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    Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?

    oliewdj Level 1

      I have my date created that derives from the .mov files - but i am unable to sort via the column heading even though i have it displayed - i can sort all the other columns from the premiere metadata but headings within the basic dont seem to be able to be sorted by, in CS6 it worked, is this a CC bug?

      thanks

      Oli

        • 1. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
          Jim_Simon Level 8

          I'm a little lost on what you're trying to do here.

          • 2. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
            oliewdj Level 1

            On the Bin window - list view.

            I have no way of sorting clips if they dont have metadata inside them, i,e movs from a dslr straight from a folder.

            These movs do have the date created stamp from the file so that could be used to sort them with into a logical time related list (say a day of events over multiple cameras)

            In cs6 i would go into metadata and enable the date created column - then sort via that, In CC i can get the column up but i cannot sort using it,

             

            If i go into the thumbnail view and sort via media start for cameras with timecode - this is fine for 5dm3 etc....but older dslrs like 7d etc, do not embed timecode so media start is useless.

             

            hope this helps?

            Oli

            • 3. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
              oliewdj Level 1

              bin.jpg

              you can see from this that media is sorted via media start but the column is useless for nontimecode cameras.

              My other column date - will not click.

               

              in CS6 it did.

              thank

              • 4. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                Jim_Simon Level 8

                I see what you're saying.  Other columns sort fine, but it seems none of the 'Date' columns will sort.

                • 5. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                  oliewdj Level 1

                  That is correct, none of the metadata columns that i add in will sort, but all the premiere ones will

                  • 6. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                    Jim_Simon Level 8

                    Yeah, I see that too.  Looks like only the default values will sort.  I can't imagine this is by design.  You might have found the first bug.

                    • 7. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                      oliewdj Level 1

                      im glad its not just my system

                      • 8. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                        sara_p_dc Level 1

                        I am having this glaring problem as well. This makes it impossible to easily sort wedding footage if it has been renamed!! Multi-cam, hundreds of clips, what am I going to do!?! I hope they resolve this devastating issue asap!

                        • 9. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                          Jim_Simon Level 8

                          I wouldn't count on it.

                          • 10. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                            Mark Mapes Adobe Employee

                            My understanding is that sorting by several columns was purposely disabled due to performance problems that it introduced. An unfortunate tradeoff, but one we deemed necessary. I'm not sure what the plans are as far as overcoming the performance issues and re-enabling sorting of these columns.

                            • 11. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                              Jim_Simon Level 8

                              I do hope plans are made.  That sorting needs to come back, even if you need to remove whatever was added that caused the issue (like sorting in Icon mode, perhaps?)

                               

                              It's not good to break things that once worked fine.

                              • 12. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                sara_p_dc Level 1

                                Do we know if anything has been done to allow sorting of the "date created" column? This column is how all of our data must be organized becasue it chronological, but does not have built-in timecode. So far not having this simple feature has cost me countless hours of sorting and much frustration. it doesnt matter to me if date created is the only column sortable, its the only one i can use for putting hundreds of clips from multiple cameras together. Please do something soon, we really need this feature.

                                • 13. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                  Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                  I think you can only sort for the properties in the first schema: Premiere Pro Project Schema.

                                  Workaround is to put all the clips in one folder on you harddrive.

                                  Sort in Explore on date

                                  Rename all clips

                                  They will now read xxx(1).mov, xxx(2).mov etc.

                                  • 14. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                    sara_p_dc Level 1

                                    "Date Created" is one of those...right? "Date modified", "metadata date" would also be acceptable, although i add the from the "basic" menu option.

                                    I really appreciate your help Ann, and I guess your workaround will have to do for now :/

                                    What do you reccomend i do for projects that are already half-finished? Wont re-importing all of the same 200 clips (many of which are in use) with new names casue some problems with my projects? Do i need to remove the clips i have already imported and re-link them to the freshly renamed files?

                                    • 15. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                      Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                      If the project is half finished I would not mess with the originals.

                                      • 16. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                        Jim_Simon Level 8

                                        Rename all clips

                                         

                                        That's bad advice for solid state media.  This is one that really should be looked at and corrected with the next patch.

                                        • 17. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                          BubbaBeeBoy

                                          Just started editing my first project in Premiere Pro and ran into this.  I can get the "Date Modified" column to show up via the Metadata Display window but I can't actually sort by the date column once it appears in the bin.  I have a dslr shot doc with many clips, no timecode, and the file date/time created is the only way I can logically organize the clips before really diving in. 

                                           

                                          I'm surprised date isn't automatically a basic column and I don't see a logical reason why "performance" would degrade sorting by it any more than sorting by name does.

                                           

                                          Please fix this. 

                                          • 18. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                            spoof Level 1

                                            " I don't see a logical reason why "performance" would degrade sorting by it any more than sorting by name does."

                                            Exactly.

                                             

                                            The only way to edit a video of my kid over the last year is to reinstall an old version of Premiere or rename all the files. I think the reinstalling an old version is much less complicated.

                                            How dumb!

                                            • 19. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                              decker1222 Level 1

                                              What's the deal with this bug, Adobe?

                                               

                                              I'm still unable to sort my bin by a Date field. I mean, really, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm not asking for 4k 3D support with advanced control over every aspect of 3/2 pulldown and colorspaces. I just want to sort my bin by Date Created or Modified.

                                               

                                              Click on Date Created header in the bin. Sort it by that. Click it again and it's sorted in reverse order. It's such a basic, simple thing.

                                              • 20. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                Jim_Simon Level 8

                                                And it used to work perfectly fine...until Adobe added Icon sorting.

                                                • 21. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                  AMomentaryBlip

                                                  "My understanding is that sorting by several columns was purposely disabled due to performance problems that it introduced. An unfortunate tradeoff, but one we deemed necessary. I'm not sure what the plans are as far as overcoming the performance issues and re-enabling sorting of these columns." - Mark Mapes

                                                   

                                                  The issue here is that we can't sort a single column by date modified. Performance isn't an issue, because it's just as easy to sort a single column by name as it is by date modified (barring the difference of strings and integer comparisons. Technically it should be faster.). Removing it shows that it wasn't a decision made by a video editor, but more of a programming mind set. I do both, and I can tell you, I would never EVER suggest the removal of sorting by date modified. Anyone who does video editing frequently enough will use this sorting method a lot.

                                                   

                                                  This is obviously a big issue, and it's even worse given the fact that it is an EXTREMELY easy function to implement. It's just the addition of a comparator (that obviously already existed in previous versions). I could write it myself. I could write a script to implement the same function if there was an API like there is with After Effects CC and Photoshop CC. This issue having not been fixed yet can only come across as blatant neglect. It's irksome.

                                                  • 22. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                    Mark Mapes Adobe Employee

                                                    I think you misunderstood my meaning. When I said "sorting by several columns was purposely disabled," I meant that the ability to sort was turned of for certain properties; my point had nothing to do with sorting by multiple columns.

                                                    Unlike you, I'm not a programmer, so I'm not qualified to comment on whether sorting by date can degrade performance in a project with thousands of assets. However, I trust the assessment of the programmers who are intimately familiar with Premiere Pro's code.

                                                    I encourage you to submit a bug report to register your desire for this to be addressed.

                                                    • 23. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                      AMomentaryBlip Level 1

                                                      Normally, I'd agree with you that the programming team of professionals would be in the right on this, except for:

                                                       

                                                      a.) It was a previously included feature that no one complained about it's performance issues

                                                      b.) Strings (file names) are more complex and harder for a computer to sort, because a single character in a word is made up of multiple numbers, while a date (a Long primitive) is just a number.

                                                      c.) Adobe products are based on Java, and the object oriented display frames have innate sorting methods that you add the behavior sorting algorithm to, if it needs to be anything beyond what's considered "Natural Ordering" which in a name columns case will be alphabetical, and a date's case would be numerical order.

                                                       

                                                      But I don't think I should submit it as a bug, because it's a feature that's been obviously removed on purpose. I think it would be more accurately called a complaint.

                                                      • 24. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                        Mark Mapes Adobe Employee

                                                        In the prior versions where sorting by date worked, the Project panel could not be sorted when in the Icon view. Late in the development cycle when we implemented sorting in icon view, we found that sorting by date had an unacceptable impact on performance. So at that point, with deadlines pressing, the decision was made to disable sorting by date, meaning that real-world users never experienced the performance problems.

                                                         

                                                        So you're welcome to your opinion about how easy this should be to accomplish and how misguided it was to remove this capability. Such opinions, however, have no effect on the product team's decision regarding how high a priority it is to return this lost functionality. Conversely, by submitting a bug report--or, if you prefer, a feature request, which uses the same form--you're making yourself heard directly to the product's management team.

                                                        • 25. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                          Jude Cotter Level 2

                                                          Can you not still sort by name? Most DSLRs increment their naming with each clip, so sorting by name will give (almost) the same results as sorting by date/time created.

                                                           

                                                          I agree that it would be nice to get back the previous functionality, but if it were me on a deadline, I'd be deep in workaround-land.

                                                          • 26. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                            AMomentaryBlip Level 1

                                                            Thanks, Mark, that was some useful information. I suppose when I submit the report I would suggest just allowing the sort by date feature exclusively in a non-icon view.  Better to have it in one view than none.  I just had my office switch to the cloud, and we frequently have to sort files by date modified. Now they have to be manually added to the timeline by date, or have the file names modified to reflect their dates with a renaming utility, which mucks with our other automating software based on file names. It's just a big hassle and I'm discovering that I'm apparently touchy about the subject.

                                                            • 27. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                              jonny9091 Level 1

                                                              Egads...Premiere can't sort clips by DATE? Probably THE most common sorting method along with alphabetically. It really shouldn't matter if one is looking at text or icons. This is just basic computer functionality.

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                                                                BillE_XYZ Level 1

                                                                Unbelievable... unable to sort bins by date created in cs6, how basic,,, just another shot to the foot to get you go to the cloud, where this will be 'fixed', someday, which I will NEVER do...

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                                                                • 29. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                                  Rob Claisse Level 1

                                                                  +1 Just another vote that adding sorting by creation date is a fundamental core feature and can't quite believe its not possible. Added a feature request too.

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                                                                    jonny9091 Level 1

                                                                    So, when one does use icon view, what sorting format is used there exactly? Random? It's not alphabetical. And we know that sorting by creation date is a stumper for the programmers....so how are the icons being sorted?

                                                                    • 31. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                                      Rob Claisse Level 1

                                                                      Just an update for everyone. I submitted a bug report for this Sort by creation date feature and got a great reply from a guy at Adobe. Here's what he said:

                                                                       

                                                                      "This is one of our top feature requests, and we hope to get to it very soon. The reason it's a bit tricky is that metadata like the creation date is stored in the media file and having to read every file during each sort is currently taking way too much time, otherwise, we'd just turn on sorting. So we're working on it."

                                                                       

                                                                      Great to have the actual reason and it make a lot of sense. I guess that in Premiere 6 this meta was not stored in the file, like it is now and that is why they used to be able to support this. So the positive side is that though they haven't found s solution yet it is conceivable they will - its not an impossible task just far from trivial. And when they do work out a solution it should also mean the rest of the custom metadata will then be usable in more ways.

                                                                      • 32. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                                        elfloydo Level 1

                                                                        video clips.  pictures.  same camera.  same project.  thousands of files.  I just purchased the Creative Cloud to bring myself into the 21st century... old pentium has gone bye-bye... I had a computer custom built with the ideal number of drives to maximize my ability to edit and render videos efficiently.

                                                                         

                                                                        Then, I start Premiere Pro and attempt to get acquainted with new features by building a simple movie from my daughter's soccer game.  Again, video and pictures intermixed.  This should be so simple... bring in source material, sort by date created, move to timeline, edit, render, done.  EXCEPT THAT I can't sort by date??????????????????????????

                                                                        Are you kidding me??????????????????

                                                                        EVERY SINGLE FILM EDITING SOFTWARE ON THE PLANET as well as just about every other software program on the planet allows for date sort.

                                                                         

                                                                        Seriously, who the heck cares about icons???  A cute picture versus text results is rendering Premiere Pro completely worthless.  The amount of time it would take to manually add each individual file (video or pic) to the timeline in the proper order is astronomical.  Seriously, in what meeting and which managers were present that decided, "Hey, let's take away all efficiency of our product and replace it with a cute picture."

                                                                         

                                                                        Someone in the meeting had to have asked, "Won't our loyal customers notice they can't do what they have been doing for years and years and years and get upset with us and stop using our products?" and "Won't new customers realize our new version of Premiere Pro is a lesser product than Microsoft Movie Maker?"

                                                                         

                                                                        What was the answer to the question?  Don't bother, we all know the answer to the question, provided from a loyal Adobe staffer above:  "... you're welcome to your opinion about how easy this should be to accomplish and how misguided it was to remove this capability. Such opinions, however, have no effect on the product team's decision..."  IN OTHER WORDS, ADOBE SIMPLY DIDN'T GIVE A DARN WHAT THEIR CUSTOMERS THOUGHT.


                                                                        WHY?  THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON WHY THERE IS NOT AT LEAST ONE efficient SORT FUNCTIONALITY.  Seriously, it's not like we are talking about some cheap silly app from the App Store or Play Store that has bugs... THIS IS ADOBE FOR GOODNESS SAKE!!   PREMIERE PRO!!! 


                                                                        HELLO... IS ANYBODY LISTENING?  IF YOU ARE, HOW ABOUT YOU COME OVER AND SORT ALL THIS FOOTAGE FOR ME SO I CAN GET THE PROJECT DONE. 

                                                                         

                                                                        NEVERMIND, I will just cancel my order with the cloud and go back in time and use Microsoft Movie Maker... hey, at least it has lots of sort features.

                                                                         

                                                                        Good Grief.  What a total disappointment.  What will I find next, that I can't use layers in Photoshop?

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                                                                        • 33. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                                          elfloydo Level 1

                                                                          "taking too much time"

                                                                           

                                                                          If it took ten times longer than it used to take to sort... it would be worth it.  The amount of time it would take to sort all the files individually is completely insane to even consider.  Until this self created problem is fixed ("turned back on"), Premiere Pro is basically a completely worthless product.  Literally, this is of no use or value.  Microsoft Movie Maker is a better option.  Good Grief. 

                                                                           

                                                                          TURN SORT ON NOW, PLEASE.

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                                                                          • 34. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                                            jonny9091 Level 1

                                                                            I don't know why they can't have sort by date available for list view, and off for icon view?

                                                                            It's ridiculous that a "professional" video editing program in 2015 can't sort clips by date.

                                                                             

                                                                            I can't even tell the other editors here (all Media Composer users), because they will LAUGH me out of the room.

                                                                            • 35. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                                              Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                                                              Hello El Floydo,

                                                                              elfloydo wrote:

                                                                               

                                                                              "taking too much time"

                                                                               

                                                                              If it took ten times longer than it used to take to sort... it would be worth it. 

                                                                               

                                                                              Currently, the only way this could be implemented is by sorting XMP data, which is not only slow but makes your project subject to hanging. What we hope to implement is a different way of sorting that does not rely dealing with XMP data. It's going to take extra engineering cycles to implement a new scheme to sort.

                                                                               

                                                                              elfloydo wrote:

                                                                               

                                                                              TURN SORT ON NOW, PLEASE.

                                                                               

                                                                              I understand your frustration and I apologize that this affects your workflow. I'd ask you to make a feature request, but currently the form is down. In a few days when the form's back up, please add your voice. Here is the link: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

                                                                               

                                                                              Thanks,

                                                                              Kevin

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                                                                                Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                                                                Hi Jonny,

                                                                                jonny9091 wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                I don't know why they can't have sort by date available for list view, and off for icon view?

                                                                                It's ridiculous that a "professional" video editing program in 2015 can't sort clips by date.

                                                                                 

                                                                                It's an issue that we know about and are working on. Sorry if it is affecting your workflow negatively. Unfortunately, the issue is a little more complicated than it seems from the outside looking in. I will advocate for this feature request, so I hope we can implement a fast sorting feature sooner rather than later.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Thanks,

                                                                                Kevin

                                                                                • 37. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                                                  decker1222 Level 1

                                                                                  I have since discovered that PP can't sort by almost any of the metadata contained in a file. Date Created and Date Modified are probably the most used out of that data, and what we're currently requesting in this thread. However you also can't sort by any EXIF data such as Colorspace, F-Stop, EXIF version, etc. Likewise you can't sort by Rating, which is a bit aggravating as well.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Go ahead and open up your Metadata Display... options, enable several things, and add a bunch of videos and pictures and you'll see how limited you are by sorting. It's a shame that PP can't simply use the file system's Date Created/Modified as a sort option instead of pulling it from Metadata.

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                                                                                    steevkn Level 1

                                                                                    just come across this problem, go pro used by a few people, generates consecutive spanning files xxx, 10xxx, 20xxx, 30xxx etc. The only way to get these files in a bin in order is to sort on creation date which PP CC can't do!

                                                                                     

                                                                                    A fairy basic request of a professional edit system?

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Bin - sort by date created (basic metadata) bug in CC?
                                                                                      decker1222 Level 1

                                                                                      steevkn wrote:

                                                                                       

                                                                                      just come across this problem, go pro used by a few people, generates consecutive spanning files xxx, 10xxx, 20xxx, 30xxx etc. The only way to get these files in a bin in order is to sort on creation date which PP CC can't do!

                                                                                       

                                                                                      A fairy basic request of a professional edit system?

                                                                                      As I wrote above, you actually can't sort by ANY of a file's metadata, and Date Created/Date Modified are considered meta data, even though we're used to seeing it as "file system data". You would run into the same problem if you wanted to sort your files by F-stop or what camera model you used. Those are stored in the EXIF metadata and thus, you can't sort by them.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      We all shouted for this to be fixed in many threads for CC, and yet it wasn't addressed in CC 2014, a year or two later. I have my doubts Adobe can do anything to fix it - it seems like they made some bad decisions during their bin programming routines and can't patch it in. I enjoy using Premiere but as someone said above, I'm would be embarrassed if one of my Media Composer friends saw the workflow I had to go through simply to sort my clips (involving renaming files and using .bat files like it was 1995).

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Hopefully we'll finally see it fixed when they release Adobe Premiere CC 2018 v25.5.1.5.

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