I'm not able to find an ornament glyph with GID of 918 (the one with Unincode 0066 is GID 1149 in my copy of Warnock Pro). When I insert that glyph I see no override.
What does this mystery ornament look like?
It's a small bullet-sized four-petaled fleuron. I'll try and get a
screenshot when I've got more than just email access.
It's definitely GID 918. Maybe it's not in your ornaments subsection? If
you "sort glyphs by GID" you should be able to find it easily though.
My Warnock Regular seems to be version OTF1.009 if that makes any
In my version, 2.035, GID 918 belongs to Unicode 1E80, Latin Capital W with Grave.
Could be your version of Warnock Pro.
And the Unicode 0066 looks like the same fleuron you describe, but with the GID I mentioned above...
Perhaps. Still, strange to me that a bug in a font can cause a paragraph
I'll try and post a screenshot later.
That's the one....
OK, this is weird. I see the override indicator in the control panel, as you indicate (never looked there before, so I've learned something new). I don't see any override indicated in the Paragraph Styles panel, though.
That's right. I also don't see a + sign next to the style name in the
paragraphs palette. But both in the control panel and in the paragraph
style palette the paragraph icon is highlighted, indicating some sort of
And if you delete the ornament, the override is gone, right?
Indeed. It looks like it gets activated any time you use an alterante Glyph -- I can make it happen with the $ in Minion Pro, too, for example, if I thype it, then choose an alternate from the Glyphs panel.
Well, hold on. That's expected -- switching on the "Alternate" property
is indeed a paragraph override. Also, it works as expected, in that we
can clear that override in the usual way.
What's peculiar about the particular Warnock Pro ornament is that it
creates a paragraph override just by being inserted into the paragraph,
AND, that override cannot be cleared in any way.
I tested it with Minion Pro inserting a random glyph. It behaves as described. I can get rid of the override just at a character level (Ctrl click on Windows).
OK, If I actually select the Warnock glyph I can clear the override (without losing the fleuron), but if I then move the cursor anywhere in the paragraph, the overide indicator comes back. There is definitely appears to be some sort of internal difference, though, in how Minion Pro and Warnock Pro are coding alternates and ornaments. Most of the ornaments in Minion Pro share the same Unicode point, 2022 Bullet. I can remove the override for a Minion Pro ornament the same way as with Warnock Pro, it seems, but removing it from something listed as an alternate changes the glyph.
Whatever is the cause of this behavior, it is not new. Just checked CS4 and it's the same.
What so strange here is the concept that just adding a character from a
font can create a paragraph style override, when all its attributes are
the default ones belonging to the paragraph style. It's like saying "The
letter 'f' is considered a paragraph style override". What connection is
there between the specific letters/glyphs/characters used and the
None that makes sense to me except maybe that the glyph sahres a unicode value with something else deemed "correct" for that codepoint, but I'm not font expert. I'm inclined to think this might be a bug.