7 Replies Latest reply on Jun 7, 2013 1:24 PM by Mary Lou Frost

    Pixel Dimensions in MB

    Mary Lou Frost Level 1

      The pixel dimension field in the Image Size window, seems to use a generic number of MB which has no connection to the size of the image when I save it as a full resolution Photoshop document.

       

      Where does that number come from?

       

      I am developing a tutorial to help students understand the information in this window.  Everything makes good sense except this pixel dimension number which is supposed to indicate the file size.

       

      Thanks for your help.

       

      Mary Lou

        • 1. Re: Pixel Dimensions in MB
          dj_paige Level 10

          There is really no connection between number of pixels and size of a photo in MB. Number of pixels does not completely determine file size. File size depends on a huge number of other things.

           

          The JPG compression algorithm takes photos and compresses them via its own algorithm and user settings, and the amount of compression also depends on the content of the image, and so it is a pointless task to try to figure out the relationship.

           

          Best thing you can do is accept that there is no obvious relationship, and move on.

          • 2. Re: Pixel Dimensions in MB
            Mary Lou Frost Level 1

            I understand what you have written.  My question is a bit different.  In the Image Size window, at the top, there is a Megabyte size given for the current image.  This information leads off the Pixel Size section.  I will attach an example.

            What is the meaning of 2.86 M?  Where does this number come from?  It is unrelated to the actual filesize of the image.  When I keep the file saved in Photoshop format, it is not anywhere near the size mentioned (2.86M)

            Picture 5.png

            I hope this makes my question clearer.  I don't know how to explain the meaning of that number.

             

            Mary Lou

            • 3. Re: Pixel Dimensions in MB
              photodrawken Level 5

              The confusion comes from two causes:

              1. 1,000 "computer things" is equal to 1,024 "normal things".
              2. Each pixel has 3 chunks of data -- one chunk for each colour channel (Red, Green, and Blue).

               

              So, the formula to get the "Pixel Dimensions" number is this (Only using the top section.  Ignore the "Document Size" area.) :

               

              (Width/1024) x (Height/1024) x 3

               

              For your example:

              (1000/1024) x (1000/1024) x 3 =

              0.9765625 x 0.9765625 x 3 =

              0.95367431641 x 3 =

              2.86102294922

               

              Added:

              The obvious question is "What if there are more colour channels?"  You guessed it:  multiply by the number of channels.  Here's the same image opened in PSCS2, first as an RGB image, then after switching the Mode to CMYK;

              BB-RGB.png

               

              BB-CMYK.png

               

              Ken

               

              Message was edited by: photodrawken to add examples

              • 4. Re: Pixel Dimensions in MB
                Mary Lou Frost Level 1

                That is exactly the sort of help I wanted but I have one more detail to understand.  You translated 1,000 pixels to 1024.  How do I translate other pixel dimensions, such at the "640" in your example.  Do I have to created an algebraic equation using this -  1000:1024 + 640:X  and then solve it?

                 

                Or is there a simpler way to apply the tranlation to other pixel dimensions than 1000?

                 

                Thanks.

                 

                Mary Lou

                • 5. Re: Pixel Dimensions in MB
                  Brett N Adobe Employee

                  Computers speak in binary (ones and zeros = two values). This means that all numbers work in doubles: 2 -> 4 -> 8... 512 -> 1024. These are "bits" of data. 8 bits make a byte. 1024 bytes makes a kilobyte. 1024 kilobytes makes a megabyte, and so on. So if you want to know how much memory is taken up by a given number (whether it is 640 or 1000), you have to convert it to "computer" numbers.

                   

                  You can approximate values by simply using 1000, but it is not accurate. If you want accurate, you have to use the formula offered by Ken.

                   

                  So, for 640:

                  (640/1024) x (640/1024) x 3 =

                  0.625 x 0.625 x 3 =

                  0.390625 x 3 =

                  1.171875

                  • 6. Re: Pixel Dimensions in MB
                    photodrawken Level 5

                    There's still the question of what use is that pixel dimensions number?

                     

                    All I can think of is that it's a way to compare the relative amount of image data between images that is independent of the file size factors mentioned by dj_paige.

                     

                    This topic is also a great excuse to post my favourite computer joke:

                     

                    There are 10 kinds of people:  Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

                     

                     

                     

                    Ken

                    • 7. Re: Pixel Dimensions in MB
                      Mary Lou Frost Level 1

                      OK.  Let's see if get this.  I opened two images whose size was 1024x768.  They were quite different images in tonal values so when saved they would have different file sizes.......

                       

                      But, when I applied Brett's formula, the  filesize given in pixel dimensions should have been 2.25 M   and it was!

                       

                      I realize that this information has no practical value but I am sure to encounter a student who asks me to explain it and now there is an explanation!

                       

                      I have some photography friends who I will forward this conversation to!  Maybe it will set their heads spinning.

                       

                      Thanks to all of you.

                       

                      Mary Lou