You will not be happy with that CPU... you need an i7-3770k to "effectively" edit DSLR/AVCHD video
I have seen that expressed before... is that because of the lack of hyper-threading on the 3570K?
And. if you don't mind... I am not clear on what areas the 3570K falls short processing dslr stuff, not on benchmarks, but in actual use? (render times/playback in the editor/applying effects)... just curious where the difference shows up in the editing experience?
I have never used an i5 so have no personal knowledge... only what I have read here, which is that an i7 is required to decode those "CPU intensive" codecs for effective editing
Just about everywhere where the CPU is used. Playing back, previewing, exporting, multi-cam edits, applying effects. The degree to which that is obvious depends on the rest of the components.
Take a 4 cylinder 1.6 liter car engine versus a 8 cylinder 4.0 liter engine. You will only notice a difference if you are not in a severe traffic jam and when the gearbox and brakes are designed for that specific engine. The 8 cylinder engine will not help at all if the gearbox is from a 40 year old Beetle with its 34 HP engine, and the same for the brakes.
Thanks for the replies guys!
This is what I am leaning toward, considering the recommendations:
- i7-3770K ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501 )
- MSI Z77-G45 MOBO SLI ready ( http://www.frys.com/product/6980137 )
- G.Skill Ripjaw 16GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568 )
- GTX 660 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127699 )
Which after various rebates/memorial day promos, comes in at $717 (incl shipping)... so, close enough to budget... BUT...
...do you think that would be worth it, or a little bit more gets a marked increase in performance (not to shave seconds, but minutes) ???
ps: You guys must get tired of the less-experienced (moi) asking about how to get something for nothing... so I appreciate your experienced input about how to get adequate on a budget.
That would be way faster than your current setup. You should definitely get a good cpu cooler too and plan on overclocking your 3770k at least a bit. The Cooler Master 212 EVO can be had for under $30.
- MSI Z77A-G45 MOBO
- Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB 1600 (one stick was free with the MOBO)
- MSI GTX-660 2GB
- CoolerMaster GeminII S524 CPU cooler
And it actually came in just under the $700 max budget (with additional promos) so that's awesome!
Now, I hope it is all compatible and will indeed speed up my editing workflow measurably... I will certainly get back on the forum if not
Additionally, I used PartsPicker and added the rest of the componets I already have: 1TB & 500GB WD HDDs/128GB SSD/Antec 500W tower/optical drive (all of which I know are not ideal for a full-time video editor, but hopefully a good start for someone potentially working in that direction) and it all came in just over $1100.
Adding a monitor (decent quality/IPS, 24"-27") and wireless keyboard and mouse, this whole system would run around $1500-$1700 complete... in my relativily inexperienced, yet fairly researched opinion, that doesn't seem so bad... proof is in the product though, so, I will see!
Thanks Again for the guidance!
One remark: Try to exchange the Gemini II CPU cooler for the Hyper 212 EVO. It is more efficient, cools better and gives you more headroom for overclocking.
Regardless of how much you spend -- or did spend -- you may find the editing of AVCHD footage unsatisfactory on PPro. If you demand instant time-line response, without lags, pauses and stutters, you're likely to be disappointed.
Why almost nobody ever mentions this inconvenient fact, or claims he never sees it, only to return a few weeks later and explain he was thinking of a completely different codec when he made his first claim, I'll never understand, but that's another day....
Fortunately, there are other NLE's in the world, so if this one doesn't do the job, I will get one that does...
...right now though, at $9/mo, this one is the best deal for me... and if it is a little laggy, that's not so bad, but if too laggy with AVCHD, then I guess I will make transcoding part of my workflow... like my buddies editing RED footage have to do.
As for the CPU cooler, I know the 212 EVO is the one many choose and I am sure it is the ideal budget cooler, but this other was significantly cheaper and still gets decent marks from what I can tell... if my new CPU gets to hot, I guess I will regret it and get a better one, however, right now this one fits the budget.
Thanks for the input guys!
Gemini II - € 24.90
Hyper 212 EVO - € 26.40
What are you talking about? € 1.50 difference for much better cooling... Well, if that is a break-your-budget situation...
if my new CPU gets to hot, I guess I will regret it and get a better one, however, right now this one fits the budget.
Does a new CPU, if this one gets too hot, also fit in the budget? Sorry, but this really sounds 'penny-wise, pound-foolish'.
Thanks Eric... I have been trying Cineform Studio with the Hero3 footage I have been working with... didn't think to put other codecs through it though, good idea...
...so you find it a good way to transcode AVCHD as well?
What do you typically transcode to, .AVI or .MOV, for editing in PP?
Cineform allows you to take different media/codecs along with different resolutions and make them all symmetric in a 4 2 2 color space. codec. There are many different advantages to using Cineform including performance on slower systems or with Premiere right now and AVC. Always use AVI with Cineform on PC with Adobe because of the limitations with the QuickTime player.
Heh-heh, next you will be telling me I tie my shoes wrong... Really Harm? Is the 212 THAT much better that I can expect my CPU to burn up using the Gemini?
For me it was a $15 decision and since I am just getting into this DSLR editing, I am not willing to go all in for the "perfect" system... if I find I am having fun with it and want to continue, that's when I will start looking to pay up to fill in the gaps... until I determine that, 15 bucks makes a difference to me.
I appreciate your technical expertise Harm, I have read many of your posts in my search for what fits best for me, and I especially like the research you have done with regards to the GPU's and balancing all the components.
So, perhaps one day, I will hit you up for some of that knowledge when I build the killer editing system, you certainly seem to be the guy... until then, this is a shoestring operation (laced backwards)... and if I so horribly screwed up saving 15 clams, then I guess it will be this fools opportunity to learn a $300 lesson
Great Eric! Learning stuff all the time here on the forum... I really appreciate that you guys are out there sharing.
I have noticed that with the .MOV, it just doesn't seem to wanna work smoothly on my current system... but the .MOV does seem to transcode faster on my current system... I will try more patience with the .AVI
Quicktime all but locks up on playback as well, I have been having good luck though with VLC media player... and with the 1080 60fps right out of the GoPro (I have to change the playback speed though)... I find that useful to preview the footage I got before editing.
We are talking the Cineform Studio verison right, not the $299 Premium? I saw no reference to the color space... but maybe that is the only option, or there are other settings I have yet to see in Studio.
Also, if this goes well for me, I will need to come see you guys about a tough "field" laptop (making adventure videos) that can handle some abuse traveling around... but that is a discussion for later.
26.40 - 24.90 = 1.50, not 15.00, but hey, I'm only giving my opinion.
I am talking about the $299 Premium version. The free version only works with the H264/MP4 file type of the Go Pro. It will not recognize the MTS files. The Premium version handles about any codec out.
Well I guess you need to start shopping where I shop... they use different math AND have Memorial Day promotions
...and seriously, I do appreciate your opinion... it is yours and others that have helped me learn more about all this... so Cheers to that!
...yeah, that's what I was guessing... Good to know though... I will keep that in mind, right now, the extra is not in the wallet... been buying too much stuff lately just to get started.
Can you recommend any other PC apps that can do an acceptable job, open source perhaps?
Just to close this out...
...got everything installed, have been using it daily for more than 2 weeks and it all works wonderfully.
I have never had a dedicated GPU before and now I guess I always will, the GTX660 has made a HUGE difference for me (had to do the enable proceess though) along with the 3770K and more memory...
...16GB seems more than enough, haven't noticed more than 12GB-ish being used, even with the CPU is at 90-100% usage during rendering (CPU temps don't peak over 48c-50c, although I am not overclocking)
I know there are much better set-ups out there, but for me on my budget, this $700 upgrade makes me happy, and I can, in comparison to before, breeze through my editing tasks... and as I learn PPro better, I guess that will go from a breeze to a blow... well... in a manner of speaking
Thanks for the help earlier to any/all repliers.