  from where you drag the file to the Timeline.

                   

                  The space in the Edit Mode monitor represents the sizing for 1920 x 1080 based on your project preset setting. If you bring in files with 720 x 480 or 1280 x 720, then you can scale that video to eliminate any black borders that exist. See what that looks like. To scale, highlight your video on the Timeline, click on Applied Effects tab to the right of the interface in order to bring up the Applied Effects Palette with its Motion Panel. Expand the Motion Panel to reveal its option which include Scale. With constrain proportions used, width and height are scale together. If you do not use constrain proportions, then width and height can be scaled individually. To avoid distortions, start with constrain proportions selected.

                   

                  Another approach to this black border matter, is filling the black borders in with an approprate background. The clip with the black borders would go on Video 2 and the background design on Video 1.

                   

                  Remember the mini test run with a representative sampling of files before the grand project. Great news that you were about to convert the .flv into a format that has video and audio in Premiere Elements.

                   

                  The above was a generalization for now. Please let me know how I can elaborate on it more to help you.

                   

                  Thanks.

                   

                  ATR

                  • 6. Re: Can I edit a movie from a bundle of different file types / sizes
                    roller666 Community Member

                    Hi ATR

                     

                    Thanks for all of this.

                    I have been working on this since we last communicated. I started with the clip that I had shot on a Nikon DSLR

                     

                    This is the Media Info of first clip I put down on Timeline:

                     

                    General

                    Complete name                            : C:\Users\Tony\Videos\Leon\DSC_0001.AVI

                    Format                                   : AVI

                    Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave

                    File size                                : 18.5 MiB

                    Duration                                 : 9s 0ms

                    Overall bit rate                         : 17.3 Mbps

                     

                    Video

                    ID                                       : 0

                    Format                                   : JPEG

                    Codec ID                                 : MJPG

                    Duration                                 : 9s 0ms

                    Bit rate                                 : 17.1 Mbps

                    Width                                    : 1 280 pixels

                    Height                                   : 720 pixels

                    Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9

                    Frame rate                               : 24.000 fps

                    Color space                              : YUV

                    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2

                    Bit depth                                : 8 bits

                    Compression mode                         : Lossy

                    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.773

                    Stream size                              : 18.3 MiB (99%)

                     

                    Audio

                    ID                                       : 1

                    Format                                   : PCM

                    Format settings, Endianness              : Little

                    Format settings, Sign                    : Signed

                    Codec ID                                 : 1

                    Duration                                 : 9s 0ms

                    Bit rate mode                            : Constant

                    Bit rate                                 : 176.4 Kbps

                    Channel(s)                               : 1 channel

                    Sampling rate                            : 11.025 KHz

                    Bit depth                                : 16 bits

                    Stream size                              : 194 KiB (1%)

                    Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves

                    Interleave, duration                     : 1000 ms (24.00 video frames)

                    Interleave, preload duration             : 1000 ms

                     

                    With all other clips, I either zoomed in if framing allowed or added images onto another video channel to cover the black bars left and right (on portrait format clips shot on iphones I assume)

                     

                    I am now at a most confusing stage of not knowing how to save ... there seem to be limitless options

                    First and most important use is to play on someone else's iPad ! ( Needs to be sent to Dropbox )

                     

                    My first attempt - using the publish/share option for Quicktime output - produced a movie with top and bottom black bars - I assume I need to tell the software somehow what my format is. (1280x720)

                     

                    I really appreciate your help and advice - thanks in anticipation !

                     

                    Tony