15 Replies Latest reply on Jul 5, 2013 12:13 AM by fredowww66

    Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...

    fredowww66 Level 1

      I working on a movie, footage is mostly 1080p 50 fr. For the moment the movielenght on the timeline  is only 8 minutes and editing is becoming so hard because of the slowness of some tasks...

      I explain:

       

      1) At start up loading this latest project is slow

      2) Media asset pannel: thumbnails of footage is loading very slow when you go to another folder

      3) Pre-viewing of (a part of) the footage already added to the timeline (expertmode) is sluggy, but sometimes even when pre-rendering with the renderbutton is done (the render markers are correct placed) !

       

      Also a crash op PE sometimes happens (but not so frequent)

      Final rendering to a format (dvd, mp4 etc) works well but ofcourse it's difficult to make a good movie if pre-viewing of the timelinefootage is not working well ...

       

      So my question is if I replace my internal (ram) memory in my pc from 8 GB to 16 GB, would this fix all this 3 problems ?

      I have only 2 memory banks, now with 2x4 gb so I would have to buy 2x8 that's more than 100 euro (more than PE itselfs thus ...).

      My pc works well for a recent game like Far Cry 3 so I don't need the memory for other programs ... So I want to be shure if this will fix it.

       

      Finally, my config: PC has a small ssd with win 7 home premium and PE 11 dutch, all other data on traditional HD, separate ghraphics card:

       

      MEDION® AKOYA® PC P5368 E

      bought in dec 2012

      CPU-typeIntel Core i7 3770
      ram8GB
      GeheugentypeDDR3
      motherboardchipsetIntel H61
      bus hdSATA-600
      Optische Drive TypeDVD+/-RW DL
      VideochipGeForce GTX 560
      Opslagcapaciteit64GB
      HardeschijftypeSolid State Disk
      Opslagcap. tweede schijf1,5TB
      Hardeschijftype tweede schijf7200rpm
        • 1. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
          nealeh Level 5

          That machine should have plenty enough power to run PRE11. Increasing your RAM further is not likely to make too much difference.

           

          The first things I would check are that your scratch disks in PRE preferences are set to your hard drive and not your SSD, and look at what other programs are running at startup that might be slowing down your PC. Disable those you don't need permanently running.

           

          You might try, temporarily, disabling real time protection on your anti virus / spyware software and seeing if that makes a difference.

           

          Cheers,
          --
          Neale
          Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children.

          • 2. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
            nealeh Level 5

            Also ensure that your graphics and audio drivers, windows updates and QuickTime are all updated to the very latest versions.

             

            Cheers,
            --
            Neale
            Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children.

            • 3. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
              fredowww66 Level 1

              Scratch disks locations in PRE11 are all set by me on the traditional HD.

              Windows and other services are not slow at start. Windows start up very fast. Also PE11 starts up fast, because both are on the SSD. It's when I open (and work with) a project  in PE11 that it becomes very slow.

               

              Windows update are on auto. Quicktime is up to date. Graphics and audio drivers I'm not sure but I suppose there will be a windows/nvidea icon message if there are new graphic drivers available.

               

              I use the pc almost only for PE (no local mailclient etc installed) and a game.

              I don't run other programs while I'll use PE11

              • 4. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                A.T. Romano Level 7

                fredowww66

                 

                Just quick questions:

                 

                How much free hard drive space is on the "traditional HD" to which you direct your Scratch Disks?

                 

                Please go to the manufacturer of your graphics and audio card to assure that you have the latest driver for each.

                 

                If you go to the Documents/Adobe/Premiere Elements/11.0, are there pile up of preview files in the Adobe Premiere Elements Preview Files Folder and in addition conformed audio files (cfa and pek sets) in the Media Cache Folder there? Have you gone to Edit Menu/Preferences/Media and clicked on the "Clean" button to get rid of pile ups of conformed video files?

                 

                Have you run the regular and registry parts of the free cclean computer optimizing program?

                http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner

                 

                ATR

                • 5. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                  nealeh Level 5

                  fredowww66 wrote:

                   

                  Graphics and audio drivers I'm not sure but I suppose there will be a windows/nvidea icon message if there are new graphic drivers available.

                  I'd never install graphics drivers via Windows Update (they can be outdated). Nvidia will only notify you if you have installed their update checking software. If you have not go to their website at http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us and get the latest version. Much the same for Audio - go to the manufacturers site for the latest drivers.

                   

                  fredowww66 wrote:

                   

                  I don't run other programs while I'll use PE11

                   

                  Maybe not but PC's as supplied invariably have all kinds of stuff automatically running at start up that you may not need.

                   

                  What anti-virus software do you run? Many have reported Norton or McAfee as causing a major performance hit on PRE although, as I don't use either, I cannot personally confirm.

                   

                  Cheers,
                  --
                  Neale
                  Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children.

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                  • 6. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                    fredowww66 Level 1

                    Update last night:

                    nvidia update: Ok, thks, I'll install it.

                     

                    AV is avira free edition, I forgot to check if unable it would make a difference. I'll try it this evening.

                     

                    @ AT Romano:

                    Free space on disk is 1,3 T, so that's not the point

                    I've also done the clean button.

                    After that still same situation.

                    There are cfa en pk sets on the HD.

                    But there is something  with the settings of the maps for scratsch disks.

                    I choosed to give them all a separate (sub)map on my HD.

                    But for some reason, PE11 changed some locations again to something like this d:\my videos

                    So last  thing I tried is changing them again in my choice. While I'll was doing this the program crashed ... (there was even no project loaded at that moment)

                    After complete restart the paths to the scratsh disks were still my choice.

                    Started up PE, loaded my project.

                    Loading project and first time open a map in the assets panel was still slow (ofcourse, I don't know what is the normal speed is in this if f.e. the map has 40 clips, is it normal than that you have to wait 1 minute before all thumbnails are showed... ?)

                    But playback seems to be better now ....

                     

                    So, for now, I think my problem had nothing to see with drivers, anti-virus and things like that.

                    But something with (forgetting ...?) the exact locations of the scratsdisk locations.

                    I'm working under a normal user windows 7 account, could it be possible that PE11 is not dealing well with simple user accounts .... (and that you have to use an admin account ...? Ofcourse, for several reasons, I don't want this.

                    • 7. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                      A.T. Romano Level 7

                      fredowww66

                       

                      I am just starting my day and will study your reply fuller later today, but I did want to get back to you on one point for your immediate review.

                       

                      You wrote

                      I'm working under a normal user windows 7 account, could it be possible that PE11 is not dealing well with simple user accounts .... (and that you have to use an admin account ...

                      It has been classic that Premiere Elements (any version) requires that it be run from a User Account with Administrative Privileges. Or have you right clicked the program's desktop icon and selected Run As Administrator?

                       

                      You also spoke of shifting Scratch Disk locations. Have you specified a custom location in Edit Menu/Preferences/Scratch Disks or are you using Same As Project, assuming that the project will follow where you think the Scratch Disks are going?

                       

                      More later.

                       

                      ATR

                      • 8. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                        fredowww66 Level 1

                        I run PE, like other programs, just under normal windows 7 user account (so this account doesn't have admin rights, if program needs this at some point program should ask the admin password, that's the normal way in win 7). So I don't right-click and run as administrator (in that case windows expect that also your documents are under the admin account ...).

                         

                        Scratch disk locations: I have specified already a few times a real location (and not 'same as project').

                        • 9. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                          John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          What is the "normal way" is not what you need to do for Premiere Elements... the program will not ask you for your admin password, it will simply fail

                           

                          This note is for a different program, but the steps are the same

                           

                          Run as Administrator http://forums.adobe.com/thread/969395

                          • 10. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                            the_wine_snob Level 9

                            Programs, such as PrE, need full read/write privledges, as there ARE many working files required in video editing. With most programs, one is only dealing with simple documents, and then writes are just when one Saves that document. That is why, as ATR points out, PrE really likes to be run from an Administrator Account. That gives PrE the capabilities to read/write, as required, when required.

                             

                            The User Account could be the reason that PrE is not holding the Scratch Disk locations that you are specifying - it does not have the rights to change things on the computer?

                             

                            As I only have my full Administrator Account (have from at least Windows 3.0 and all my versions of NT), I do not know what limitations one might encounter with a non-Administrator User Account.

                             

                            Good luck,

                             

                            Hunt

                            • 11. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                              fredowww66 Level 1

                               

                              John T Smith wrote:

                               

                              What is the "normal way" is not what you need to do for Premiere Elements... the program will not ask you for your admin password, it will simply fail

                               

                              This note is for a different program, but the steps are the same

                               

                              Run as Administrator http://forums.adobe.com/thread/969395

                              That's almost the same as right-click and runas admin, the only difference is that you don't have to right-click. The problem with this solution I mentioned above already:

                              windows acts than like you are the admin and the admin documentsfolderlocations is the standard instead of yours folderlocations (so all your footage, pictures and all data you want to use in your project should be than in the admin documentsfolders instead of your own user folder ....

                               

                              Than it's better to change the useraccountpermission in admin, that's what I did now. So I'm working with an account with full adminrights now. That's not very safe but I want to give it a try for the time of the project-in-use . I've updated also the graphic and audio drivers.

                              I've also disabled temporary AV.

                               

                              All this didn't change anything for loading the thumbnails when you open a project. It still takes minutes to load and the first time after startup opening a subfolder in the assetspanel also takes again minutes (only the first time after startup, if you later go back in that subfolder thumbnails are showed almost directly).

                               

                              Play-back of timeline seems almost ok now, but this was already yesterday the case (since the scratchlocations didn't change anymore)

                               

                              In the manual I read that it is advised to defrag the scratchlocations from time to time. But win vista/7/8 have auto defrag ... ?

                              • 12. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                                fredowww66 Level 1

                                No other advices about the memory upgrade ... ?

                                 

                                Another source advised me to put next time my project settings in 25fps ...

                                Is this wise to solve this ? (because I've learned here that your importsettings should be always the same as the majority of the footagesettings so in my case 1080p 50fps  ... )

                                • 13. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                                  A.T. Romano Level 7

                                  fredowww66

                                   

                                  If you have 1080p50, then your Premiere Elements 11 project preset should be 1080p50.

                                   

                                  But, in the days before the availability of 1080p50 in the Premiere Elements 11 project presets, the user could import 1080p50 using the 1080p25 project preset and then export with the appropriate export for 1080p50. Export settings in control of the project goals.

                                   

                                  One the key features of setting the project preset is for it to direct the program to set up the correct space for that choice in the Edit Mode Monitor for editing purposes. So whether you use 1080p50 or 1080p25, there should be the same space (1920 x 1080 16:9) reflected in the Edit Mode Monitor.

                                   

                                  So, unless you are doing frame to frame editing, it is possible to take p50 out of the equation. The project preset has other tasks some obvious, like make the correct disc menu set type available for you in the project, and other subtle one related to project settings.

                                   

                                  You can try it the new and old way. But it should not be expected be different in your end product encoded to 1080p50.

                                   

                                  Please review. And, do not hesitate to ask if you need clarification on anything that I have written.

                                   

                                  Thanks.

                                   

                                  ATR

                                  • 14. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                                    A.T. Romano Level 7

                                    fredpwww66

                                     

                                    After my latest post, I did a browse through the whole post since I have not had a chance to visit your thread lately.

                                     

                                    One thing that struck me was that the one thing that did seem to be out of sorts, namely, scratch discs topic, seemed to have been detoured away from by other suggestions.

                                     

                                    So, let me get back to scratch discs to clear that aspect of the matter away...

                                    To what location are the scratch disc presently located...specific path to...are they all going to the same place...if not, which to where...and how much free hard drive space at that location?

                                     

                                    If these scratch disks all or any are directed to an external hard drive, what is the format of the drive and have you noticed it unexplainably changing drive letters from time to time?

                                     

                                    Thanks.

                                     

                                    ATR

                                    • 15. Re: Very slow editing, playback sluggy even after render ...
                                      fredowww66 Level 1

                                      it's already mentioned above, I repeat: scratch disks is on a separate internal drive (7200 rpm) (:d), locationpaths for the folders set by me.  There is more than 1.3 Tera free space on this disk, it's a new pc ...