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    Adobe CS7

    animationlife Community Member

      I am currently using the Master collection CS5, and I am thinking to upgrade to CS6 or CS6.5 the current versions.

      I heard Adobe is  coming up with  CS7...  Is it going to be Master Collection CS7 ?

      Also I heard you have to pay a monthly fee..  Is that true ?

      Please let me know

      Thanks

      Simon..

        • 1. Re: Adobe CS7
          station_two Community Member

          There will never be a CS7.  It will be called Photoshop 14.x and will be released as Photoshop CC on June 17.

           

          Yes, it will be by subscription only and you lose all rights to the license if you ever discontinue the mothly rental fee payments,  At the end you have nothing.

           

          CS6 will continue to be sold as the only perpetual license, as it is now.  No updates or bg fixes.  At one point it won't work with newer operating systems.

           

          Welcome to the world of the Adobe monopoly. 

          • 2. Re: Adobe CS7
            animationlife Community Member

            Why are they doing this ?

            • 3. Re: Adobe CS7
              station_two Community Member

              Because they can.

               

              They'll make a lot more money.

               

              As you can gather, we area all users like you in these forums.

               

              Do a forum and a Google search; this topic has been rehashed ad nauseam.

               

              In short, if we are not the type of user to whom this subscription model appeals, Adobe doesn't want us as customers in the future.  Period.

              • 4. Re: Adobe CS7
                the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                Station_Two has covered the high points (or maybe "low points") of the future of Adobe software, Ps included.

                 

                Ps CS 6 is the end of the line. Adobe stopped shipping boxes with physical media a while back. They were advertising that they would continue to provide the CS 6 programs via download, but I have not seen a cut-off date for that.

                 

                The CS 6 programs are still available, but in limited quantities. One user in the Premiere Pro Forum just bought a boxed version of CS 6 Production Premium (Ps, AI, PrPro, After Effects, etc.) from B&H Photo, and it was one of last boxes that they had.

                 

                As for upgrades, along with the upgrade path (which versions one can upgrade FROM - this changed recently), one might find a few of those available too, but they need to check that they have a qualifying product - remember, that just changed.

                 

                I do not know if Adobe is still selling upgrades to their CS 6 programs via download, but again, and if they are, I would act quickly, as EVERYTHING will be CC (Creative Cloud) licensing very soon - June 17th has been announced. I would assume that at that time, Adobe will completely discontinue everything related to CS 6 programs.

                 

                Good luck,

                 

                Hunt

                • 5. Re: Adobe CS7
                  Jeff Schewe Community Member

                  Bill Hunt wrote:

                   

                  I do not know if Adobe is still selling upgrades to their CS 6 programs via download, but again, and if they are, I would act quickly, as EVERYTHING will be CC (Creative Cloud) licensing very soon - June 17th has been announced. I would assume that at that time, Adobe will completely discontinue everything related to CS 6 programs.

                   

                  Bad info Hunt...Adobe has (repeatably) stated that while there will be no further upgrades to CS6 other than bug fixes and OS required mantainance updates, all of the CS6 products will contintue to be sold and supported for the forseeable future.

                   

                  It's only CC products that will be getting new features into the future.

                  • 6. Re: Adobe CS7
                    the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                    Jeff,

                     

                    Thank you for the correction. So it is ONLY the boxed physical media, that will no longer be available, and that the download versions (full, or upgrade), will continue to be sold, even after the full release of the CC licensing?

                     

                    Do you happen to have a link to that statement?

                     

                    Thanks,

                     

                    Hunt

                    • 7. Re: Adobe CS7
                      station_two Community Member

                      I imagine even the DVD in the box will be available from resellers as long as they have any left in stock.

                       

                      However, the concern about PhotoshopCS6 in the future remains that it may not be able to open files created in later CC versions without some alteration or discarding of some  data.

                       

                      Jeff is right, of course, I'm just not in a position to hunt down a link for you right now.  I still owe Jeff a list of hard-to-see screenshots of dark-interface Photoshop windows in his book, which I have begun compiling as requested.

                       

                      Message was edited by: station_two

                      • 8. Re: Adobe CS7
                        John Waller CommunityMVP

                        Bill Hunt wrote

                         

                        download versions (full, or upgrade), will continue to be sold, even after the full release of the CC licensing?

                         

                        Do you happen to have a link to that statement?

                        Hi Bill,

                         

                        See http://www.adobe.com/products/cs6.html

                        "While Adobe Creative Suite® 6 products will continue to be available for purchase, Adobe has no plans for future releases of Creative Suite or other CS products."

                         

                        http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html

                         

                        For how long will Adobe continue to sell Creative Suite 6?

                        We plan to sell Creative Suite 6 for use on supported platforms indefinitely. To learn more visit: http://www.adobe.com/products/cs6.html

                        • 9. Re: Adobe CS7
                          Noel Carboni Community Member

                          station_two wrote:

                           


                          CS6 will continue to be sold as the only perpetual license, as it is now.  No updates or b[u]g fixes.

                           

                          I don't think you can say that with authority.  Oops, I see Jeff already has corrected you.

                           

                          -Noel

                          • 10. Re: Adobe CS7
                            station_two Community Member

                            Far from me to pretend to be an authority.

                             

                            Besides, nobody "corrected" me.  Jeff wrote of bug fixes—please construe my "bg" typo as big fixes. 

                            • 11. Re: Adobe CS7
                              444333222111 Community Member

                              I just want my software I dont want the cloud. Microsoft has a cloud for its office products but it gives clients a choice. Adobe is we dont care what you think its my way or the highway. Im looking for alternatives. Hey Corel is welcoming CS users http://www.corel.com/corel/pages/index.jsp?pgid=14900014

                               

                              At first I thought I was the only one going mental on there putting a gun to my head and saying its this or walk. Im glad to see there are others that have concerns and the community is looking at picking a good alternative to this highway robbery.

                               

                              earl

                              • 12. Re: Adobe CS7
                                animationlife Community Member

                                Mr. Hunt.

                                 

                                I am a little confuse... If I want to purchase CS6, I have to purchase the Master collection, Because I also use other Adobe products such as

                                PrPro, After Effects and others. If there will no Boxed product (Downloadable Only) then what is the problem with that ?

                                 

                                I heard Adobe CC is going to be $19.99 a month am I correct ?

                                What If I need the "Master  Collections CC" or "Creative Suite CC Collections", How much that will be ?

                                Thanks

                                • 13. Re: Adobe CS7
                                  Jeff Schewe Community Member

                                  Photoshop CC (only) is $19.99/month (available for 1 year based on a year subscription at a special of $9.99/month).

                                   

                                  The full suite of apps for all of the CC is $49.99

                                  (CS special price of $29.99 for 1 year for CS3, 4, 5/5.5 $19.99 for CS6 users).

                                   

                                  If you want further info, see here.

                                  • 14. Re: Adobe CS7
                                    animationlife Community Member

                                    Mr.Jeff

                                     

                                    So If I want the whole Suite since I am a CS5 user, I have to pay $29.99, and that is Downloadable only no box am I correct ?

                                    What If I want the full year subscription , is it going to be cheaper than $29.99 ?

                                    So Technically, we are Leasing the software rather than Own it ?

                                    • 15. Re: Adobe CS7
                                      Noel Carboni Community Member

                                      Technically you have never owned the software.  You have paid to be granted rights to use it (see the End User License Agreement, or EULA for short).  In the past, those rights to use the software extended into the future indefinitely.  With the cloud subscription they do not.

                                       

                                      Practically, it means that if you join the Creative Cloud, then ultimately stop the subscription, you will no longer have the use of the software, even though you may have assets (data files) only it can read - unless of course you join again.

                                       

                                      FYI, I believe the "upgrade special monthly pricing" is for the first year only.

                                       

                                      -Noel

                                      • 16. Re: Adobe CS7
                                        station_two Community Member

                                        animationlife wrote:

                                         

                                        Mr.Jeff

                                         

                                        So If I want the whole Suite since I am a CS5 user, I have to pay $29.99, and that is Downloadable only no box am I correct ?…

                                         

                                        Yes, no box.  A subscription is just that: a subscription that expires when the payments stop.  The End.

                                         

                                         

                                        animationlife wrote:

                                         

                                        …What If I want the full year subscription , is it going to be cheaper than $29.99 ?

                                         

                                        No, that is the monthly price for the suite if you commit for a whole year, and that price is for just the first year.  It goes to $49.99 per month after that, and after the second year it can go as high as Adobe wants.

                                         

                                         

                                        animationlife wrote:

                                         

                                        …So Technically, we are Leasing the software… ?

                                         

                                        Not just "technically", but factually, as per contract, and legally.

                                        • 17. Re: Adobe CS7
                                          animationlife Community Member

                                          Ok, It is $29.99 a Month. And release date is June 17. So, what If you purchase it before June 17th, are you going to miss special updates or plug-ins?

                                           

                                          Is it better to purchase on or after June 17th ?

                                           

                                          The cloud storage,,, is it an extra storage for your files on the server ?

                                           

                                          What if you don't want to put your files in the server, you want to keep them In your Hard Drive only.

                                          Thanks...

                                          • 18. Re: Adobe CS7
                                            John Waller CommunityMVP

                                            animationlife wrote:

                                             

                                            Ok, It is $29.99 a Month. And release date is June 17. So, what If you purchase it before June 17th, are you going to miss special updates or plug-ins?

                                             

                                            Is it better to purchase on or after June 17th ?

                                            Makes no difference other than your Cloud membership starts earlier.

                                             

                                            Join before June 17 and you'll get all current Cloud software which is still version CS6. You can then upgrade to version CC for free as part of your membership.

                                             

                                            Join after June 17 and you'll get all current Cloud software which by then will be version CC.

                                             

                                             

                                            The cloud storage,,, is it an extra storage for your files on the server ?

                                            Yes, optional extra storage which is included with your Cloud membership. Use it or don't use it, it's up to you.

                                             

                                             

                                            What if you don't want to put your files in the server, you want to keep them In your Hard Drive only.

                                            It's totally up to you where you store your files. No different to the normal, perpetually licensed software. They're your files to store wherever you want to store them.

                                             

                                            I save mine to my hard drive. I also have Cloud storage available to me. It's up to me if I want to use all of it, some of it or none of it.

                                            • 19. Re: Adobe CS7
                                              JB17932 Community Member

                                              While we did not own all the rights to the software, when we purchased a full licensed copy we had some rights to our copy, and could modify it for personal use.  We also had control over what was run, and when.  Now with this new nickle and dime scheme, we have nothing.  How many processes will now be running in a persistent background state?  How many ports will have to be opened on your system, and will they be static or dynamic (aka how big of a secuirty hole will this be)?  With the US and China representing 70%+ of all port sniffing activity, more open ports on a permanent basis means less security.  If you work in an industrial setting where you have a network admin handling it for you, then you do not have much to worry about (the admin does).  If you are a freelancer, well, perhaps Adobe will offer some security in the future.  If you get hacked through their Cloud*, they will be liable for damages.  But what happens when the DDoS attacks start on their Cloud?  Do subscribers get refunds for downtime?  I doubt it.

                                               

                                              The claims that this is also cheaper are so laughable as to make you wonder if they did not pull a M$ Xbox-One, and just kneecap themselves.  Most of us did not upgrade yearly, and that is what they are basing their claim of being cheaper on.  Once that introductory pricing is over, the yearly cost is going to be more.  Once they have 51% of current owners switched over to thier cloud, they will almost certainly hike the price far in excess of the rate of inflation on a yearly basis.  So CS6 is it for the forseeable future.  Perhaps in two more years they will have gone the way of M$ and retracted their stand on controlling their customers.  I am not going to hold my breath though.

                                               

                                              As for it not handling file type/versions - it is possible but if Adobe does that I am sure other software packages will either be able to convert the files or it might be worth grabbing something from Corel just to act as a bridge.  It might be a bit of a pain, but it is far better than the major pain subscription is.

                                               

                                              EULAs

                                              Half of the clauses in most EULAs are non-enforceable.  Contract law is different in every State and Country.  The one thing they all share is that any contract that proposes to invalidate a fundamental right as established by a higher authority, such as State or Federal Law (e.g. The Consitution), is automatically invalid and can be ignored in it's entirity (that clause of the contract, not the entire contract).  Many companies try to convince us that they own the rights to our DNA with their legalese-ridden End Looser Agreements, but if you know the laws of where you live, you will likely find that only the ones preventing illegal actions (selling copies or reverse engineering) are enforceable.  The rest can be summarily ignored.  There are even some Countries that are so fed-up with EULA nonesense they have ruled them completely unenforceable, as technically, they do not even constitute a proper contract.  A click is not a signature, they are not dated, witnessed, or counter-signed.  You also have no ability to modify the contract and submit back, and the basic rule of reciprocality, where both benefit from the agreement is usually ignored with the company claiming all the protection and benefits ('if our software burns your house down, it is not our fault').  Most companies also 'reserve the right to modify the EULA whenever they want' without even notifying you, as if you should visit that webpage every day just to make sure nothing changed.  Any modified clause that is not at least initialized by you is unenforcable and invalidates the original clause as well, unless it was in your favour and then your copy of the contract stands as the legally binding version.  It would be like your car delership calling to tell you they just retroactively cut their lifetime roadside assistance from your contract and that there is nothing you can do about it.  It will be nice when our legal system gets tired of EULA nonesense and tosses them en-masse too.  Most of the claims in an EULA fall under the standards of the Criminial Codes anyway, so it is just another attempt to convince you that the company in question has power over your purchase, when they do not. 

                                               

                                              In the subscription case, they do however, so pay special attention and save a copy of the original EULA that you click to accept, as that is the only legally binding version as that is the only one they could prove that you read.  If they do force updated EULAs for you to re-click (what they consider signing), and you see something you do not like, they you can terminate your contract with no penalty as they changed the contract (unless your Country has a really strange legal system).  If you do accept it again, then make sure to save a copy the new version.  Adobe is one of the better companies, and I would not expect them to try some of the more laughable clauses that I have seen in past EULAs from other companies ('we are not responsible if our software does not function as stated' etc.).

                                               

                                              *References

                                              http://cloudtimes.org/2013/02/23/hacked-through-the-clouds/

                                              http://cloudtimes.org/2013/02/16/fears-of-government-and-legal-intervention-slows-cloud-ad option/

                                              • 20. Re: Adobe CS7
                                                RobertoBlake Community Member

                                                Adobe is doing this more reasons than money. But most people don't understand logistics at a certain level and can't see or value a point of view that doesn't directly impact them for better or for worse. That being said there are several advantages to the Creative Cloud model, but again if people decided "Well that doesn't apply to me, or I don't care about any of that" there is nothing to be done about their opinion, but that doesn't change the merits of what is being done, or the value it has to the rest of the user base or the industry.

                                                • 21. Re: Adobe CS7
                                                  JJMack CommunityMVP

                                                  JB17932 wrote:

                                                   

                                                  Adobe is one of the better companies, and I would not expect them to try some of the more laughable clauses that I have seen in past EULAs from other companies ('we are not responsible if our software does not function as stated' etc.).

                                                   

                                                  Your humor is not funny to me.  What I see from Adobe look like this http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5408 more pathetic then laughable... Only the last exclusion parts may help some in some states.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES: YOU AGREE THAT ADOBE HAS MADE NO EXPRESS WARRANTIES TO YOU REGARDING THE SOFTWARE AND THAT THE SOFTWARE IS BEING PROVIDED TO YOU "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND. ADOBE DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THE SOFTWARE; EXPRESS OR IMPLIED; INCLUDING; WITHOUT LIMITATION; ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE; MERCHANTABILITY; MERCHANTABLE QUALITY OR NONINFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS. Some states or jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion of implied warranties; so the above limitations may not apply to you.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  LIMIT OF LIABILITY: IN NO EVENT WILL ADOBE BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY LOSS OF USE; INTERRUPTION OF BUSINESS; OR ANY DIRECT; INDIRECT; SPECIAL; INCIDENTAL; OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OF ANY KIND (INCLUDING LOST PROFITS) REGARDLESS OF THE FORM OF ACTION WHETHER IN CONTRACT; TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE); STRICT PRODUCT LIABILITY OR OTHERWISE; EVEN IF ADOBE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. Some states or jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damages; so the above limitation or exclusion may not apply to you.

                                                  • 22. Re: Adobe CS7
                                                    RobertoBlake Community Member

                                                    The thing is this is no longer "theorhetical". Some of us myself included have been on the subscription model for over a year without any negative changes in our workflow or standards.

                                                     

                                                    My personal experience with the subscription model and the new CC version of the software has been a positive one. The software performance has been good, has functioned as intended, and since I pay my bill I don't have to worry about losing access to my files, (if you have an old boxed version, keeping that license and just getting a new license for CC subscription actually solves all your problems and gives you the best of both worlds and allows you to feel secure. There is also the added benefit of being able to put the software on another machine)

                                                    • 23. Re: Adobe CS7
                                                      JJMack CommunityMVP

                                                      So far your CC use has been a positive experience. Your currently happy and pleased. All I can write is just you wait Henry Higgins just you wait.  CC has not been positive for all.  CC is also the road of no return,  As CC evolves so will what you develop for it.  Your assets: actions, script, templates, plug-ins and layer image files will not be compatible with Photoshop CS6.  If you stop paying many of your assets will become unusable.  There is no legitimate way out for I refuse to use pirated software to be able to use my assets. Adobe terms of use for CC are not acceptable for many Photoshop users. CC is not a valid option for many its grayed out and not an available option.

                                                      • 24. Re: Adobe CS7
                                                        RobertoBlake Community Member

                                                        This is probably the main crux and divide within the community over this. I have long speculated that it's mostly Photoshop or rather Photshop standalone users that have an issue with Creative Cloud. I am a Suite User and most recently (as of the last few years) a Master Collection User. I work with Photoshop, but also mostly InDesign, After Effects and Premiere. Which means that me and users like me already know and are used to the majority of those programs features not being backwards compatible from the start, which means to work with our clients and vendors we've always had to work on the lastest version.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        This is something that After Effects, InDesign, Flash etc, users have known and been used to for years since I would say probably CS3 (the first truly modern incarnation of Creative Suite), so for us this is not a big deal but something unlike the Photoshop users we've simply gotten used to and come to except and find work arounds for.

                                                         

                                                        As for the if you stop paying for it, many of us already have additional plugins or software or services when it comes to video or 3D models etc that we have to pay for regularly so again we are used to this (not to mention you obviously can't keep using your phone or lights if you don't pay the bill, so not following the real issue here).

                                                         

                                                        Most of the agencies and freelancers I know prepay for the year for Creative Cloud, so again not seeing the real issue here. A $600/yr business expense is negliligible in the creative services industry.

                                                         

                                                        Photoshop Standalone users probably should just stick with Photoshop CS6 box product which is still available or which ever version they are on if they are comfortable with the feature set.

                                                         

                                                        But industry wise the single application user market is shrinking and the demanad for people capable of designing across various media and platforms is growing, as is the demand for people in this role. That is why Creative Cloud was a smart business decision, both for Adobe and the modern marketplace. The displacement of some existing users is bound to happen. It is comparible to people who don't want to move to smartphones because phones are for calling people and wanting a new non-smartphone but finding that provider no longer carries or makes them, so they switch providers

                                                         

                                                        Put another way, its the difference between people on no contract phones who can't get upgrade discounts etc, vs people who get added value on a contract plan. Not choosing to accept the business model does have some limiations but nobody is truly forcing your hand. A business is not obligated to give you choices, nor are the obligigated to value existing customer wishes (which may represent less of their income pipeline) over untapped customers and marketshare, business can't survive by doing this.

                                                         

                                                        In my opinion the value added via CC is worth the trade off in terms of the capabilities that are opened up by it. Again most of the complaints or fears/limitations are something that other product users outside of Photoshop have already been dealing with successfully for years.

                                                        • 25. Re: Adobe CS7
                                                          JJMack CommunityMVP

                                                          RobertoBlake wrote:

                                                           

                                                          But industry wise the single application user market is shrinking and the demanad for people capable of designing across various media and platforms is growing, as is the demand for people in this role. That is why Creative Cloud was a smart business decision, both for Adobe and the modern marketplace.

                                                          Users use applications the feel they need and there are many more computer user then there are developer.  Most users do not use suites of application Developer use these. Many photoshop users are not developers.  Therfore the single application market is bigger then the application suite market.   Users that only use Adobe Photoshop program agree that the Creative Cloud Suite is great deal for the suite users and help Adobe smooth out there cash flow. Business after all is about money.

                                                           

                                                          However all is not roses when it come to the creative cloud.   Before the cloud adobe put in place a new policy that would require all single application users to buy every upgrade to a product or pay full price for a licence for every version a user want to use.

                                                           

                                                          With the creative cloud announcement Adobe stopped selling new product. New products are now lease only no option to buy. While the suite user cost was not really impacted.  Adobe chose to discontinue Photoshop standard addition.  Adobe Creative Cloud Suit includes Photoshop Extended  and Adobe offers a single application lease for it.  That is 80% higher cost then the users were paying for Photoshop standard. The product Photoshop users want.   Though  Photoshop Standard has been discontinued.  Adobe has not completely abandoned their Photoshop users. Adobe will continue to market their old CS6 Product.  You can still licence Photoshop CS6 Standard. Adobe however does not maintain or fix old products.  They have not fixed many bugs in current products  for years,

                                                           

                                                          There are other problems with CC. Your at the mercy of Adobe they can add bugs at anytime they make no warranty about application working correctly. Adobe can change anything at any time. I could never agree to Adobe CC Terms of use  even if Adobe reduced the cost of a single application lease to what Photoshop Standard cost were going to be around $10 a month based on a 18 month development cycle and a $200 upgrade cost...

                                                          • 26. Re: Adobe CS7
                                                            uhanepono Community Member

                                                            NO you can still get the disk too.

                                                             

                                                            You can get it directly from adobe or a reseller.

                                                             

                                                            See the boycott CC (sic) thread to get the link or post here if you can't find it there (or the thread).

                                                            • 27. Re: Adobe CS7
                                                              Mal1 Community Member

                                                              I was told in December that I was due a refund - never got it so went on live chat tonight and was told again that it would be 2 - 3 days and a confirmation e mail will come to me in 10 - 15 min.  Still not arrived after over 40 minutes of waiting. No faith at all in Adobe staff

                                                              • 28. Re: Adobe CS7
                                                                Ricky-T Community Member

                                                                Late to the party, but never knew CC actually completely overtook CS... I figured CS7 would be coming out this year or so for the next batch of preceptual licenses for the software. The company I work for does work for the MOD are our security stops us from being connected to the internet in the production place. Guess we stay with CS6 for a while longer then.

                                                                • 29. Re: Adobe CS7
                                                                  csuebele CommunityMVP

                                                                  @Ricky-T  There are options for large enterprises to customize CC so that it fits within your security guidelines.  There is a app packager that allows your IT folks to load just what they want to have loaded on your computers.  We're also very slow in adopting this, as our company moves like a giant freighter, but there are things in place for companies with restrictive work environments - including no internet access.

                                                                  • 30. Re: Adobe CS7
                                                                    ssprengel CommunityMVP

                                                                    Your company could probably add a proxy-server or firewall rules to allow CC to connect to what it needs to:

                                                                     

                                                                    http://helpx.adobe.com/edge-animate/kb/edge-animate-proxy-issues.html

                                                                     

                                                                    http://forums.adobe.com/message/5516569#5516569