24 Replies Latest reply on Jun 19, 2013 12:51 PM by peter minneapolis

    How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?

    Mike Fernbank Level 1

      I made the large leap from InDesign CS3 to CS6 and imagine my surprise when I saw that this version of ID still does not give you a way to print just part of a page. Am I just missing something? Since this is supposed to be a unified "suite" of applications, I assumed that simple thngs—like the print dialog—would have simlar features. Not so. In Illustrator you get a thumbnail image and you can drag the image around to print just a part of the page. The ID print diaglog is mostly unchanged from it's earliest version. The AI print dialog is very useful when trying to proof large format print jobs on a small format printer. In fact, it makes more sense for ID than Illustrator, but it is not there. I'm hoping that I'm simply missing something easy. Right now I have to export as a PDF and open in AI one page at a time. Very laborious. I have to say, for a "suite" this group of apps are more different than alike. Thanks in advance for any help.

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        • 1. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
          Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

          You cannot compre a graphic application with a layout application. But what you can do is to export the file to pdf and in Acrobat or Reader use the snapshoot tool, drag a rectangle with it and then you can print the selection.

          • 2. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
            Mike Fernbank Level 1

            Thanks, Wili, as I mentioned in my post that is what I do already. I just do it with AI instead of Acrobat. I have to disagree with you on your conjecture about rules of comparison. You CAN compare parts of any applications where those parts perform identical duties. It is not an "all or nothing" thing. The print dialogs in both AI and ID serve the exact same purpose. You could compare the print dialogs in a CAD program, too, if you wanted. They all do the same thing. It is curious to me why they feel this feature is good for AI, but bad for ID. It should be in both. Heck, by calling it a "suite" of applications they are confirming the fact that there are similarities in the programs. Certain things should work the same, but they don't: hyphenization, for example, should be the same but it isn't. Creating gradiants should be the same, but isn't. Align/Distribute should be the same, and they are. These two applications are very, very similar and should behave with the same commands (especially keyboard commands) as much as possible. The print dialog in ID is an example of an egregious lack of focus by Adobe and understanding on how the application is used.

            • 3. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
              Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

              You can also set up tiling. Manual tiling is a bit of a pain, but it can be done if you don't want to break the page into a grid.

              • 4. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                That is NOT true. Illustrator is a program without pages. It has no pages. It has artboards. But that is a complete different thing. Illustrator is supposed to have content put around on very different places. InDesign is a page orientated application. It follows complete different premisses. So here is a huge difference in the purpose of both programs.

                • 5. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                  Mike Fernbank Level 1

                  Yes, tiling is a good idea. That might work, although it is really sad that the thumbnail box does not have an image. It just has a blank rectangle, circa 1987 when computers with 4mb of RAM and 160mb hard drives were considered graphic design powerhouse machines. Thanks for the tip; I had forgotten about that option that would save me a couple of steps.

                  • 6. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                    Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                    BTW I saw that you are opening pdf created in ID in Illustrator. You should not do so, because it will destroy fonts. And you will get a very different result than what you have done in InDesign.

                    The ony pdfs which are to open in Illustrator are those created in Illustrator with Illustrator editing capabilities.

                    • 7. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                      Mike Fernbank Level 1

                      Willi, you are not reading what I am writing and you are missing the point. I am comparing the print dialog boxes, not the programs. I know they have different purposes and in the graphic design world they must seem vastly different. In the context of the whole world, however, which includes GIS mapping, Word, Excel, and fund-raising applications that cover all of the professions, they are very similar. In the little world of graphic design they look different, but to the outside observer they are very similar. That is not what I'm talking about, anyway. I'm talking about the print dialog boxes. Why does Adobe think that printing a part of a page is important for Illustrator and not important for InDesign? That my question. I'm not comparing the two applications at all, but because they both output design compostiions I feel this feature is useful to both.

                      • 8. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                        Mike Fernbank Level 1

                        If this is supposed to be a "suite" why would it destroy the fonts in one application and not the other? That isn't important for my purposes, but thanks for the tip. You never know if in the future it will be!

                        • 9. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                          Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                          You are missing the point: Due to the fact that the programs are completely different they cannot have the same printing dialog. That dialog is not part of the suite it is part of the program.

                          • 10. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                            Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                            Every application has a different type engine and processes type different. Illustrator and Photoshop are similliar, but a pdf from Photoshop has other issues when opened in Illustrator.

                            But this is generally a basic that you should never open a pdf in Illustrator, Ai is a pdf cretor not a pdf parser.

                            • 11. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                              Mike Fernbank Level 1

                              Nope, you are dead wrong. I can compare them because I am comparing them. I see one company: Adobe. I see two applications for the design industry that have different functions. I am wondering why the partial page and visual thumbnail is considered important for Illustratior, but not for InDesign. It is the same company that is producing them, so why does one have this feature and one does not? Both are designed to produce large format output, so it would be a useful feature for both. That is all I'm saying and asking. Quit harping about how they are different. I know and I don't care. I'm talking about printing.

                              • 12. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                                But you don't have a clue on the basics of each of these programs. No, one is graphic, the other is layout. If both had the same purpose one would be to much.

                                No one will design brochures in Illustrator nor wll anyone create grphics or maps in InDesign. Bot are dedicated to different purposes.

                                Illustrator has no pages, but InDesign prints pages. And if you need a selection to be printed do it in Acrobat.

                                • 13. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                  John Mensinger Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                  The theory of your point is not lost on me, Mike...BUT...your repeated arguement about the apps being a "suite" has no viable fulcrum, in light of the reality:

                                   

                                  It's long been admitted, established, and lamented that the Creative Suite apps, unfortunately, were neither conceived nor constructed in suite form, and that the histories of their respective code bases differ so widely, there is very little possibility of "unification" of features and functions. It's best just to avoid that line of thinking. It has no bearing.

                                  • 14. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                    Mike Fernbank Level 1

                                    Sorry. I didn't realize that the suite concept was an accepted fiction within the industry. I thought that the apps had been re-written to make them more unified. There is no reason, however, that they cannot share features within the confined space of the print dialog. As I said, both applications are designed to be capable of printing out large format images, regardless that one is for page layout and one is for illustration. In this way they are similar (which, Willi, is NOT synonomous with saying they are identical) and should share some features that address this use. You should be able to tile in Illustrator, for example, but I don't know if you can or not, and you should be able to proof-print a section of a large poster in InDesign. That is all I'm saying. I don't know why this begat an argument about which application should be used for which project. That is not pertinant to my question.

                                    • 15. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                      Joel Cherney Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                      In this way they are similar [,,,] and should share some features that address this use.

                                      That value judgment ("should") is seemingly not shared by anyone at Adobe who exercises managerial oversight over both InDesign and Illustrator development teams.

                                       

                                      I thought that the apps had been re-written to make them more unified.

                                      It seems that they have, in some ways - just not the way that you need.

                                       

                                      you should be able to proof-print a section of a large poster in InDesign.

                                      There's that value judgment "should" again.   You can, but not without a bit of work:

                                       

                                      When I need to do this, I typically place the large-format document into a second, empty, letter-size InDesign document, and then resize the frame to grab just the bit I want to print out. Sometimes I will manually place the same image n times, then resize the frames and use the handy green whatchamacallit smart guides to ensure that all of my preview-frames are the same size. Then I manually move 'em to new pages. If I have to do this for a large number of identically sized posters (say, a H1N1 poster in forty languages) then I will save my proof-template, and then simply print -> relink to the the next poster -> print -> relink to the next poster, until I've printed out proofs for all forty posters.

                                       

                                      It's not that your need here is unusual or irrational, but it's clear that the tool in question doesn't have the feature that will automagically do this for you. It's a shame that your thread was derailed into a discussion of, what, product management? But rest assured: yes, the app will do what you need; no, the app will not do it all easily without some manual work.

                                      • 16. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                        Joel Cherney Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                        Er, I suppose I meant that no one at Adobe who exercises managerial oversight over both InDesign and Illustrator development teams feels that this particular feature, or that the print dialog in general, must be harmonized to share features across the suite. Some features (e.g. the new dark interface) are getting this kind of standardization attention.

                                        • 17. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                          Mike Fernbank Level 1

                                          Thanks, that's the best idea yet. I have 20 or so large panels, and the link and re-link idea sounds like a winner. I basically have to check the same part of each. Thanks again for the tip. Very cleaver.

                                          • 18. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                            Mike Fernbank Level 1

                                            Yes, it really erks me that they spend so much time and money on pointless, superficial changes (not improvements). Dark background; big deal. Perhaps they should try to keep InDesign from choking on .eps files (their own format!) and other productivity failures before they play with their color charts. That's another discussion...and the problem with monopolies.

                                            • 19. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                              peter minneapolis Level 4

                                              Yes, it seems dumb not to have suite members not play well together, not to share nearly all their genetic makeup. It's understandable, perhaps, when embarking on a path to integrate disparate products.

                                               

                                              But, this may be part of the reasoning behind not actually tossing everything from every individual into the common melting pot:

                                               

                                              I have a faint memory of having heard or read something about laws that make it necessary for a company to isolate development groups. I can't pin down the issue, but there's something about being able to identify costs for each unique product or project, either for taxing issues, profit/loss reporting, and/or separability for the purpose of selling off one unit without giving away proprietary corporate-wide trade secrets. General Motors owns/owned the rights to all or much of SAAB's software, even after SAAB was sold by GM. Selling the SAAB corporation was bollixed up until the purchaser's rights in the software were clarified. I don't know the details, but the point is buying a factory, inventory, plans, talent, workforce, etc. are useless if you don't get control/ownership of the software that runs the product.

                                               

                                               

                                              HTH

                                               

                                               

                                              Regards,

                                               

                                               

                                              Peter

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                                              • 20. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                                Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                                                Mike Fernbank schrieb:

                                                 

                                                … Perhaps they should try to keep InDesign from choking on .eps files (their own format!) and other productivity failures …

                                                You should realize that InDesign and Illustrator support eps completely, but it is an old format which is not capable to do a lot of things like transparency. Not the reason that InDesign or Illustrator cannot support eps is the reason, the reason is that with pdf and ai and psd we have much better oprtunities.

                                                Not that the Distiller is bad, but export is much better.

                                                 

                                                And what other productivity failures do you mean? Name it.

                                                • 21. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                                  Mike Fernbank Level 1

                                                  Well, I'm not going to drop everything to make a list, but I'll give a few examples. First, as an industrial designer, it is my professional opinion that the two applications have so much overlap one should be folded into the other. I'd keep AI and give it page layout ability. The conventional wisdom that the two applications have totally seperate functions is a fiction cleaverly marketed by Adobe, the idea being if you do a multi-page layout in AI or a single illustration in ID you are an amateur. This is simply not true. Many layouts fall into a gray area. Anyway, some specifics: hyphenation is handled differently, gradients are handled differently in both programs. They should be the same. The lasso tool does not behave as a lasso tool does in every other application, meaning it should select everything inside, not what it touches and what is inside (it should at least be a option.) AI cannot draw arcs or circles. An arc is a curve defined at a minimum by start and/or finish angle, included angle, radius and center point. A circle is a special arc of 360 degrees defined by diameter, radius and center point. Both shapes should be manipulated by these salient features. AI can do none of this. It is still very hard to simply clip a shape, the Pathfinder palette is overly complicated and obtuse. In AI, if a photo has a clipping mask the program behaves as if the entire photo is exposed. For example, an allign left command will align with the hidden part of the photo, not the visible part. In both applications you cannot select "through" an object. For example, if you have a bunch of rectangles with no fill stacked on each other you should be able to click on any of the strokes and select it (as may CAD programs do.) Instead, it behaves as if the objects are filled and you either have to put them on different layers and turn them on and off or do the clumsy "select next object below" menu. Both are painfully slow. I could go on, but there are many, many others.

                                                  • 22. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                                    peter minneapolis Level 4

                                                    Hi, Mike:

                                                     

                                                    (I hope my wry humor, where it appears, comes through.)

                                                     

                                                    First of all, there's an unfortunate tendency to respond to long lists like yours as the whining of a negative person.

                                                     

                                                    In truth, irritations often yield improvement, like a grain of sand in an oyster that eventually generates a pearl. Yeah, it takes patience. It's probably uncomfortable for the oyster throughout its lifetime of creating something beautiful for someone who'll appreciate its "to-die-for" beauty and value. 

                                                     

                                                    Steve Jobs forced the delay of releasing the first iPhone when he found out how easily the display became scratched by keys in the pocket with his phone. AND!!! a cheap replaceable transparent overlay was NOT A SOLUTION TO ANYTHING except selling more cheap plasstic overlays!!!

                                                     

                                                    I don't have enough experience with the things you mention to know if your ideas are good or not. But it's clear that you're able to identify things that could be looked at and evaluated by folks who can do something about evaluating them. One thing you could consider is joining an Adobe pre-release team (aka "beta testing".) It's a bit like this recruiting ad that's often attributed to the antarctic explorer Shackleton: 

                                                     

                                                    "Men wanted for hazardous journey. Low wages, bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness. Safe return doubtful. Honour and recognition in event of success."

                                                     

                                                    But it's worse and it's better. Its wages are lower than low, they're none. The only honor/honour and recognition come from working with intelligent volunteers like yourself and with developers, and the knowledge that success is contributing something useful that can come back to you and other users. As to cold, and long hours in the dark - you tele-work wherever and whenever you choose. Unless you're a hyper-addictable type, there's no doubt about safe return.

                                                     

                                                    You can apply to join the community here: https://prerelease.adobe.com/login.html

                                                     

                                                    Good luck! if you decide to follow up.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    Regards,

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    Peter

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                                                    Mike Fernbank wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Well, I'm not going to drop everything to make a list, but I'll give a few examples. First, as an industrial designer, it is my professional opinion that the two applications have so much overlap one should be folded into the other. I'd keep AI and give it page layout ability. The conventional wisdom that the two applications have totally seperate functions is a fiction cleaverly marketed by Adobe, the idea being if you do a multi-page layout in AI or a single illustration in ID you are an amateur. This is simply not true. Many layouts fall into a gray area. Anyway, some specifics: hyphenation is handled differently, gradients are handled differently in both programs. They should be the same. The lasso tool does not behave as a lasso tool does in every other application, meaning it should select everything inside, not what it touches and what is inside (it should at least be a option.) AI cannot draw arcs or circles. An arc is a curve defined at a minimum by start and/or finish angle, included angle, radius and center point. A circle is a special arc of 360 degrees defined by diameter, radius and center point. Both shapes should be manipulated by these salient features. AI can do none of this. It is still very hard to simply clip a shape, the Pathfinder palette is overly complicated and obtuse. In AI, if a photo has a clipping mask the program behaves as if the entire photo is exposed. For example, an allign left command will align with the hidden part of the photo, not the visible part. In both applications you cannot select "through" an object. For example, if you have a bunch of rectangles with no fill stacked on each other you should be able to click on any of the strokes and select it (as may CAD programs do.) Instead, it behaves as if the objects are filled and you either have to put them on different layers and turn them on and off or do the clumsy "select next object below" menu. Both are painfully slow. I could go on, but there are many, many others.

                                                    • 23. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                                      Mike Fernbank Level 1

                                                      Thanks, Peter. In my case I certainly wasn't whining, I was asked for a list. Also, my job is designing things for people, specifically I design museum exhibitions. The process is pretty much the same. So when I say something is poorly implimented I'm speaking from over 30 years of seeing things done wrong and evaluating how they should be done correctly. Adobe is a garden variety case of a monopoly not needing to be concerned about having happy clients. The clients have no where else to turn (since the competition was either bought or marginalized). I'm very familiar with Shakleton's journey since have covered that here where I work. I serve on quite few committees for city planning and consult other not-for-profits institutions. In Adobe's case, since they are a for profit company, I'd only work for them if they pay me. I'm not going to give away my expertise for free to just any institution, it's how I make my living. Thanks for the suggestion!

                                                      Mike

                                                      • 24. Re: How to print part of an InDesign CS6 page?
                                                        peter minneapolis Level 4

                                                        Mike Fernbank wrote:

                                                         

                                                        Thanks, Peter. In my case I certainly wasn't whining, I was asked for a list. Also, my job is designing things for people, specifically I design museum exhibitions. The process is pretty much the same. So when I say something is poorly implimented I'm speaking from over 30 years of seeing things done wrong and evaluating how they should be done correctly. Adobe is a garden variety case of a monopoly not needing to be concerned about having happy clients. The clients have no where else to turn (since the competition was either bought or marginalized). I'm very familiar with Shakleton's journey since have covered that here where I work. I serve on quite few committees for city planning and consult other not-for-profits institutions. In Adobe's case, since they are a for profit company, I'd only work for them if they pay me. I'm not going to give away my expertise for free to just any institution, it's how I make my living. Thanks for the suggestion!

                                                        Mike

                                                        You're welcome, Mike.

                                                         

                                                        Anybody who's been doing public museum exhibitions for as long as you have, must be doing something right.

                                                         

                                                        You could consider that the visitors aren't paying you, the museum pays you to attract visitors who will pay for the enrichment your exhibits provide.

                                                         

                                                        Adobe doesn't force folks to become volunteer pre-release testers. Most who do join are very smart and dedicated to being very selfish - they want something of value in exchange for testing. It varies by individual, but some of the valuable things are:

                                                         

                                                        • filing feature requests and bugs for inclusion or fixing in upcoming releases, with a stronger and better-directed voice that has a great chance to influence product development than posting them with public form here Wishform
                                                        • being able to discuss the case for a requested feature with those who set priorities for what gets developed, and when, and with those who develop those features
                                                        • advanced knowledge of the features in upcoming releases that can help in planning whether upgrading will have value that justifies the cost and/or effort
                                                        • being able to evaluate and learn the new stuff before it's released,, use it for one's own professional purposes, and/or deliver it in the training, consulting, and instructional materials they create and perform on the first day the product ships

                                                         

                                                        Based on your list and comments, you have good ideas. Maybe this sounds like the kind of reward your job already affords you in addition to salary. If you don't have the bandwidth to consider applying to the pre-release program, at least consider filing your feature requests with the public wishform using the link above - airing comments here doesn't get them into the system. Good user suggestions often are incorporated into products, and users always benefit.

                                                         

                                                        Regards,

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        Peter

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