6 Replies Latest reply on May 16, 2013 11:19 PM by Mylenium

    Should adobe make another photoshop like program for painters/concept artist?

    coreyarte Level 1

      I know the adobe higher ups may not even see this but I wanted to simply voice my my opinion...

       

          Now with the new photoshop cc coming out its pretty clear that photoshop  wants to stick to its roots and aim primarily at photographers(has been for awhile). Even the slogan for photoshop cc is "Photoshop everything a photographer needs". When cs5 came out and they finally introduced the mixerbrush I thought finally adobe is looking more at the painters/concept artist out there; but even that turned out to be a gimmick for photographers more so than a serious tool for painters. I mean every big block buster movie or triple A title game studio have artist like myself who have to concept the images we see and play that are most likely using photoshop... a tool that doesnt really have "us" in mind so much.

       

      There are alternatives but they arent as stable, dont provide the same editing possibilities as photoshop, and frankly arent as common to find inhouse at studios. So I ask should we concept artist, digital painters, designers, continue to take a backseat or should adobe create a separate product for us? Photographers get lightroom and  photoshop. Some of them dont even like to use photoshop for editing photos because they have lightroom or alternative software. Now to be honesty, I dont want another piece of software. I rather just stick to photoshop and get some key features that would really benefit visual artist like myself and others on our daily work. The problem is, we would most likely be waiting forever to be taken seriously as photoshop users. Photoshop does indeed have alot of amazing features but has fallen behind for awhile now in some design/painting features that are common in most art software.

       

      I just wanted to voice that quick opinion. I know some may not agree that photoshop should focus alittle bit more on us in this industry in photoshop/alternative program but I hope you understand my view. Below is just a few things I think could make photoshop cc2 better for concept artist/painters.

       


      FEATURES FOR CONCEPT ARTIST LIST

       

      1.) A real mixer brush/blending brush---
      This is probably the biggest disappointment for alot of us who were expecting this tool to be our answer for blending whiling painting like a real paint brush. Nearly every other art software seems to be able to do this right to some degree but photoshop. I still dont understand why this is so difficult for the biggest art software company in the world to get correct. You ask most painters who have tried the mixerbrush and they will say they dont like it. I've given in multiple chances for but cant always end up ditching it from my pipeline. You're close adobe for your first try but needs improvement.

       

      2.) Smooth option for brush strokes---
      Not the same option we have now I mean something similar to illustrator/flash that smooths the line while you draw. This would help tremendously when doing lineart for those character ortho sheets we artist draw for your favorite game/3d movie character.

       

      3.) Flip Canvas Non Destructively---
      So many artist want this feature. You can add a checkbox to the rotate tool for fliping the image nondestructive for duel screen editing/comparing. Extremely helpful for everyone. You could even add this feature to the navigator panel.
      http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/flip_canvas_horizontally_non_destruc tively_for_duel_view_editing?utm_content=topic_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=reply_noti fication

       

      4.) Perspective Grid Tool---
      When artist have to design the areas you see in movies/games, we usually have to draw a perspective grid out first before designing.

       

      5.) Color Coded Tool Preset/Brush Presets---
      It would help to be able to assign a color to a brush or tool preset similar to how you do layers.

       

      6.) Texture Rotate/Scale for Pattern Stamp Tool/Brush Texture ----
      Please add a rotate and scale option for Pattern Stamp tool. You have it for clone tool. When doing texture work this tool is very helpful but so limited with what you can do with the texture. The same goes for the brush texture properties. You can scale but not rotate.

       

      7.) Re-edit Your Pattern Textures---
      It would be nice to be able to go back and change the textures

       

      8.) Pyramid Stacking----
      You can stack your windows in every way but 2 windows at the top, one at the bottom. Good for panoramic view at the bottom, two other images for reference at the top and vice versa like a pyramid.

       

      9.) Replace Brush Option---
      If you're someone who makes a lot of custom brushes this option would be a blessing. There are a few reason why but the most obvious is that you can edit a brush and just "replace" the same brush with new settings without having to delete the old one and make another brush. I cant tell you how many times I had to replace a brush by deleting it and then renaming it the same thing for my tool preset/brush list when I wish I could just rightclick that brush on the list and select "replace"

       

      10.) Mirror/Reflection Drawing---
      Draw on one side and it mirrors to the other. Super useful for design and something thats already tucked away in the 3d portion of photoshop. This should be brought to to the forefront.

       

      11.) Remember Window Position---
      If you have alot of documents open positioned a certain way, sometimes you want dont want to have to reopen all those documents and reposition them on your screen the next time you startup photoshop. Give the option to remember window position. Auto Recovery half way does this.

       

         So these are just some of the personal features that I think would really benefit the working professional concept artist/painter on the daily job. Probably the top 3 are the most important but some of these should be simple to create because they  already exist in other places within photoshop/other adobe products. Again I know not everyone may  agree with these ideas but I thank you for hearing my opinion about what should come to photoshop cc2 for the painter/concept artist in mind. 

        • 1. Re: Should adobe make another photoshop like program for painters/concept artist?
          Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

          Not going to happen, because that's not where the problem is.  The users you refer to will generally need the full feature set, and are likely to use Illustrator and InDesign.  It's the Photographers who only use Photoshop and/or Lightroom that are making the most noise, and they have a good argument because a single app license for Photoshop Extended is going to be very poor value for them.   IMO, if there is a market for a change in direction, it would be a supped up version of Elements bundled with Lightroom.  That would keep the photographers happy.  Designers, videographers, etc. will go with the full CC package and be happy to do so.  Like I said. Just my opinion.

          • 2. Re: Should adobe make another photoshop like program for painters/concept artist?
            Curt Y Level 7

            It is all about pricing.  I think that the CC should be priced to reflect the normal upgrade cycle, once every 3-5 years.  So give them the benefit of 3 years and divide the upgrade price by this, then divide by 12.  For PS in U.S. that would be 200/3 = $67 or about $6 per month. 

             

            Don't think you would have many complints about that product. 

            • 3. Re: Should adobe make another photoshop like program for painters/concept artist?
              JJMack Most Valuable Participant

              Trevor.Dennis wrote:

               

              IMO, if there is a market for a change in direction, it would be a supped up version of Elements bundled with Lightroom.  That would keep the photographers happy.

              Not so there are too many major Photoshop feature not elements.  Here just the top of the list of features and support not in elements there are also minor features the would be missed:

              Adobe has what the photographers want and have been paying for, for years Photoshop Standard. Raising the price 80% and locking the user in is what Adobe wants

               

              64-bit support (for performance) size

              Mercury Graphics Engine for blazing speed

              Full 16-bit RGB

              Creating custom Actions (scripting)

              Channels Palette

              Paths Palette

              Pen Tool (vector drawing & selections)

              Smart Objects, Filters, and Guides

              Intelligent selection & masking

              Curves

              Full Layer Groups (Sets) and Styles

              History Brush

              CMYK and Lab color models

              Color Balance and Match Color

              Blur Gallery for creating artistic blur

              Type Styles and Paragraph Styles

              Warp Transform Tool

              • 4. Re: Should adobe make another photoshop like program for painters/concept artist?
                Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

                JJ if a person needs all that then they need Photoshop, surely?

                • 5. Re: Should adobe make another photoshop like program for painters/concept artist?
                  Level 5

                  Discussing a new application is an exercise in futility at this particular point.

                   

                  The subscription model Adobe is imposing an all their clients is absurd.

                   

                  This post in the forums comments forum says it all:

                   

                  http://forums.adobe.com/message/5326587#5326587

                   

                  photofred wrote:

                   

                  This is more troubling to me:

                   

                  From their terms of service:

                   

                  6.5 Adobe may modify or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, the Services or Materials, or any portion thereof, with or without notice. You agree that Adobe shall not be liable to you or anyone else if we do so.

                   

                  So my business is completely at the mercy of Adobe.

                  No way.

                   

                  This is evil courting stupidity, for one would have to be a complete imbecile to sign on to this model.

                   

                  You [photofred] summed it up well:  NO WAY !

                  • 6. Re: Should adobe make another photoshop like program for painters/concept artist?
                    Mylenium Most Valuable Participant

                    There are alternatives but they arent as stable, dont provide the same editing possibilities as photoshop, and frankly arent as common to find inhouse at studios.

                     

                    And what tools have you tried? Also isn't the whole point of concept drawing to mimic real drawings and use overpainting, erasing, smudging etc. without ever getting lost in distracting fancies? I don't do this kind of stuff, so I don't know how it's done "the right way" but even the notion of using layers for this kind of work seems strange to me. I get your point about artistic brushes and a few other things, but what's wrong with Corel Painter, PD Paint, Mari, ArtRage and ZBrush even? Isn't it always about working with multiple tools and picking the right one for a given situation? And Trevor already made a good point: As an Adobe-ite people would use multiple tools in the suite, so it's unlikely Adobe will throw a lot of resources to implement such features just to make a certain number of users happy, which by comparison are probably just a tiny fracxtion of the whole PS user base...

                     

                    Mylenium