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    Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue

    oliewdj Level 1

      In cs6 you could directly render out of AE to h.264 via render queue.

      Now there is no option in the dropdown, only avi, jpg sequence. dpx  etc. is this intentional to have to use AME to render out?

       

      thanks

      Oli

        • 2. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
          oliewdj Level 1

          Thanks Mylenium

           

          glad its not a problem, ill use AME from now on.

           

          Oli

          • 3. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
            Paul Slemmer Level 1

            Nearly half of the times I render H.264 from AE, I am doing it with render settings other than Best.  (eg. Half resolution, Motion Blur off)  From what I was told, we will have to wait a few more releases for those settings to be controlled from AME.  (Currently Source Settings only has control of Guide layers.)

             

            What would you suggest to take the place of my workflow?

            • 4. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
              Todd_Kopriva Level 8

              Follow the link that Mylenium gave for details, including how to restore these formats to the render queue using a new preference setting.

              • 5. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                Paul Slemmer Level 1

                Ah, yes.  Thank you, I think I had seen that a long time ago and forgot.

                 

                I appreciate the consideration your team puts into their work, Todd.  Count me among the number looking for more source settings control from within AME.

                • 6. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                  Mailo34 Level 1

                  well but render via AME i cant use the high speed multithread rendering as im used to in AAE, stop me someone if Im wrong, but I just tried that..

                  • 7. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                    Todd_Kopriva Level 8

                    Correct, you can't use Render Multiple Frames Simultaneously multiprocessing when rendering and exporting through AME.

                     

                    But, even if you need that feature, you still shouldn't be exporting H.264 or MPEG-2 files directly out of After Effects.

                     

                    You can render and export a losslessly compressed master file out of After Effects and have it go into a watch folder, from which AME will pick it up and create your final deliverables in H.264 and other formats.

                    • 8. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                      Rick Gerard Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      high speed multithread rendering only works with a small set of plug-ins and codecs. Throw in any unsupported feature and enabling this feature will kill your render speeds.

                       

                      I find it much more efficient to have MP turned off, add my completed comps to the AME, and continue working on more projects in AE or PPro or whatever while the renders are happening. I don't charge for rendering unless the project needs to be sent to a render farm or is so big that it's going to tie up my systems and cause me to loose billable time on other projects. Completely tying up machine resources to render is a huge waste of my time. In the long run you should find that using the AME and continuing to work on other projects is a lot more efficient.

                      • 9. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                        torgeirholm Level 1

                        Workflows differ, and your suggested workflow doesn't work for us. We constantly generate H.264 files for client review throughout a project - directly from After Effects, with no desire whatsoever to create a master file for each iteration. Deliverables go via a lossless format of course, but that is usually only one or two out of sometimes as many as 50-60 renders on a project.The AME workflow was tried out, and promptly abandoned. Show Deprecated Formats is now enabled, and we're happy again!

                        • 10. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                          Rick Gerard Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          I do the same thing, generate client review files all day long, but I am using the AME while I continue to work with AE. I can not afford to sit around for even 10 minutes while a file is rendering. When I'm working on a production in AE the only time I'm not actively working on a project is when I'm having lunch or I have to shift focus to another project. AE's render cue is now only rarely used.

                           

                          The only exception is the rare occasion when I must use AE's ray traced rendering. The integration of C4D LTE has almost completely made this a non issue for me.

                          • 11. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                            PeterLanister Level 1

                            Why Adobe has decided to put the codecs out of AE???

                            It´s kinda anoying to cue it on AME. I would like to do the rendering in AE and not have running another Program (AME)

                            The render wont get faster and the ram is melting down.

                            • 12. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                              Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              PeterLanister wrote:

                               

                              Why Adobe has decided to put the codecs out of AE???

                              It´s kinda anoying to cue it on AME. I would like to do the rendering in AE and not have running another Program (AME)

                              The render wont get faster and the ram is melting down.

                              First of all, you can render h.264 out of AE - instructions for how to bring those codecs back are in the link already given in this thread.

                               

                              Also already given in this thread is the answer to your question. AE is NOT a good choice for making h.264. This has been mentioned several times. You would save yourself time and frustration if you were to read the thread before posting in it.

                              • 13. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                RottingAlien Level 1

                                As there was no direct answer and only people sending you to other links here it is:
                                just go to Edit -> Preferences -> output -> enable Show Deprecated Formats.

                                 

                                I hate to go trough AME too.. those who say after effects is not good to export h.264 are not worthy of even using AE in my opinion.. it always exported nice and faster than media encoder for me.

                                 

                                cheers

                                • 14. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                  Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                  RottingAlien wrote:

                                   

                                  Those who say after effects is not good to export h.264 are not worthy of even using AE in my opinion.

                                  Even though one of those people (Todd Kopriva) is an Adobe employee whose entire job is working on After Effects?

                                  • 16. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                    hami1car Level 1

                                    Here's the reality. Adobe is removing the option to use those codecs in After Effects in the next update. So you can stop it with the "it's no big deal, just click the box" rubbish. It's ALWAYS been a big deal because when a company deprecates something, *It's going away*. They're just giving you warning first. And here comes the ax.

                                     

                                    http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2014/04/new-changed-after-effects-cc-2014.html

                                     

                                    And frankly, this condescending "you should be using AME anyway" attitude displayed by some people, especially some very regular posters here, is unhelpful and rude. The fact is, lots of people use the H.264 exporter for quick previews, where quality doesn't matter and speed does. These are paying customers that gain nothing but a headache from Adobe's moves here.

                                    • 17. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                      Tim Kurkoski Adobe Employee

                                      hami1car, you are correct that in the upcoming release of After Effects CC, the option to enable H.264 has been removed. To render a comp to H.264 you will need to use AME. Other formats, including MPEG2, FLV, and WMV, have also been removed in the same fashion.

                                       

                                      Although we've removed them, we've never said that the H.264 and MPEG2 formats are not coming back to the After Effects render queue. In fact, we want to bring them back in a better form than they've existed in the past few versions of After Effects. This will likely happen as tighter integration with AME, although if we do it right you shouldn't notice the difference. This will be a significant amount of work and must fit in with other improvements we have planned for After Effects. It's not something you'll see soon, but it is on our roadmap.

                                       

                                      It's worth reiterating here why we removed H.264 and these other formats from the After Effects render queue. The code we were using for these formats was old and buggy, and was not maintainable. Modernizing this code would be a significant amount of work. The After Effects team instead chose to use AME as the path for these formats. AME has an entire team of software developers dedicated to encoding workflows, while we on the After Effects team focus on core motion graphics, compositing, and VFX workflows.


                                      hami1car, I see that you've been posting on the AME forum and asking questions about the After Effects workflow. Please also submit feature requests to the AME team where you see need for improvement.

                                      • 18. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                        hami1car Level 1

                                        Thanks for your reply Tim. I understand that your team faces some significant engineering hurdles to update your encoding code, but I'm at a loss to understand why you'd pull something out that people use on a VERY regular basis. Just the number of people asking where the codecs went in this forum should be a huge red flag. Fixing that seems like an obvious no-brainer when it comes to resource allocation. Is something like Mercury Transmit really going to affect more people than being able to directly export files to the most popular video codec in the world?

                                         

                                        With the render queue, I can pick a render preset, and output preset, hit render and walk away with the confidence that I'll get the results I expect. However, since that option has been taken away. I'm trying to understand the workflow. I've posted these questions, but so far I haven't gotten any solutions. I presume you're an expert, so I'll pose them to you:

                                         

                                        1. The first render I tried went wrong because it only rendered the work area in AME, and I can't find any way to make it default to the full comp. So now I get to change that setting individually every time, or manually scrub through every comp and make sure the work area is set to the full comp. Every time. I can guarantee this is going to get missed and I'm going to hosed by it.  Is there something I'm missing?
                                        2. AME doesn't show how long individual renders take, and clears it every time you close the app, so there's no way to see how long the individual renders are taking without a stopwatch. I'm guessing users are just out of luck on this.
                                        3. AME's watch folders (already a clunky solution) fill up my drive with huge intermediate files I don't need, and apparently I have to manually go back and clean that up. Is there a setting for this?
                                        • 19. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                          Tim Kurkoski Adobe Employee

                                          Your comparison of the changes we've made to formats in the render queue to the changes we've made to video preview (ie., Mercury Transmit) is not useful. These changes had different circumstances driving our decisions. It's not relevant to your problems, but since the conversation has diverged slightly to include how the After Effects team makes decisions, I'll illuminate these two issues a bit:

                                          • Changing video preview to use Mercury Transmit was necessary because the API we were using on Mac OS was deprecated by Apple and also causing After Effects to crash in unrelated circumstances. Not doing this work would have resulted in a poor experience for all users on Mac OS regardless of whether or not they use video preview to an external monitor.
                                          • The main reason we removed H.264 and other formats from the render queue is because the code was buggy and not being maintained. Also contributing to is the fact that only some After Effects users encode to these formats. Adding to that, AME provides a solution to encode a comp to these formats. Those factors combined are what made us decide that our efforts would be better spent supporting the AME workflow, rather than to continue to maintain the formats in the render queue directly. We are aware that this means that users have to learn a new workflow, and also that there is some loss of functionality; AME is not a 1:1 replacement for the render queue.

                                           

                                          Back to the main thread of the conversation...

                                           

                                          I understand you're frustrated about the change to the AME workflow for H.264 because some of the functionality you found useful in the render queue is missing, or at least requires extra steps. I'll do my best to answer your questions 1-3, but as much as I know about the application I'm not the ultimate guru of AME. Other people on the forums may be able to give you better advice than me.

                                           

                                          1. There is not a way that I'm aware of to make AME always default to the entire composition length. Adding such a control as an option is a good feature request for the AME team. You will need to either change that setting on your exports individually, or change the work area on your composition to the entire composition length (double-click on the work area bar) before you send the comp to AME.
                                          2. The encoding time for each item in AME's queue is written in the encoding log. Choose File > View Log to access it. You can also click on the Status column hot text (Done, Stopped, etc.) for completed items. You can prevent AME from clearing old items in the queue by disabling the Remove completed items from queue on exit option in Preferences > General.
                                          3. From your post on the AME forum, I assume you are using AME's watch folders by having After Effects write an intermediate file, which AME then processes to your selected preset. No, there is not a function to have AME automatically delete the source file. Again, such a control as an option is a good feature request for the AME team. I know they're aware of the shortcomings of AME's watch folder implementation, so feedback about how you think it should work will be appreciated.

                                           

                                          To reiterate: please submit feature requests for AME, After Effects, or any Adobe application whenever the idea occurs to you. They do get read by human beings. On the After Effects team, Todd Kopriva reads our submissions and catalogues them, and we use the collective data from all users to help guide future development of After Effects. The AME team does the same.

                                          • 20. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                            hami1car Level 1

                                            I just bumped into a rendering error with vector art in AME, when rendering an comp. Who's responsibility is it to fix this? The AE team because it's an AE Comp or the AME team because the rendering is happening there?

                                             

                                            I see you've moved my question about rendering the comp work area to the AME forum, so I'm guessing this is now their problem as well? (Ok, it's really my problem, because it's 11:15pm and now I have to redo three renders for a client tonight because of this.)

                                            • 21. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                              Tim Kurkoski Adobe Employee

                                              I did not move any of your posts. Another forum moderator may have done so, thinking that it may have fit that forum better and thus would garner an answer faster.

                                               

                                              Questions about encoding After Effects comps in AME can go in either forum. The issue of where to post comes down to which forum you think you'll get a better answer from.

                                               

                                              I recommend you start a new thread in this forum with the rendering error you're getting. Please provide details. Screenshots are helpful.

                                              • 22. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                hami1car Level 1

                                                Well, you're off the hook on this one. I had a comp that had awful aliasing on some bright magenta vector art in the final H.264 output from AME. I thought it was AME (the preview in AME implied it would encode crystal clear), but then I got the same result rendering in AE.

                                                 

                                                After further testing, the files were ok. Apparently it was an issue displaying them with Quicktime Player for Windows. They appeared much better when viewed in AE. Bizarre.

                                                 

                                                Thanks for your response.

                                                • 23. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                  Vhalor Level 1

                                                  Ok... so no h264 in AE anymore.. but I am a cloud user and I don't see Adobe Media Encoder available for download and install. Do I not have the option to get this program through creative cloud?

                                                  • 24. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                    Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                    It should be already on your system if you have Premiere and After Effects.

                                                    • 25. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                      Todd_Kopriva Level 8

                                                      AME is installed with After Effects.

                                                      • 27. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                        olliew Level 1

                                                        I'm trying to re-enable.

                                                        The link says "If you need to be able to export these formats directly from After Effects, you can re-enable them by setting the preference Show Deprecated Formats In Output Module Settings in the Output preferences category."

                                                         

                                                        I can't find where this option is!


                                                        Please help. I don't like using. Adobe Media Encoder.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        Thankyou!

                                                        • 28. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                          Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                          olliew wrote:

                                                           

                                                          I'm trying to re-enable.

                                                          The link says "If you need to be able to export these formats directly from After Effects, you can re-enable them by setting the preference Show Deprecated Formats In Output Module Settings in the Output preferences category."

                                                           

                                                          I can't find where this option is!


                                                          Please help. I don't like using. Adobe Media Encoder.

                                                          Unless I'm forgetting, that feature was only available in version 12 of AE and not in version 13. CC 2014 (which I assume you're using) is version 13 of AE.

                                                          • 29. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                            Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                            I would recommend avoiding the QuickTime container for H.264. Just use the H.264 format in Adobe Media Encoder (it creates an MP4); it even has presets for YouTube.

                                                            • 30. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                              Alan_AEDScripts Level 2

                                                              Problems:

                                                              [I'm just about to move to CC from 5.5]

                                                              1.No clear history visible with dates etc and files rendered.

                                                              For example, seeing reduction in render times as you optimize a scene.

                                                              2.No easy CTRL +d to duplicate a render.

                                                              3.Having to use 2 apps to render different formats = more time

                                                              4.Any scripting shortcuts are null and void. I used to have an email mp4 auto add to a render

                                                              as a script. It also disrupts my workflow with background rendering with background renderer (Alvarez)

                                                              and scripting with Autodesk Backburner.

                                                              5.It's an annoyance as it forces me to use another app unecessarily. I

                                                              would have loved the buggy code until it was replaced on your roadmap.

                                                              6.All my templates have to be re-setup again to suit AME.

                                                               

                                                              Thanks

                                                              Alan.

                                                              • 31. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                                Dave LaRonde Level 6

                                                                With that litany of perceived issues, I don't know if I'd move from 5.5 to CC if I were you.  Unless you have no other choice, that is.

                                                                • 32. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                                  Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                  I understand that changing your workflow can be annoying. However, I think I can help allay some of your annoyance.

                                                                   

                                                                  1. If you do what I do (render an intermediate file out of AE), you still have all of these features. You can even set up a watch folder in AME, so that your intermediate AE renders immediately get converted to MP4's in the background.

                                                                  2. There is in the CC version of AME.

                                                                  3. This can actually equal less time. If the Adobe Media Encoder is rendering something, you can keep working in After Effects while it renders. This means you don't have to wait around for renders to move on to the next thing.

                                                                  4. Again, if you're rendering intermediate files, this isn't an issue.

                                                                  5. I always used the Media Encoder to make my h.264's even before we were forced to by the removal. Maybe it's because I'm super-picky, but I always pushed for the highest quality I could have. I wanted to be able to use multi-pass encoding in my h.264's and After Effects couldn't do that. Thus I didn't consider using AME unnecessary.

                                                                  6. This isn't a bad thing; AME lets you use multi-pass encoding, so you're going to want to make new templates anyway. Better-looking files at smaller file sizes; huzzah!

                                                                  • 33. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                                    hami1car Level 1

                                                                     

                                                                    I understand you're frustrated about the change to the AME workflow for H.264 because some of the functionality you found useful in the render queue is missing, or at least requires extra steps. I'll do my best to answer your questions 1-3, but as much as I know about the application I'm not the ultimate guru of AME. Other people on the forums may be able to give you better advice than me.

                                                                     

                                                                    1. There is not a way that I'm aware of to make AME always default to the entire composition length. Adding such a control as an option is a good feature request for the AME team. You will need to either change that setting on your exports individually, or change the work area on your composition to the entire composition length (double-click on the work area bar) before you send the comp to AME.
                                                                    2. The encoding time for each item in AME's queue is written in the encoding log. Choose File > View Log to access it. You can also click on the Status column hot text (Done, Stopped, etc.) for completed items. You can prevent AME from clearing old items in the queue by disabling the Remove completed items from queue on exit option in Preferences > General.
                                                                    3. From your post on the AME forum, I assume you are using AME's watch folders by having After Effects write an intermediate file, which AME then processes to your selected preset. No, there is not a function to have AME automatically delete the source file. Again, such a control as an option is a good feature request for the AME team. I know they're aware of the shortcomings of AME's watch folder implementation, so feedback about how you think it should work will be appreciated.

                                                                     

                                                                    To reiterate: please submit feature requests for AME, After Effects, or any Adobe application whenever the idea occurs to you. They do get read by human beings. On the After Effects team, Todd Kopriva reads our submissions and catalogues them, and we use the collective data from all users to help guide future development of After Effects. The AME team does the same.

                                                                     

                                                                    Since this thread was resurrected today, it reminded me of this conversation. I opened feature requests for AME for the specific issues above in July-August 2014, as you said I should do. As of yet, none of them have been implemented. I also made a private forum post to the AME team listing all the issues with rendering AE projects in AME. It was backed up by a number of other users in the forum. Crickets from the AME team, and as far as I can tell, nothing has changed.

                                                                     

                                                                    Is 1.5 years too short a timeframe to expect movement on this? Will an attempt be made to make this experience better in AME? Or, is H.264 coming back to After Effects?

                                                                     

                                                                    Also, you say people are reading these, but I have an AE bug report from 2014 that still says "Unverified". Does what does that mean?

                                                                     

                                                                    All of this certainly feels like our concerns and feedback are being ignored.

                                                                    • 34. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                                      Alan_AEDScripts Level 2

                                                                      Hi there, I appreciate your opinion.

                                                                      1. If you do an uncompressed render in AE and then another background render in AME it is still elongating the render time and using resources and cores on your machine, which has to be more obtrusive than a clean render (even if it's not amazingly optimized code) in h264 format, if that was the only thing required.

                                                                      Also there is file overhead and management of x2 files for everything you are doing.

                                                                       

                                                                      2.Yes there will be a ctrl+d in AME but it does not address any changes in your comp? It will use the temp AE file that was sent to AME at that point in time. So Ctrl +d in AE will dup all the render settings , file name etc but will render the LIVE version of the comp. Anybody who works full time in AE will know how many times you need to re-render due to mistakes!

                                                                      3.Agreed, but this should be optional! so all my formats remain accessible in AE, then if required send in background in AME.

                                                                      5+6. Not picky, need to get the job done like millions of people - if it's a personal preference, if it's over 90pc then and a quick solution, Ill do it! I was content with AE h264, and when I needed really good quality I just whacked up the bitrate.


                                                                      In terms of filing feature requests etc - I simply don't have time. I think some stuff is obvious especially core workflow stuff. The AE team really know what they are doing, I wouldn't swap the software for anything. When I install CC I will have to spend a week sorting scripts and changing workflow for this which will eat into my time, but you can't please everyone!

                                                                      Thanks a lot

                                                                      Alan.

                                                                      • 35. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                                        Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                        Alan_AEDScripts wrote:

                                                                        The AE team really know what they are doing, I wouldn't swap the software for anything. When I install CC I will have to spend a week sorting scripts and changing workflow for this which will eat into my time, but you can't please everyone!


                                                                        Speaking of the AE team and what they're doing...

                                                                        As you jump into CC, please be aware that After Effects version CC 2015 marks a huge change in the underlying code for After Effects. (There's no more RAM preview, for one thing.) The AE team is preparing AE to be a truly multithreaded application. However, it's not there yet. For many folks, such as myself, the new version works great and I love it! I especially like the new expression error handling and how much snappier everything is. For some folks, on the other hand, the new architecture is causing some issues. So, if you have too many problems with CC 2015, remember that CC gives you access to all versions of the software from CS6 onward, so try CC 2014.

                                                                        • 36. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                                          andreic22102592 Level 1

                                                                          in consideration to exporting and uploading videos to YouTube, which is the best efficient format to use, Taken in account h.264 is unavailable in AE? when I used the fixed settings on AE, it relatively takes up a lot of time to upload (2, 3 hours). Please help.

                                                                           

                                                                          Thanks

                                                                          • 37. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                                            Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                            andreic22102592 wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            in consideration to exporting and uploading videos to YouTube, which is the best efficient format to use, Taken in account h.264 is unavailable in AE? when I used the fixed settings on AE, it relatively takes up a lot of time to upload (2, 3 hours). Please help.

                                                                             

                                                                            Thanks

                                                                            Either send your AE composition to the Adobe Media Encoder to render an H.264 file or render an intermediate file from AE's render queue and then load that file into the Adobe Media Encoder to make an H.264. The Adobe Media Encoder even has YouTube presets.

                                                                            • 38. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                                              Alan_AEDScripts Level 2

                                                                              If you google recommended settings for YT you will get specs that will be optimal. So whatever software you use to convert you need to match those specs rather than uploading uncompressed media. Youtube will be converting that file on the fly which is why it's probably taking hours.

                                                                              • 39. Re: Render out of AE CC no h.264 option render queue
                                                                                andreic22102592 Level 1

                                                                                ok thank you. however now that I have used the h.264 format, there are background effects that I have used which does not show up on my video when I upload to YT.

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