Owned Software is not just about price

Could not agree more. Very well stated.

+1 Chazinbermuda

Nicely put.

I agree a 100%!

Imagine a international conflict or a conflict in the countries that have the servers for the cloud stationed   (India, Pakistan) or any other county.

The consequences will be disastrous and of course all politicians are still a sleep.

If the Pentagon can be hacked then the cloud servers can  fore sure!

We just have to wait for the first big attack or conflict to give them a wake up call.

The only ones that benefit from this cloud stuff are the big companies like Adobe trying to suck some extra money out of their costumers and make

them fully dependent of them.

the only thing that has changed is the license .. before it was perpetual .. now you have to pay perpetually.

You know, luck never lasts a lifetime, unless you die young. That specifically applies to CC subscribers.

Owned software is not just about price

I am very concerned about privacy and there are some of my clients that restrict me legally from placing their files in a network, I or they do not have control over. The prism scandal also recently highlighted that my files and my clients file could be potentially accessed by any government agency who deemed it necessary.  Imagine this scenario.. you are doing a documentary in India on a sensitive topic. The Indian government tells adobe we wish to look at my files …is adobe going to say no?

This is assumming you're storing your files in the cloud, something that's certainly not mandated, you can continue to store and use files as you have in the past.

What happens when the cloud goes down or gets hacked?

I am a gamer and recently EA’s servers were hacked and went haywire for a week.. as a gamer I was annoyed.. imagine if your business went down for a week because you could not validate your software.. will adobe compensate you for missing deadlines and losing clients? The EULA will absolve them of any liability… this may seem hypothetical but Adobe has already had to disable functionality because parts of the cloud did not work right… With a perpetual license I controlled installation and could deal with the majority of conflicts computer failures etc… with the cloud the software controls me.

Your software only checks in with Adobe once a month, and my understanding is it will only shut down after 90 days of not being able to find the server. Even then, you're able to call Adobe if you're going to be off-the-grid for a longer period of time, and they can extend that window.

The Cloud is a Psuedo Cloud

The cloud is not true cloud software and requires users to still download the bulk of the apps to run on their own machines.. if it were truly a cloud piece of software you would not be limited to an installation of only two machines.. you should be able to walk up to any computer and run the software merely by logging in.. (bit misleading).. the only thing that has changed is the license .. before it was perpetual .. now you have to pay perpetually.

The more things that actually exist only in the cloud, the more likely it is for your first concern to become true.

Price..

The reallity is that the price and availability could be better. Some of Adobe's options to fix problems like Price, Availability, and the long term access of files could be useful, and need to be implimented to make people comfortable. That being said, many people are panicing about files in the cloud, software in the cloud, crashed servers, etc., that simply aren't the problem. The problem is that we're all used to one way of working, and we're mad that someone is changing it on us. As a creative community, we need to deal with the evolution of our software. This format makes sense, it's a couple of the details like Price, Availability and Long-Term-Access that aren't quite right yet. Let's focus on the points that matter, rather than throwing around near-conspiracy-theories concerns about what it Adobe might do, what the government might do, or how servers will crash and we will miss our deadlines.

I will resist renting PS CC for as many years as possible.

Your first concern, about privacy, makes zero sense.

You download the software from the Cloud (which is new).  The software is installed on and runs on your computer's local storage (as it always has).  Your project files, media files, etc are still stored on your computer's local storage, wherever you specify (once again, as it has always been).

A Creative Cloud subscription gives you cloud storage, which you can choose to use as you wish.  You are not required to store your files there.  So when you're working on a top secret project, as long as you don't manually put the files into your cloud storage, Adobe has no access to them.

Regarding your second concern, the software does not require a persistent internet connection once installed.  For annual subscribers, you can use the software up to 99 days in offline mode.  For month-to-month subscribers, up to 30 days.  So even if the Cloud goes down or is hacked, users won't be immediately locked out of their software as you imply.

This info comes straight out of the Creative Cloud FAQ.  I suggest you read it: http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html

Creative Cloud is Adobe's Apple Cube, Pontiac's Aztek, Coke's "New Coke", etc. All corporations have a bad product but this situation is different in that there's really not a feasible alternative.

First time I've been upset or angry at Adobe since first using their software in 1999. I'm using CC now but most likely only until my promotional pricing ends. I actually prefer sticking a disc in and installing over having huge downloads, mulitple huge downloads, in order to install software. Still have all my boxed CS versions from 6 down sitting in a storage closet. Glad I kept them.

hey U-96, you forgot OPEL, best GM car in production and for some reason illegal to import into USA...corporations have strange rules, and don't care about customers = PROFIT ONLY, maybe that's why small pick ups are NOT FOR SALE anymore.

If they change the price for the Creative Cloud (CC) and I don't have the money for it, I just can't work anymore... even if I am in the middle of a project.

If I would be a student and I would bearly have any money.I wouldn't have enough money for the CC (I mean if I study I would have to finance much more than only a little "tool"), so I would to look for alternatives for CS7. (The CC offers 60% discount to students, the CS 80%)

Or I would just keep CS6 until its really old.

I totaly agree to this post.

More than 37,000 folks have signed this petition.They don't like Adobe CC licensing.Show @Adobe how you feel. https://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creati ve-cloud-subscription-model

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If the software is ran from your own machine it is not cloud software and it is misleading to say it is

Adobe doesn't say that it is "cloud software".  Creative Cloud is just a marketing term which you failed to understand.

The real question no one has answered is will Adobe say no to these entities?

If you're worried about it, just don't use that feature.  The same applies to Dropbox, Google Drive, or any of hundreds (thousands?) of other online storage services.  To use this as an argument against subscription service is nonsense.

If you are at the end of your 99 days and you are unable to validate your license

You're really working very hard to invent reasons not to subscribe.  It'd be better if you just said you don't like it and left it at that.  Not everyone will like it, and that's fine.

I am now certainly mandated to pay a monthly fee for a service I will not use..

That's a very negative view to take.  I think you'd find that the overwhelming majority of people do not use every single feature of every single product they buy, so your argument applies to just about everyone and everything.  I mean, do you regularly use every single feature of Photoshop, Premiere Pro, After Effects, and the other programs of the Creative Suite?  Unlikely.  Hell, given the amount of waste annually, even food is not immune from the "paying for something you don't use" argument.

It is a nonsense argument.

Of course they could restore perpetuals if they'd like to. And of course Adobe made this move as a business decision focused to bring more revenue in the long run (as every subscription based model out there). Either you accept it, or try to find workarounds - competitors software, buying retail CS versions. For me, like many others, CC is a fine deal - the Design Standard Creative Suite would cost me 3 years of full CC access in EN (for some reason EN versions are 30% pricier than Polish localised). And €60 for CC is a decent price that returns (with a top) with the first gig. Although I admit that pricing for single app could be more resonable, and additional features of CC are not that attracting atm.

Will retails ever be back - that depends on the revenue from CC, but I doubt that. It would have to be a total disaster. On the other hand Adobe's competitors might at last wake up from their beauty sleep and start acting, since we all could use some healthy competition on 2D graphic software market.

As for the Prism and privacy concerns... you know, it doesn't really matter. Don't tell me that before the Prism case you have never heard how easy is to find, track and hijack your personal data, even without the internet. Those multibilion security agencies all over the world were not made to drink their afternoon tea in a pleasant company, you know. And if you keep sensitive data of your clients on a computer that is pluged to the web, or send it via common e-mail service I have a bad news for you - if someone was interested in it, they already have it. And probably it wasn't even some Black Suit Inc.

>Jim Simon

Jim Simon schrieb:

 

If the software is ran from your own machine it is not cloud software and it is misleading to say it is

 

Adobe doesn't say that it is "cloud software".  Creative Cloud is just a marketing term which you failed to understand.

I think, it´s more Adobe who failed with that naming, or?
They took this "cloud hype" to force customers and all the irritation is, because the marketing monsters of Adobe decided to name it "cloud".

What is nonsense and misleading.

Jim Simon wrote:

 

You're really working very hard to invent reasons not to subscribe.  It'd be better if you just said you don't like it and left it at that.  Not everyone will like it, and that's fine.

Jim: You're trying to bring common sense into this thread.

I tried to myself, but talking to a brick wall would be more effective.

joshweiland wrote:

 

Your first concern, about privacy, makes zero sense.

 

You download the software from the Cloud (which is new).  The software is installed on and runs on your computer's local storage (as it always has).  Your project files, media files, etc are still stored on your computer's local storage, wherever you specify (once again, as it has always been).

 

A Creative Cloud subscription gives you cloud storage, which you can choose to use as you wish.  You are not required to store your files there.  So when you're working on a top secret project, as long as you don't manually put the files into your cloud storage, Adobe has no access to them.

 

Regarding your second concern, the software does not require a persistent internet connection once installed.  For annual subscribers, you can use the software up to 99 days in offline mode.  For month-to-month subscribers, up to 30 days.  So even if the Cloud goes down or is hacked, users won't be immediately locked out of their software as you imply.

 

This info comes straight out of the Creative Cloud FAQ.  I suggest you read it: http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html

Oh great. That means I can run out now and spend $ every month renting my tools from Adobe. No thanks. Not now. Not ever.

I have had the same issue trying to convince a number of long term Adobe users that the CC system is terrible value for money especially for the many who are outside the good ole U S of A

Its far easier to admit that the sky is pink than to convice a CCer that they are in error supporting a system that does nothing for existing customers

Col

TheCoroner9 & Biggles Lamb: If you don't like the CC model, that's perfectly understandable. I agree that the pricing outside of the US is unfair.

So...don't subscribe.  Sign the petition.  Voice your concerns in any of the countless other threads that are about the subscription model and/or price.  This thread is about more than just these two topics; see the OP.

Chazinbermuda: The reason Jim & I are mentioning only specific topics of your OP is because they are the most outlandish.  Your other topics have been mentioned in many many other threads, so there's really no point to try and "discuss" them here.

Man... here we go again. Because there's no apparent reason why to get rid of it (at least for now - features don't realy need any cloud service) aside from Adobe's business decision to collect profits in the long term rather than at one-time purchase. Deal with it, or change your software dev. Really, it is that simple. There's no need to launch full-scale paranoid mode about nasty governments.

You're putting words in my mouth...so let me be specific.

Chazinbermuda wrote:

 

While you consider many of my arguments outlandish many see the same concerns I do.... I live outside the US...Pricing is higher

This is a valid concern, as I previously stated. There should be price parity, regardless of what country a user resides in.

Chazinbermuda wrote:

 

I live outside the US...Pricing is higher and the risk of government sticking there nose into my clients work is also higher.....

The part in bold is the outlandish argument.  If you are concerned about privacy, then do not use the cloud storage.  End of story.

You act like by using CC, Adobe has complete access to your local hard drives.  That's not how it works.  I explained this in a previous post, but you either don't understand or you choose not to.

Chazinbermuda wrote:

 

there is nothing in the cloud I consider groundbreaking that couldnt be utilized by another piece of software I could buy or use for free...

Fair enough.  Then stop using Adobe software and use an alternative.

More than 37,000 folks have signed this peition.They don't like Adobe CC licensing.Show @Adobe how you feel. https://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate- the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

Another more fiscal way to show @Adobe you dont like the CC licensing scheme.http://adobe2014.tumblr.com #adobe2014

If free speech is important to Adobe, I suggest you dont delete this post. Other Adobe forums dont seem to have an issue with it.

I was never an Adobe customer (except 'free' products of course) until I started my current job 6 years ago.  DreamWeaver was the standard here so I learned it and really started to like how it worked.  Then I find out that Adobe is moving everything to the "cloud", which, as has been pointed out here, is completely a financial decision on their part.  Ok, I'm a capitalist.  I hope Adobe makes a ton of money this way.  I understand the reason behind it.  But I personally won't be part of it.  There are alternative products and while it will take more time getting used to them, the end product will still be created.

We used to spend a few thousand bucks every 18 months or so updating our Adobe development tools.  I realize that's not even a rounding error for Adobe, but I wonder how many other business did/do the same thing.  Sales add up.  We've already switched away from Photoshop and the last two developers we hired got the alternate products. That's two additional sales Adobe didn't get.  Big deal?  Probably not, but like I said, sales do add up eventually.

I think companies need to offer choices to customers, but again, Adobe is free to do what it wants... I respect that.  It is a shame though, as I liked Adobe Products, and I will keep using them as long as possible but our shop is clearly heading away from Adobe.  As more business make the same decision, other software houses will step up to fill the void.  Its always happened, and always will.

I fear that Adobe will force a lot of their current customers away and once they're gone, they're gone. Once they've become accustom to other products, they won't be back.  Maybe there are enough 'new' customers to replace the old, but its a strategy that I suspect will prove to be fatal in the long run.