20 Replies Latest reply: Jun 6, 2013 3:27 PM by Omke Oudeman RSS

    How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?

    Rocket.1978

      Hello,

       

      I have photo files (in RAW format) saved basically in two places, firstly on my laptop harddrive, and secondly archived on an external toshiba hard drive that connects to my laptop via USB

       

      When I load up Adobe Bridge and navigate to the folder of images on my laptop hard drive, the thumbnails are available pretty much instantly. Bridge is able to 'remember' the thumbnails from last time it loaded them up. (I say 'remembered' I know thats probably not the right word but i'm a bit of a philistine when it comes to computers so please forgive my ignorance!)

       

      When I plug the external hard drive in to my laptop, and navigate to the folder, Bridge has to extract all of the thumbnails from scratch. For some of my folders this is over 1000+ images each time and I am needing to work with these images on a daily basis. So its getting frustrating having to wait for several minutes or more (sometimes 10+ minutes) before I can start opening the files I need in CS5.

       

      I guess the reason is that the hard drive is external and so the laptop/Bridge thinks it is a new set of images being loaded up each time. But the hard drive appears as the same drive letter each time, so the folder/file paths of each image/thumbnail should be the same. I used to use the same method with Adobe PS Elements Organiser, and this software seemed to recognise the hard drive each time I loaded the software and I didn't have to wait for the thumbnails in Elements to load.

       

      Is there any way to correct this before I ditch Bridge and go back to using Elements?

       

      Kind regards
      Tom

        • 1. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
          Trevor.Dennis MVP

          Tom I have several external drives, and this isn't happening.  You said the drive is made by Toshiba, but I can't see mention of the laptop operating system?  I am on Windows 7.

           

          Have you looked through your preferences?  I have 'Automatically export cache to folders when possible' checked and 'Keep 100% previews in chache' unchecked'.  How much space have you allocated for your chache?  And how does your OS see the external drive?  Is it mounted and comes under the list of drives in 'My Computer, or does it show as Removeable ?

          • 2. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
            Community Member

            Tom,

             

            Bridge is just a file browser.  The Organizer in Elements is, well, an organizer or Digital Asset Manager.

             

            If you don't have your Bridge preferences set as Trevor indicated, to export the cache to folders, then the cache for your external HD is not maintained when you disconnect the USB drive.

             

            CAVEAT:  I'm a Mac User and things may be different in Windows.

            • 3. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
              Rocket.1978

              Thanks Trevor,

               

              My laptop is windows 7 as well, and the toshiba drive connects to the laptop via usb, and usually appears in windows explorer as drive F (shows as Toshiba HDD (F:)) doesn't say anything about being removable although I do usually eject the drive before disconnecting. I'll check my preferences and see what I have set already. Thanks for you help.

               

              Tom

              • 4. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                Rocket.1978

                Thanks 2 stations

                 

                I always quite liked using Elements Organiser and lived with it happily for years to display, file, archive, etc all of my 5D Mk2 RAW files, but for some reason it doesn't display my Panasonic GF3 (recently purchased) RAW files (despite upgrading to the most recent version of ACR) and so its frustrating having a filing system where I can only see some of my photos.

                 

                So i'm trying Bridge - have had the software for years I guess but never really used it before, but it does look like it will do what I want and although the management of files is not as useful as with Organiser I can pretty much manage the filing using the folder system in windows explorer and use Bridge as the 'viewer' part of my workflow.

                 

                Cheers
                Tom

                • 5. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                  Omke Oudeman Community Member

                  but it does look like it will do what I want and although the management of files is not as useful as with Organiser I can pretty much manage the filing using the folder system in windows explorer and use Bridge as the 'viewer' part of my workflow.

                   

                   

                  Could you specify the 'not as useful as Organizer part a bit more?

                   

                  It is funny to see that my experience is just the other way round, very happy (despite al its shortcomings and the lack of further development but we have talked about that in many earlier posts…) Bridge user for years and years and used to have installed Elements also installed on my system out of curiosity but never could get the hang of it.

                   

                  What parts are your missing in Bridge that you could do in Organizer?

                  • 6. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                    Rocket.1978

                    Hi Omke,

                     

                    Firstly, this may just be that I am new to Bridge and so I do not have a full understanding of everything that Bridge can offer, so apologies if that is the case...

                     

                    The main thing for me is that in Organiser you can add a single image/photograph/file to a number of different folders (or 'albums' as Organiser refers to them). I find this makes organising and finding my files much easier. For example, I could have a photograph of my son Jasper that I took on holiday in France associated with a number of albums, one where I keep all my holiday snapshots, one where I keep photos of my son/family, one specific to France, etc... (probably not the best example, but you get the idea). And I can open that file from any one of those albums to edit in CS5, and the resulting changes are saved back to all versions of the file. Although clearly there aren't actually different versions of the file in existence, just the single file, but I find this really useful. In Bridge I am essentially using the windows explorer folder structure as my filing structure, which means that any one file can only exist in any one folder at once (unless I make copies, which then makes data management tricky so I tend to just have the single version). As a semi-pro freelance photographer I have thousands (if not tens of thousands) of original images (RAW files) then additionally the associated edited files (.psd, jpgs, etc) to go with the original. So I really need a flexible way to group similar files together.

                     

                    Lets say for example that my filing structure is based on date (so files are archived chronologically) or based on location (so I have a folder based on the geographic location where the photo was taken) or some other subject-related criteria. Then lets say I want to filter out and view all of my black and white images. In Organiser I can have a seperate album created where I add any image that is black and white (in addition to the 'source' folder where the image is stored) and then I am able to instantly view all of my black and white images with one simple click of this folder/album. Organiser will display any and all of my black and white images together, regardless of where the source files are saved on my computer (or external hard drives, if they are connected)

                     

                    In Bridge (so far) the only way I have found to achieve similar results is to tag/keyword any black and white photo with an appropriate tag, and then use the keyword filter to bring out my black and white photos into the main thumbnail view window. However, this would only filter out those black and white photos from the current folder that I am viewing. So if I wanted to view all of my black and white photos from my entire library, I could go to the root image folder and select 'show items from subfolders' which works ok but is kinda time consuming, but where my images are spread across multiple sources e.g. some on an external hard drive, some on my laptop C drive, this would not work. I have no way of viewing all of my black and white images that are stored on both devices, together in one place in Bridge in this example (whereas I could in Organiser).

                     

                    Like I say, that is how I am using Bridge at the moment and I am new to this software, so it may well be that there is a really simple way to do what I could in Organiser... in which case please let me know!

                     

                    Thanks

                    Tom

                    • 7. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                      Community Member

                      Rocket.1978 wrote:

                       

                      …Bridge - have had the software for years I guess but never really used it before, but it does look like it will do what I want and although the management of files is not as useful as with Organiser I can pretty much manage the filing using the folder system in windows explorer and use Bridge as the 'viewer' part of my workflow…

                       

                      Tom,

                       

                      That's exactly what Bridge is!  Glad you grasped it.  Good job!

                       

                      On the other hand, at least on the Mac, Bridge immediately reflects anything you do to your filing structure in the Finder (which is kind of the equivalent of Windows Explorer) and viceversa, anything you do in Bridge is instantly reflected in the Finder.

                       

                      For a more robust DAM (Digital Asset Manager) look to something like Canto Cumulus:  http://www.canto.com/

                      • 8. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                        Community Member

                        Bridge does not work with an "album" paradigm at all.  It strictly reflects the filing structure in your computer.

                        • 9. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                          Curt Y Community Member

                          As has been pointed out Bridge is just a browser.  All edits are either contained on the image or on an XMP file. Which makes the file portable from system to system.

                           

                          Photoshop Elements and Lightroom use a database for the info.  Therefore it is much easier to organize, sort, and manipulate the images in these programs.  However, this does not make the image very portable to other users.  To read the info in Bridge from PSE and LR one has to write it to the image.  Both programs has an option to do this.

                           

                          Disclamer, have never used PSE or LR.

                          • 10. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                            Rocket.1978

                            Curt Y wrote:

                             

                            Photoshop Elements and Lightroom use a database for the info.  Therefore it is much easier to organize, sort, and manipulate the images in these programs. 

                             

                            I know, and if I could I would prefer to use Elements Organiser, as I have happily been using it for years with my Canon cameras. But now I have this problem that for some reason, the RAW files from my newly acquired panasonic do not show up as thumbnails when I try and import them. I just get the message 'file type not supported' or somesuch.

                             

                            So I either have to use two different filing systems, one for photos taken with my dslr, and another for photos taken with the compact. Or I learn an entirely new piece of software from scratch (dont really have the time for this). Or I completely re-organise the way I file my images (and so retrospectively for those thousands of images already filed). Or I try and manage with Bridge, which as you point out is not really designed for this kind of album-style of photo management. None of these solutions are ideal, but that seems to be the way this particular cookie has crumbled...

                            • 11. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                              Curt Y Community Member

                              What version of PSE are you using?  If you have the current version you should be able to update to camera raw (ACR) 7.4 to view your new camera images.

                               

                              Not sure if you are aware or not, but ACR for Bridge and PSE is the same number.  However, the PSE version has many of the features stripped out.  So it you are into RAW and want the best tools you need to step up and use the full version. 

                               

                              Like I said have never used PSE or LR but many poeple use Lightroom for the reasons you desciribe.  Unfortunately there is no one perfect software, only you can decide what is best for you.

                              • 12. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                                Omke Oudeman Community Member

                                In Organiser I can have a seperate album created where I add any image that is black and white (in addition to the 'source' folder where the image is stored)

                                 

                                 

                                Like Station Two and Curt already pointed out, Bridge is a browser that reflects the folder structure on your system and you are used to work with a library structure holding the original in place and links them to the different versions.

                                 

                                That indeed is a whole other workflow. LightRoom may offer you that and as a Mac user I know both iPhoto (limited features for editing but a nice function called places to see images with gps data directly placed on a map to show where you took them) and Aperture, also a library structure and different versions linked to the original, do offer both working with a library structure.

                                 

                                But since you talk about a C-drive you will be on Windows and both above mentioned apps are not available for Windows I'm afraid.

                                 

                                You have the choice to change your workflow entirely for Bridge trying to work your way with a folder system and collections, Use Lightroom or combine the both.

                                 

                                I can't tell you that, this is down to your personal wishes.

                                 

                                Lightroom uses a library for it's originals and versions  but I don't know how it handles different versions. You can always try your self and download the trial version of LR. I have to less experience with LR, have it installed and use it sometimes but like you are used to PSE and new to Bridge I'm used to Bridge and inexperienced with LR

                                 

                                To be honest, with your wishes it might be worth a try to check LR out for its library structure, you may feel more comfortable with it. Besides file management it has some nice options to edit also (personally I prefer the edit in PS itself) and you can set prefs to open the files in PS or an other editor of your choice.

                                • 13. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                                  Rocket.1978

                                  I have updated to the most recent version of ACR

                                   

                                  I dont use the 'elements' part of PSE, only the organiser part. I use CS5 for the actual editing (sorry if I didn't mention that before). I guess that I used elements organiser because at some point I used to use elements for all of my photo editing, but that would've been a long time ago now, before I upgraded to the full version of photoshop.

                                   

                                  I know that I have the most recent version of ACR, because I also had a similar problem with my panasonic RAW files not opening in CS5 either (via ACR) and was advised this was because I was using an out-of-date version of ACR. Unfortunately, updating ACR solved the photoshop problem, but not the elements (organiser) problem! So somewhat frustratingly (and a little bit wierdly, if you ask me) I can view my panasonic RAW files in ACR, and open into photoshop no problems, but elements (which is essentially supposed to be just a lite version of CS5) does not recognise them, at least the organiser bit of elements anyway...

                                   

                                  So I dont think its an ACR version problem, but I might be wrong.

                                   

                                  I guess having spent money on elements originally, and then CS5 since, i'm a little reluctant to have to splash out again for lightroom. I dont think I would use any of the other features of lightroom as I do all of my post processing in CS5 anyway, so I would spending a lot of money just for the file organising part.

                                   

                                  I think I will perseveer with Bridge for a little while and see how I get on, and if it doesn't work out i'll consider investing some more time and money in an alternative programme. Ho hum. Is just such a shame that these things never seem to work out and its not like these applications cost peanuts either.. you invest a lot of money in a system (Adobe, in this case) and then something as simple as an alternative native RAW format comes along and you're back to square one (except with a much lighter wallet!)

                                  • 14. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                                    Curt Y Community Member

                                    If PSE is similar to PS you can only update ACR in the same series.  So in CS5 you can only update to ACR6.x.  If the camera needs ACR 7.x you either have to update or use DNG converter.  Perhaps PSE is similar.  If you have 2 previous verions of PSE you may be only able to use ACR5.x, and your camera requires ACR6.x.

                                     

                                    And yes newer cameras require newer ACR.  But don't blame it all on Adobe.  If the camera manufacturs would not change to a new format each time they introduced a new camera, a new camera raw would not be required.  But that is waaaay to simple of a concept.

                                    • 15. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                                      Yammer Community Member

                                      I used to be able to tell from the updates page...

                                       

                                      Mac http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=40&platform=Macintosh

                                      Windows http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=40&platform=Windows

                                       

                                      ...but it's not so straightforward since they stopped providing it as a download.

                                      • 16. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                                        CameraAnn Community Member

                                        Bridge's answer to a PsE "Album" is a Collection.

                                         

                                        You place aliases to your files in a named Collection.

                                         

                                        Your files remain in their original physical locations on your HD but the same files may be included in multiple Collections.

                                         

                                        Keywords and the use of the Filter panels in Bridge provide further ways to list files which share certain specifications such as date, camera, location etc..

                                        • 17. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                                          Omke Oudeman Community Member

                                          I think I will perseveer with Bridge for a little while and see how I get on, and if it doesn't work out i'll consider investing some more time and money in an alternative programme. Ho hum.

                                           

                                          It is very hard if not impossible to develop an application that will suit all users. You want your files in Albums, being able to work on originals and have the option to work on them again creating a new version.

                                           

                                          My usage is basically not very different because I (like many others) also need to organize my files. But I would like them in a clear oversight with open folder structure. I can do so in Bridge, nothing is hidden away in a package file (like most library structure use) it is all in the open and clear.

                                           

                                          So it seems there is a part liking the library structure and a part want's it to be open, some even are strongly against library structures (amongst them a few of the diehards on this forum… )

                                           

                                          It's not possible to combine the two in one app so there is the problem.

                                           

                                          For me Bridge is key in my process workflow, I use it always and heavy. That said, once the files are ready, distributed to clients and available for archiving I use a dedicated DAM application (for me that is Canto Cumulus single user, but there are other dedicated Digital Asset Management applications.

                                           

                                          To my opinion Bridge is not suitable for long term archive usage (the ever changing cache format is one of the main reasons, also the central cache file can grow very large). On the other hand Canto Cumulus (that is lightning fast in searching keywords and description) is not suitable for the pre process and metadata etc where I use Bridge for.

                                           

                                          Said many times before, the right app for the right job.

                                           

                                          If I look at my older files in archive and need to use them I often am not happy with the quality (the earliest digital files are from 1994, scanned from film, but I dumped analog totally in 2002 or 2003, the moment the 1Ds was available) and as time goes by we learn and the applications get a lot smarter. (ever tried an older raw file from about 8 years old and run it through todays converters? you be amazed about the quality improvement of the conversion of that same file.

                                           

                                          I have my Raw files archived on separate disks. I started right away with tiff in 2001 using EOS 30D and lost my sanity for about half a year when I shot jpeg with the 1D because back then people said there was no difference between tif and jpeg, CF cards where pretty expensive in those days. But I still deeply regret this because I can't get very much of those files while tiff from around the same period is much more flexible.

                                           

                                          A lot of them on CD and DVD but the past 4 years I started using 2 TB HD's for them. My keepers are archived using Canto Cumulus but this is already growing above 65.000 files so you can imagine the amount of raw material I have stored separately (hence a library structure would not work for my set up).

                                           

                                          The raw material is stored based on the shot date (I rename my files with yyyymmdd-sequence number) and when I need the original raw file or one from the same series it takes me a few seconds in Canto to find the shot date of my archived keeper and a few minutes to get the original corresponding original raw file or the series of the files that where not chosen the first round.

                                           

                                          If an improved version is needed I process older files from scratch, a bit in ACR and most in PS based on actions using adjustment layers and channel based masks.

                                           

                                          I also don't bother about deleting raw files, just use Bridge to sort the files I want to process (star rating, using cmd + . and arrow keys, very fast, combined with filter panel. No problem to sort a few that I like most from (sometimes) hundreds of raw material. The unrated files are copied to the Raw archive. HD is cheap nowadays and keep sorting to reject or dump bad files costs time (as you know also can be money).

                                           

                                          Everyone uses his own workflow, the one that suites him or her best. However, don't be afraid to adjust/improve your workflow, I've done so many times. sometimes forced due to changed or even deleted / discontinued options in the applications, sometimes because I liked it, but always to my benefit.

                                           

                                           

                                          Is just such a shame that these things never seem to work out and its not like these applications cost peanuts either.. you invest a lot of money in a system and then something as simple as an alternative native RAW format comes along and you're back to square one (except with a much lighter wallet!)

                                           

                                          I couldn't disagree more with you about this.

                                           

                                          You have files of the 5D MK3 and this camera costs more then the total Adobe Master Collection (that is soon not available any longer). Personally (as a full time professional) I have invested in a lot of dSLR, from the 30D in a row the 1D, the 1D2n, the complete 1Ds series and currently the 1Dx.

                                           

                                          I also bought every upgrade of Photoshop (except CS5.5) from Photoshop 3 (on floppy disks) to CS6 and currently the Creative Cloud subscription of CS6. I don't have the exact figures but I dare say that the total some of investment of all these upgrades over the years are not even enough to pay half the sum I spend on the EOS 1Dx.

                                           

                                          But I did profit from the improved software and earned my money with it. I know that an amateur can't profit financially (at least, if he/she does then using the word amateur is not correct) but being able to pay for a dSLR with some good lenses one should also have no problem with a fraction of those cost for good software to get the most out of their cameras

                                           

                                          There are some strong opinions about Creative Cloud (yes, there are some concerns) but look at the bright side. There is still an option to have a fabulous offer to get hold of almost all Adobe applications for about half the money during the first year and after that it is a monthly cost of 50 dollar for the complete set.

                                           

                                          That is not for free, I know, but it is also a predictable amount (easy to budget) of money for your software, give you all the latest updates and with current prices still a fraction of your new dSLR. (like it or not, as it seems, in about 5 or 10 years all software likely is being distributed this way, to my opinion they should offer some more options and cheaper for users that only want a few applications but as all large companies, they start high and the market will tell if they can keep going on so)

                                           

                                          And remember, Creative Cloud not only offers Photoshop and Bridge, but also Lightroom. And your new dSLR is capable of HD video, Premiere Pro is also included in CC. InDesign and Illustrator are also at hand. All have a pretty steep learning curve (except Bridge) but offer plenty of options you never dreamed of or where able to achieve.

                                           

                                          If you have a hobby and want to make the most of it (which you should do when you can afford mid- and high-end dSLR) then you also have to invest in software.

                                           

                                          If you are a pro or a semi pro:

                                          it takes money to earn money…

                                          • 18. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                                            Rocket.1978

                                            Is just such a shame that these things never seem to work out and its not like these applications cost peanuts either.. you invest a lot of money in a system and then something as simple as an alternative native RAW format comes along and you're back to square one (except with a much lighter wallet!)

                                             

                                            I couldn't disagree more with you about this.

                                             

                                             

                                            Without wishing to sound in any way arguementative, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this! (you don't work for Adobe do you! )

                                             

                                            My camera is a second hand 5d mk2. With lens, etc probably a couple of grands worth of kit. My type of photography is not such that I need loads of backup camera bodies, etc.

                                             

                                            I've easily spent £700-£800 on Adobe software over the last, say, 5 years. So at least a third, probably closer to half the cost of my camera kit. Thats a substantial sum, and I really dont think its too much to ask (hope) for that this should provide pretty much all the answers I need in my software.

                                             

                                            I realise that there are limitations here, as people have pointed out Bridge is not designed to use 'albums' in the same way that organiser is not designed to mirror the windows explorer folder structure.

                                             

                                            But, I think its a fallacy that we should all just accept the default position of having to fork out hundreds of pounds every couple of years just to be able to properly use software we have already paid hundreds of pounds for. This is exactly the kind of attitude that will lead to, well, nothing really... if people kick up a fuss, refuse to buy, etc consumer pressure is a powerfull tool. We should ask  these questions, we should voice our opinions, we should use what power we have in my humble opinion. Not just sit around saying ho hum, yet another upgrade requred, oh well... have some more cash Adobe. Thats just not the right attitude in my opinion!

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                            If you are a pro or a semi pro:

                                            it takes money to earn money…

                                             

                                            Hmmm, well for what its worth, I know semi-pro photographers in the artist communities that make great artwork, not to mention decent sums of money, using iPhones, cheap compacts with home made lenses/pinholes/cheap plastic lenses. The cost of their Adobe software is probably triple what their kit costs are! So the ratio of camera cost to software cost is just a red herring.(If I had spent 3 times the amount of money on software compared to my cameras then I would be pretty annoyed if my software couldn't cope with two different RAW formats!). But, perhaps that's just the circles I hang round in. if I were a wedding or events photographer perhaps it would be different...?

                                            • 19. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                                              Curt Y Community Member

                                              Rocket.1978 wrote:

                                               

                                              I've easily spent £700-£800 on Adobe software over the last, say, 5 years. So at least a third, probably closer to half the cost of my camera kit. Thats a substantial sum, and I really dont think its too much to ask (hope) for that this should provide pretty much all the answers I need in my software.

                                              You don't understand how Abobe and camera manufacturors work, or cameras work.  If you want to shoot jpeg picutres then any Adobe version will work with the camera.  If you want to shoot camera raw pictures the story is different.  Every time a new camera model is introduced the manufacturor comes out with a new code on how the raw image information is to be decoded.  Since no camera manufacturor want to reveal trade secrets Adobe has to back engineer the product to come up with a code called Adobe Camera Raw (ACR).  This then is a new version, and like cameras is not back version compatable.  So if you want the latest and greatest camera, and shoot RAW, you either have to pay up for new versions of ACR, or convert your RAW images to DNG for free.

                                              • 20. Re: How can I stop Adobe Bridge reloading thumbnails each time I load the software?
                                                Omke Oudeman Community Member

                                                No problems with agree and disagree, keeps the world alive

                                                 

                                                And I don't work for Adobe, just work with their products and earn a living with it. I also have the luxury to compare things back in the analog days, working in dark environment with dirty chemicals to print my photo's in black and white.

                                                 

                                                Would not have missed this but also glad I don't have to do this anymore!

                                                 

                                                I just wanted to point out that I'm not in favor of complaining about costs when you want the results to be good. Everyone has their own workflow, which is fine by me, even when you work with simple sources and create something other people like so much they want to pay for it.

                                                 

                                                But like Curt already pointed out it is not Adobe alone being to complain at. I also know Adobe has big revenues and I think it is a bloody shame they did not invest a tiny bit of this enormous sum to improve Bridge which is badly needed.

                                                 

                                                There is always a way to find something to get angry about, especially when it comes to big companies in common. They generate a lot of money but that is also due to big numbers and world wide operating. Those big companies also employ many people who earn their living and so the world keeps running

                                                 

                                                If you are happy with second hand gear (nothing wrong with btw) and can manage with older software also fine by me. But if I compare the options 15 years ago to current then I'm glad I have them at hand and also feel good about having helped build this improvement by buying the upgrades so people can keep on developing new features.

                                                 

                                                It may sound idealistic but if we all want to have a living we also have to pay each other, as simple as that.

                                                 

                                                There is nothing wrong with consumer power, sometimes things get over the top. Business people always try to get the most and when doing so the market eventually will stop them.

                                                 

                                                But complaining has to be for good reasons, not just blaming the other for charging to much because you think they do. Fact is that Adobe changed to the creative cloud, which will have to proof itself but regarding the growing subscriptions this is no dead end street and whether you like it or not, many people see benefits they did not see before.

                                                 

                                                Concerns about being left with nothing when you stop the subscription are justified and we all have to find our way in to this. Fact is also that the growing piracy ( which is theft and means not paying each other and eventually improvements and innovation come to a halt ) was also reason for changing to cloud distribution.

                                                 

                                                And like Curt also stated, camera vendors keep creating new formats for each new dSLR. And you have to give credit to Adobe they provide free upgrades for ACR on a regular base including those news formats. Not doing so for older versions is understandable in my view, they still produce a new and free DNG converter for each new ACR update and with DNG you can use those files in ACR for a lot of older versions plus leaving you the opportunity to work with all know Raw formats on older versions, whether you paid 3 times software vs camera or 3 times camera vs software. So you still have a choice