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    Screen Grab image resolution

    garymanilow Community Member

      Hey folks...

       

      When I do a screen grab, the dimesnions of the image are 1366 x 768. When I stick such an image in the time line, it looks blurry. Any insight?

        • 1. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
          garymanilow Community Member

          I open the image in fireworks and export it as a jpeg... That's another detail.

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            the_wine_snob Community Member

            Gary,

             

            I assume that the 1366 x 768 is your monitor's resolution. Is that correct?

             

            What is the Project Setting, to which you are adding that screen-cap? The Frame Size will likely be the most important.

             

            Do you have Photoshop, or Photoshop Elements available? If you do, I would recommend using either of those, and then doing a Save_As to PSD (Photoshop's native format), instead of introducing any JPEG compression. If you do not have that capability, I would explore doing a Save_As TIFF (do not use any compression, like LZW), or even Windows BMP. While many do not see the artifacts and softening in JPEG compression, many do, and if you then are Scaling up, to say 1920 x 1080, imperfections will be more evident.

             

            Good luck,

             

            Hunt

            • 3. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
              A.T. Romano Community Member

              garymanilow

               

              What program is this "Fireworks" program? Is it the Adobe Fireworks which is described as a bitmap and vector graphics editor?

               

              If I have the right program, it is said to have a better compression rate than Photoshop for jpeg, png, and gif, and it also exports TIFF, SWF, BMP, and a bunch of other formats. If so, have you looked at the TIFF from Adobe Fireworks to compare its JPEG vs TIFF in your Premiere Elements project?

               

              How did you do the 1388 x 768 screen grab? What was its format originally?

               

              ATR

              • 4. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                garymanilow Community Member

                Bill, I found where you adjust project settings under the "edit" tab, in this case the Frame Size is 1920 x 1080. I couldn't figure out how to adjust it, so then I thought I could try to stretch the image in Fireworks (A.T. It is or was part of the Adobe suite I'm pretty sure. The Photoshop from Adobe) to around 1920 x 1080.

                 

                I don't seem to have many of the options you are discussing. My copy of Fireworks is at least 10 years old and the only options are Gif and Jpeg. I dropped in both and the Gif was weird but the jpeg came out fairly well. Not professional level at all. But ok. The current project "A game of Chess" is not where I drop everything and upgrade my gear to full on professional levels. That is going to come, but not just yet, so I think this will be fine for now.

                 

                A T, 1388 x 768 is my highest option for resolution for my computer, correct. Thanks guys! They should pay you!

                • 5. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                  nealeh Community Member

                  Bill Hunt wrote:

                   

                  Save_As TIFF (do not use any compression, like LZW)

                   

                  Why do you say that Bill? LZW is lossless and supported by Elements.

                   

                  Cheers,
                  --
                  Neale
                  Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children.

                  • 6. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                    the_wine_snob Community Member

                    Unfortunately, Premiere does not work well with LWZ, if at all. You are correct that it is lossless, and for programs that can handle it, is a great way to go - smaller file sizes, but without a loss in quality. I only concern is whether Premiere will work properly with it.

                     

                    Hunt

                    • 7. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                      The Project's Frame Size is set by the Project Preset, chosen at New Project. You are correct, that you cannot adjust that, once the Project has been created - other than to hack the PREL file, which can lead to some odd results, and is only for those who know the XML code in the PREL.

                       

                      As for GIF, it is an Indexed Color Mode format, so not well-suited for Images in Video. JPEG, even with its compression, and lack of support for Transparency, is better suited when working with photographs. GIF does support Transparency, and is better, when working with Vector Art, such as maybe a logo. PNG, which does support Transparency, and also offers compression, is better than either GIF, or JPEG, but your version of Fireworks does not seem to support that.

                       

                      I thought that I still had a version of Fireworks, but I suppose that it was uninstalled, as I cannot find it. Fireworks was designed to work with Raster & Vector Images, for use on the Web. It was a good editor for that purpose, but was replaced by ImageReady in Photoshop. I think that it disappeared, when Adobe bought MacroMedia - same as with the Vector editing/creating program FreeHand, as Adobe already had Illustrator. Where Fireworks' power came in, was with its great optimization for the Web, but when ImageReady was added to Photoshop, that extra support came with it. ImageReady added great Web optimization too. Again, it was designed to work with Images/Art going to the Web.

                       

                      Good luck,

                       

                      Hunt

                      • 8. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                        A.T. Romano Community Member

                        Gary

                         

                        I am just getting back to your thread. Thanks for the follow up. If the only reason that you went to Fireworks was to resize your photo, then let me ask for a recap.

                         

                        a. Given that you have a photo (screen grab) that you wanted to take into Premiere Elements 11 (please confirm since I see Hunt referring to Premiere).

                        What format was the screen grab before you decided to take it into Fireworks? Was it jpg or bmp or other?

                         

                        b. After you get this screen grab into Premiere Elements 11 what do you want to do with it...include it in a movie or export it as a file or image sized for 1366 x 768 which I believe is 16:9?

                         

                        Are you aware of the scaling that you can do in Premiere Elements via Applied Effects/Motion Panel Expanded/Scale Propertiy

                        and

                        Publish+Share/Computer/Image where you can export your 1366 x 768, using setting under the Advanced Button of the presets there.

                         

                        Depending on how close or far away from what you are doing and your intent...you might consider

                         

                        Importing this screen grab direct (no detours into Fireworks) into Premiere Elements 11 with the project preset that you set yourself to NTSC HDV HDV 720p30. (See File Menu/New/Project and a check mark next to Force Selected Project Setting on this project".)

                         

                        Depending on after Timeline rendering look, Field Options/Always Deinterlace.

                         

                        follow that up to an export for one of the 16:9 export...Image or a video file.

                         

                        Please let me know if any of the above helps.

                         

                        Thanks.

                         

                        ATR

                        • 9. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                          garymanilow Community Member

                          Hey A.T. ...

                           

                          I don't know what the format is for the original photo. I hit the key commands to capture my screen, then I open a new project in Fireworks and it is all ready for a new photo to be pasted in with the dimensions of my computer screen resolution (1366x768).

                           

                          The purpose of the photo is for a movie.

                           

                          Can you explain your solution a little better? Are you suggesting forcing a lowering of the resolution for the whole project in order to accomodate the low res photo?

                           

                          K

                          • 10. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                            A.T. Romano Community Member

                            Gary,

                             

                            Now that I know that your goal is a movie containing this screen crab, the next question is what is your export goal and what else is going into this movie?

                             

                            With that detail, I will go into a plan.

                             

                            What key commands did you use to capture your screen...Print Screen SysRq or the Snipping Tool?

                             

                            Also, please remind me what computer operating system your Premiere Elements 11 is running on.

                             

                            Thanks.

                             

                            ATR

                            • 11. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                              garymanilow Community Member

                              Hey A.T.,

                               

                              My export goal (If I read you properly) is to the web at the default resolution for a new project which we have seen is 1920x1080.

                               

                              There isn't much to the movie technically speaking. A few original camcorder shots, a lot of video capture from the computer (using "Debut") and not much else. I think only the one photo.  It's documenting a game of online chess.

                               

                              I get the screen grab with a PRTSC command and the OS is Windows 7.

                              • 12. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                A.T. Romano Community Member

                                Gary,

                                 

                                Thanks for the additional information.

                                 

                                Based on it, this is the first thing I would like you to look at.

                                 

                                If you have Windows 7, you must have the Snipping Tool.

                                http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/snipping-tool

                                 

                                Please use that instead of the PrintScreen Tool to do your screen capture and save as jpg in one step.

                                 

                                They look great in Premiere Elements. If you have a 1920 x 1080 workflow, then, unless you do not care about black borders, you should scale your photo to fill the Edit Mode monitor established by your choice of project preset.

                                 

                                Have you been there and done that? Should give you sharper results that PrintScreenTool.

                                 

                                ATR

                                • 13. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                  garymanilow Community Member

                                  This looks really nifty. I found it on my computer and tinkered a little. I'll see what I can do with it for the project later tonight and let you know.

                                  • 14. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                    A.T. Romano Community Member

                                    garymanilow

                                     

                                    I started a blog recently and have been using that snipping tool to prepare graphics for the blog posts. They look great.

                                     

                                    Hope that works for you.

                                     

                                    Thanks for the follow up.

                                     

                                    ATR

                                    • 15. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                      garymanilow Community Member

                                      Hey guys.... The snipping tool didn't improve things for me. Saved the images from "snippet" as jpegs and it didn't come out well. Then I opened a new Fireworks project at the 1920x1080 size of the elements project, pasted in the screen grab at the usual 1366x768 thinking that it would at least look clear even if there was a lot of black space to deal with..... That didn't work. It still looked blurry in elements.

                                       

                                      I think what I should try to do is find someone with Photoshop who can convert some images to PSD for me and see what happens. What do you think?

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                                        A.T. Romano Community Member

                                        garymanilow

                                         

                                        Thanks for the update.

                                         

                                        Please remind me what computer operating system your Premiere Elements 11 is running on?

                                         

                                        If Windows, I believe it should come with some version of Movie Maker or Windows Live Movie Maker. If you have this program, what do these jpg (from snipping tool or other) look like when imported in this program?

                                         

                                        Also, I have something else for you to try...

                                        a. Open Premiere Elements 11.

                                        b. Immediately go to File Menu/New/Project and change the project preset to

                                        NTSC

                                        DSLR

                                        1080p

                                        DSLR 1080p30

                                        Make sure to place a check mark next to Force Selected Project Setting on this Project before exiting the new project dialog.

                                        c. Then back in the Premiere Elements 11 workspace, import your jpg photos via the program's Add Media/Files and Folders.

                                        d. Is there any improvement in what you see in the Edit Mode Monitor after rendering that Timeline?

                                         

                                        As part of your troubleshooting, converting the images to PSD in Photoshop is always an option and should be tried. It will be curious to see if the .psd version is the answer. I suspect it not, but you cannot rule it in or out until you determine first hand if it works for you.

                                         

                                        But please remind me,

                                        (a) if you take a photo from your camera into Premiere Elements 11, what is its quality?

                                        (b) what is the project preset of Premiere Elements 11 when you take your screen grab into it?

                                         

                                        Thanks. Looking forward to further developments.

                                         

                                        ATR

                                        • 17. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                          garymanilow Community Member

                                          A.T.,

                                           

                                          *Windows 7

                                          * They look ok in movie maker. Its slightly blurry but you can read the typed text. normal font size, with movie maker. Why?

                                          * Changed project settings as directed. It looks better. I uploaded a pic of a subsequent screen shot of what the still image looks like during play back. I would rate it like a 2-3 on a 1-10 blury scale. I could move ahead with that quality but only after exhausting other options. Please look at the pic and tell me how blurry it looks to you. Movie maker play back looks at least 1 increment clearer that the pic.

                                          (a) I don't know the answer. How important is that?

                                          (b) DSLR-1080p-DSLR-1080p30  That's the default for a new project. I assume it's what I made the current project in since I never played with the settings.

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                                            garymanilow Community Member

                                            Here's the pic mentioned in last post. (Looking at it here, it looks "ok" but in the context of other pure and clear shots, it stands out).

                                             

                                            Torwel.jpg

                                            • 19. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                              A.T. Romano Community Member

                                              garymanilow

                                               

                                              Here is something that I would like you to try if you have not already.

                                               

                                              Maybe using the screenshot above...

                                               

                                              a. Take your screen grab jpg into Premiere Elements (project preset with whatever you have been using) and, when the jpg is on the Timeline, render it to get a backline view.

                                               

                                              b. Then apply the Sharpen video effect to the jpg (just small amount). Render it to see what the preview looks like.

                                               

                                              As for project presets, the default for Premiere Elements 11 is

                                              For NTSC Setup

                                              NTSC

                                              AVCHD

                                              Full HD 1080i30

                                              or

                                              For PAL Setup

                                              PAL

                                              AVCHD

                                              Full HD 1080i25

                                               

                                              When you import video and drag it to the Timeline as the first drag to that Timeline, the program is supposed to reset the project preset to match the properties of that video that you dragged to the Timeline. Sometimes it does so correctly, sometimes not. In the case of a photo as the first drag, you will end up with the program default of AVCHD Full HD1080i.

                                               

                                              Assuming all jpg for the moment, I suggested the DSLR setting (which you would have do as a manual project preset set up - File Menu/New/Project) as an experiment since not so long ago at least two user claimed that was the setting for sharp results for a slideshow Timeline headed for DVD-VIDEO on DVD disc.

                                               

                                              Let us see how the Sharpen effect works or does not work in this instance.

                                               

                                              Thanks.

                                               

                                              ATR

                                              • 20. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                garymanilow Community Member

                                                Sharpen effect. Much better. Useable. The text is still scrunchy but you can read it. I think I will continue to try and outright solve this issue as it is always good to completely solve problems. In the mean time, I can carry on editing (assuming I fix the AVI problem in the other thread).
                                                torwel2.jpg

                                                • 21. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                  garymanilow Community Member

                                                  One other thing, I don't know how to find the project setting after starting the project. The NTSC and all of that stuff. But this image comes from the custom settings you instructed me on..... This of course leads to another issue. I've done quite a lot of editing in the original project. Is there a way to transfer it to a new project or do I have to start from scratch?

                                                   

                                                  And thanks... of course!

                                                  • 22. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                    A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                    garymanilow

                                                     

                                                    If you want to figure out your the project preset that was set by you or the program when you first started this current project, go to Edit Menu/Project Settings/General and look at the readings for Editing Mode, Timebase, and Frame Size. If you have any trouble figuring out the project preset involved from that, please tell us what you read in those fields, and we will name the project preset that you have.

                                                     

                                                    For transferring Timeline content between projects, you can go two different ways...the concensus seems to be favoring exporting the Timeline in one project as a Lagarith.avi file and importing it into the second project. If you are a Windows user, you can use ClipMate for copying/pasting between projects. In version 11, ClipMate seems to have a problem with transitions in the copy/paste of them from one project to another. Please refer to recent thread on both sides.

                                                    http://forums.adobe.com/message/5460232#5460232

                                                     

                                                    Thanks.

                                                     

                                                    ATR

                                                    • 23. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                      garymanilow Community Member

                                                      Thanks ATR. I expect if I took the time to list the information in my settings, we would find it was what you told me to set everything as originally. I am going to revisit the project transfer after I know where I stand with the AVI problem. Thanks for your help. You Rock!

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                                                        the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                        Gary,

                                                         

                                                        Am I correct that you do not have Photoshop, but instead Fireworks, and GIMP?

                                                         

                                                        The reason that I ask is that Photoshop has an entire suite of Filter>Sharpen operations, that are very, very good. First, Unsharp Mask is extremely powerful, and highly useful for just the type of Sharpening that you are experimenting with. If one had CS, or later, there is also Smart Sharpen, that takes things to a whole new level.

                                                         

                                                        It has been a decade, since I last used GIMP, but as I already had Photoshop, I never experimented with it too much. I never did warm to the interface, and was making good money with Ps, so finally deleted GIMP. As that was many years ago, a lot of refinements could have been added to it. If you do have it, poke around a bit, to see if it has Unsharp Mask, or even Smart Sharpen. I am certain that it is not now anywhere close to the program that I saw, all those years ago.

                                                         

                                                        Good luck,

                                                         

                                                        Hunt

                                                        • 25. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                          garymanilow Community Member

                                                          They have all of those features in Fireworks (my only graphics program). I'll try it.

                                                           

                                                          AT, will get to the other thread too.

                                                          • 26. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                            garymanilow Community Member

                                                            I had an idea if anyone is willing and able to do it. I've asked around if people had photshop and a friend and a sister do. I thought maybe before tracking them down and trying to explain the situation, if someone here (Bill maybe) could post a screen grab at a similar resolution to mine (1366x768) and save to PSD... and post it so I could try it on my timeline....??

                                                             

                                                            I tried the sharpen etc in Fireworks (FW) and it was ok but not what you'd call "right". The funny thing is that FW is made by Adobe....

                                                            • 28. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                              the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                              Gary,

                                                               

                                                              I did not even realize that FireWorks was still around.

                                                               

                                                              It was kind of a hybrid between Adobe Illustrator, and Adobe Image Ready (dissolved into later versions of Photoshop). That link taught me something.

                                                               

                                                              As for the screen-cap, why don't you create one, then attach it in an email to me info AT huntphoto DOT com, where the AT = @ and the DOT = ., with no spaces.

                                                               

                                                              I will run it through Photoshop with both Unsharp Mask and Smart Sharpen, then send those back to you, so that you can test them. If you POP Account will not handle the attachments coming back, then I have a YouSendIt account, and will post there. You will then get an e-mail, with instructions on where and how to download.

                                                               

                                                              If that works for you, and you do not have millions of these screen-caps, I can set up an Action, and process an entire folder full of them in minutes, and get them back to you, probably via YouSendIt.

                                                               

                                                              Good luck, and just let me know,

                                                               

                                                              Hunt

                                                              • 29. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                                garymanilow Community Member

                                                                Wow... That would be awesome. If it works... I could just wait till the project is completely edited and send the 10 or 20 total images. The email will be from Kelvin S. and will be there in a minute!

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                                                                  the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                                  Ten to 20 will never be an issue, at least on my end.

                                                                   

                                                                  As POP accounts can have limits on both ends, we can do a test run. Let's start with one, and just send an e-mail, as per my munged e-dress. My POP account can handle really large attachments. If you have any questions about my e-dress, just send me a PM - click on my Profile in this thread, and to the upper-right, click on Send a Private Message. I will then give you the un-munged e-dress (too many spam'bots crawllng the forum, so I do not want to feed them).

                                                                   

                                                                  In the e-mail's Subject Line Header, please add Adobe Premiere Elements, so that MailWasher does not send it to the trash, before I can see it.

                                                                   

                                                                  Thanks, and good luck,

                                                                   

                                                                  Hunt

                                                                  • 31. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                                    garymanilow Community Member

                                                                    sent to hunt photo.

                                                                    • 32. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                                      Cool.

                                                                       

                                                                      I will look for that, then tomorrow, will do two versions, at least, and get them back for review.

                                                                       

                                                                      Thanks,

                                                                       

                                                                      Hunt

                                                                      • 33. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                                        garymanilow Community Member

                                                                        Cool... Fingers crossed!

                                                                        • 34. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                                          garymanilow Community Member

                                                                          Here is Bill's... I think this is the best one. I'm going to post it and compare it to the others.
                                                                          tor_bill.jpg

                                                                          • 35. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                                            A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                                            garymanilow

                                                                             

                                                                            When you and Hunt are finished with your studies, could you please indicate what Premiere Elements does to your Photoshop sharpened images once imported? Do they retain the sharpness of the originals or is the sharpness diminished as viewed in the Edit Mode Monitor as rendered files? What format are you going for .jpg, .tiff, or psd?

                                                                             

                                                                            Thanks.

                                                                             

                                                                            ATR

                                                                            • 36. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                                              the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                                              Gary,

                                                                               

                                                                              How does that look on the PrE Timeline, to your eyes?

                                                                               

                                                                              Which one was that, BTW?

                                                                               

                                                                              Good luck,

                                                                               

                                                                              Hunt

                                                                              • 37. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                                                the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                                                ATR,

                                                                                 

                                                                                Not knowing what else might need to be done, I provided PNG format Images.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Were I doing this for myself, I would have gone with PSD's.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Hunt

                                                                                • 38. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                                                  garymanilow Community Member

                                                                                  I posted the wrong one.... hold on. That was a mistake...

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Screen Grab image resolution
                                                                                    the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                                                    Gary,

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Remember, we are allowed only ONE mistake per day - go slowly, and carefully now...

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Just let us know.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Hunt

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