21 Replies Latest reply: May 25, 2013 12:46 PM by SteveH59 RSS

    Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question

    SteveH59 Community Member

      to export a movie to your computer (for later use on a Web page) according to your own size definitions?

       

      For example, I have a Web page that is expecting a movie with the following: width=275 pixels by height=240 pixels. It's important that I keep those measurements otherwise the layout of the page becomes distorted and unworkable because there is a 'knock on' effect.

       

      Therefore, I need to define the size of the movie in Elements itself (unless there's another way).

       

      At the moment, if I right-click on the movie in Windows 7 (that is, the movie I have exported from Elements 11), and select Properties, I am only able to see the size of the file in KB, MB, or whatever, and not the actual height/width dimensions.

       

      Thanks.

       

      Steve

        • 2. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
          A.T. Romano Community Member

          Steve

           

          Pixel dimensions (width and height in pixles) are the only meanful parameters here.

           

          What are the properties of the source media (frame size, frame rate - interlaced or progressive, aspect ratio, etc) for these 275 x 240 pixel movies that you want to display on your web site?

           

          The key is to get them into the Premiere Elements 11 project so that they display without black borders in the Edit Mode Monitor space for editing purposes.

           

          Once we get that accomplished, then you can set your export settings to include the frame size that you want along with other required settings. Have you selected a specific export type yet? Please supply the requested information. With that information I will offer a plan for the task.

           

          Thanks.

           

          ATR

          • 3. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
            SteveH59 Community Member

            Hello AT Romano

             

            Thanks for getting back to me.

             

            The code that works for me with one movie looks like this:

             

            <object type="video/x-ms-wmv" data="slowRace.wmv" width="275" height="240">
            <param name="autostart" value="0">
            <param name="uiMode" value="full">
            <param name="autosize" value="1">
            <param name="playcount" value="1">
            <param name="controls" value="1">
            <param name="ShowStatusBar" value="True">

             

             

            <video id="movie" src="slowRace.mp4" width=275 height=240 preload=none></video>
            <video id="movie1" src="slowRace.swf" width=275 height=240 preload=none></video>
            <video id="movie2" src="slowRace.ogv" width=275 height=240 preload=none></video>
            <video id="movie3" src="slowRace.webm" width=275 height=240 preload=none></video>
              <embed type="application/x-mplayer2" src="goldfish1.wmv" width="275" height="240" autostart="true" controls="true"
              pluginspage="http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/">
              </object>

             

            I will probably use swf files - I was just playing around with the .wmv file format - but I know that the above works on my Web page. So, instead of the Windows references in this code, I would be using 'application/x-shockwave-flash' and '

            pluginspage="http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/">

             

            Is that what you mean?

             

            Thanks again.

             

            Steve

            • 4. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
              SteveH59 Community Member

              Thanks John T Smith

               

              I'll check the link out.

               

              Cheers

               

              Steve

              • 5. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                A.T. Romano Community Member

                SteveH59

                 

                What I was after were details of what you are actually going to import into Premiere Elements for editing so that you can get a file to upload to your web site. We can go for a .wmv export file if you want, but first I wanted to get the source into the program in an appropriate workspace for editing.

                 

                For your source...

                Frame Size

                Frame Rate

                interlaced or progressive

                Pixel Aspect Ratio

                 

                Thanks.

                 

                ATR

                ..

                • 6. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                  SteveH59 Community Member

                  slowRaceProperties.jpg

                   

                  Hello ATR

                   

                  These are the properties of the .wmv file I mention above.

                   

                  These are the properties I can see. The Pixel Aspect Ratio is 1.0. I am not sure about 'interlaced or progressive'.

                   

                  Basically, this is a clip from YouTube that I have applied a slow motion and audio effect to of my own - as I say, I am just experimenting with transitions and effects in Elements 11 and uploading them to a Web page.

                   

                  Do you mean that once I have downloaded or captured a file I can apply effects/transitions to, I can predetermine in Elements 11 the various dimensions (height, etc) before working on it in Elements 11? I wouldn't know how to do that.

                   

                  Thanks again.

                   

                  Steve

                  • 7. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                    A.T. Romano Community Member

                    Steve

                     

                    For Premiere Elements (any version) that is considered an atypical frame size (360 x 264 pixels) and atypical frame rate (12 frames per second). Nonetheless, I will be back to your thread within the next two hours with something for you to try for your to achieve your goal.

                     

                    To be continued...

                     

                    ATR

                    • 9. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                      A.T. Romano Community Member

                      SteveH59

                       

                      The plan

                       

                      Open Premiere Elements 11 Windows and go to File Menu/New/Project.

                      In the New Project Dialog that opens set for:

                      NTSC DV Standard

                      Before clicking OK to exit the New Project dialog, put a check mark next to "Force Selected Project Settings on this Project"

                      Then with Add Media, browse to and select your 360 x 264 pixels @ 12 frames per second source. It will go into Project Assets. From there you drag the clip to the Timeline Expert View.

                       

                      Edit if you want or else continue to your choice for export. In this example, I am going to describe one with the specific criteria that you gave.

                       

                      Publish+Share

                      Computer

                      Windows Media

                      From Presets, select "720 x 480 4:3 29,97"

                      Then go to the Advanced Button/Video Tab where we will go to work customizing the export preset. The suggested settings are:

                       

                      SuggestSettings.JPG

                       

                      This will give you a Windows Media Video 9.wmv 274 x 240 pixels @ 12 progressive frames per second. I had to make the width 274 instead of 275 since it had to be a multiple of 2.

                       

                      This is just one example according to your specifications. There are many other possibilties. We can discuss other choices if this one is satisfactory and you want to explore others..

                       

                      Please update us on your progress when you get a chance.

                       

                      Thanks.

                       

                      ATR

                      • 10. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                        SteveH59 Community Member

                        Hello ATR

                         

                        I have followed you as far as here:

                         

                        Open Premiere Elements 11 Windows and go to File Menu/New/Project.

                        In the New Project Dialog that opens set for:

                        NTSC DV Standard

                        Before clicking OK to exit the New Project dialog, put a check mark next to "Force Selected Project Settings on this Project"

                        Then with Add Media, browse to and select your 360 x 264 pixels @ 12 frames per second source. It will go into Project Assets. From there you drag the clip to the Timeline Expert View.

                         

                        Edit if you want or else continue to your choice for export. In this example, I am going to describe one with the specific criteria that you gave.

                         

                        Publish+Share

                        Computer  

                         

                        Now, when I go to Computer, I do not see Windows Media.

                         

                        First I converted from PAL to NTSC:

                         

                        NTSC_image.jpg

                         

                        Then, when I got to Publish + Share | Computer, this is what I see:

                         

                        Play on PC.jpg

                        As you can see, there is no  Windows Media Video 9.wmv 274 x 240 pixels @ 12 progressive frames per second in that list.

                         

                        That's where I am up to.

                         

                        Steve

                        • 11. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                          A.T. Romano Community Member

                          Steve,

                           

                          It happens to many.

                           

                          You are in Publish+Share/Computer/MPEG, not Publish+Share/Computer/Windows Media. There is more after Adobe Flash Video, MPEG, and AVCHD, You need to scroll down to the rest.

                           

                          WMV.jpg

                           

                          The lineup includes:

                          Adobe Flash Video

                          MPEG

                          AVCHD

                          AVI

                          Windows Media

                          QuickTime

                          Image

                          Audio

                          (Note: Do not forget to install the latest version of QuickTime on your computer with Premiere Elements.)

                           

                          Thanks.

                           

                          ATR

                          • 12. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                            SteveH59 Community Member

                            Hello again ATR

                             

                            I didn't notice that scrollbar, thanks.

                             

                            I have almost mirrored what you have but my Export Settings are not quite the same as yours (red arrows):

                             

                            export_settings.jpg

                            You have been a magnificent help and certainly pointed me in the right direction for which I am grateful.

                             

                            I will explore this again tomorrow (4.50am here) to see if I can get what you have shown me.

                             

                            Many thanks again for all your help and patience (I have saved these pages).

                             

                            Cheers

                             

                            Steve

                            • 13. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                              A.T. Romano Community Member

                              Steve

                               

                              Please refer back to my screenshot in post #9.

                               

                              Note that in this case there are 3 tabs under that Advanced Button

                              Audience

                              Video

                              Audio

                               

                              Based on your screenshot in post #12, you are in the Audience, not the Video Tab. You want to be in the Video Tab.

                               

                              I will be signing off now also. It is after midnight where I am. I will check in the light of day for further development with your project.

                               

                              Thanks for the follow ups and staying with the troubleshooting.

                               

                              ATR

                              • 14. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                                SteveH59 Community Member

                                Hello ATR

                                 

                                It's ME who should thank YOU.

                                 

                                I think I have finally got there!

                                 

                                Final_AdobeForum.jpg

                                 

                                The only difference is that I have 5MB as the estimated file size.

                                 

                                You have been a great help and I have learnt a lot.

                                 

                                Steve

                                • 15. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                                  A.T. Romano Community Member

                                  Steve

                                   

                                  One of the factors that influences file size is the Bitrate setting.

                                   

                                  Note that you left the Bitrate at 1500 Kbps (kilobits per second). For the example, I used 3000 Kbps. It looks like my Bitrate setting is not shown in the screenshot that I posted for the suggested settings. I thought that I had included all of the bottom portion of the export settings dialog. Sorry about that.

                                  The genealization is higher Bitrate, higher quality, but larger file size. And, lower Bitrate, less quality, and smaller file size.

                                  The goal in this regard is to find the compromise between quality and file size.

                                   

                                  Thanks for giving the suggestions a try.

                                   

                                  ATR

                                  • 16. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                                    SteveH59 Community Member

                                    Hello ATR

                                     

                                    Thanks for your explanation.

                                     

                                    Today I will hopefully replicate what I did last night - carefully following what you have written - and will post the final result later!

                                     

                                    Thanks

                                     

                                    Steve

                                    • 17. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                                      SteveH59 Community Member

                                      Hello ATR

                                       

                                      A different movie (just to experiment), but still a .wmv file.

                                       

                                      I changed the settings to PAL DV Standard 48kHz because I think that's the default here (UK).

                                       

                                      Standard PAL video (4.3 interlaced); 25 frames/sec; Pixel Aspect Ratio: D1/DV PAL (1.0940); Frame size: 720h 576v (1.0940).

                                       

                                      I ticked (checked) the 'Force Selected Project Settings on this Project' and clicked OK.

                                       

                                      Then I imported the video to the Expert Timeline, edited it, and the clicked Publish+Share | Computer | Windows Media and under Presets, I selected 720 x 480 4:3 29,97. Then to the Advanced Button where the following appeared:

                                       

                                      Colour_test_Adobe_forum.jpg

                                      Here I changed a couple of settings to meet my HTML video 'container' height/width dimensions which are width="275" height="240":


                                      So, in Elements 'Export Settings', I changed the Frame height to 240px locked to a width of 360px (I know the movie will be longer than my HTML container - I am not sure what the Web site visitor will see in that case).

                                       

                                      Then I changed the frame rate to 25 (which is the original rate) and the Pixel Aspect Ratio to D1/DV PAL (1.0940) (which is what I had set it in above). I left everything else the same but changed the bitrate to 3000 as you have done (the file grew from 10MB to 18MB).

                                       

                                       

                                      final_screenFORUM.jpg

                                      Thanks.

                                       

                                      Steve

                                      • 18. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                                        A.T. Romano Community Member

                                        Steve,

                                         

                                        Thanks for the follow up.

                                         

                                        Please change the pixel aspect ratio to square pixels. That way you will then get the frame size that you used with any correction factor applied to it.

                                         

                                        You can lower the bitrate if the file size is too large for your purposes, but the quality most likely will go down. In that type of situation, you will need to find a compromise between your file size and quality by adjusting the bitrate accordingly.

                                         

                                        Please let us know if you are OK with the latest suggestions on what you just posted.

                                         

                                        Thanks.

                                         

                                        ATR

                                        • 19. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                                          SteveH59 Community Member

                                          Hello ATR

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                          PixelAspect.jpg

                                           

                                          I have managed to change the Pixel Aspect to 'square' and compromised on 2100 bitrate.

                                           

                                          Yes, I am fine with your suggestions - I am not in a position to argue! Hehehehe.

                                           

                                          What I need to do is experiment with other formats and sizes and compromises and fine one that is appropriate for a Web page. The final outcome of this particular file is not too important - although I am happy with it. The most important thing is the method that you have showed me and that I can apply it to other files.

                                           

                                          I will need to read up on Pixel Aspects and Average Video Bitrate, but you have pointed to their importance and I am grateful to you.

                                           

                                          Thank you again for all you have done.

                                           

                                          I have saved our discussion in my Favourites.

                                           

                                          Steve

                                          • 20. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                                            A.T. Romano Community Member

                                            Steve

                                             

                                            Thanks.

                                             

                                            Do not hesitate to ask questions that evolve from your further exploration and experimenation with the suggested workflow.

                                             

                                            ATR

                                            • 21. Re: Is it possible in Elements 11 - movie height/width question
                                              SteveH59 Community Member

                                              Thanks ATR

                                               

                                              You have been incredibly helpful.

                                               

                                              Thanks a million.

                                               

                                              Steve