Feel any better? No idea why the art isn't properly centered -- not yet using cc. You CAN change the interface color, though....
I was just floored that it would even do that. I can select everything and resize and it stays centered. Soon as I change the page size, art stays at top. Normally I would make my page size, select all, then start reducing in 5% increments until it fit. And then I would tweak.
How Do you change the size of the page? Page Tool or Document Setup?
Document setup like I have for years. A huge problem for a variety of reasons.
My recollection is that changing the size using document setup (which is the way I've always worked, too) always works from the upper left corner unless Layout Adjutment is enabled first.
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A shot in the dark here (I'm still on CS6): have you checked the Liquid Layout settings? In CS6 it's the only place I see options for choosing placement when resizing pages. I don't use it, and it seems independent of the Page Setup options in CS6, but it might be implemented differently - and with different defaults - in CC.
And yes, page items always stay centered for me too in CS6 when I resize pages (and have always done so as far back as I can remember (INDDv1.5, and PageMaker before that).
@Peter – I think, unfortunately it's a bit more complicated.
There are different rules involved for different InDesign versions.
And different rules for single sided documents vs. double sided ones.
I found some bugs in Layout Adjustment, so I would not recommend using that at all.
Too much exceptions to use that…
If one wants to center objects on pages without scaling them, you have to do the following:
For single sided documents with
InDesign CS3, CS4 and CS5 ( not CS5.5 ! )
1. Do not check Layout Adjustment
2. Use Document Setup to scale all pages, not the objects
All other cases,
e.g. single sided documents in CS5.5 and
double sided documents in CS3, CS4, CS5 and CS5.5:
1. Draw a rectangle on every page that encompasses all page objects.
2. Set the center of that rectangle to the middle of the page (in x and y axes)
3. Group all page objects to that rectangle for every single page in the document
4. Do not check Layout Adjustment
5. Use Document Setup to scale all pages, not the objects
6. Re-center the groups to the center of the pages again
7. Ungroup the groups
8. Allocate the page objects to their original layers
There might be some exceptions where using Layout Adjustment would work good enough or exceptionally good.
If you try to use it, always keep in mind, that you only check two options only:
[ ! ] 1. Ignore Ruler Guide Alignments
[ ?! ] 2. Ignore Objects and Layer Locks
If someone would like to add some rules here, just go ahead…
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Since you're using InDesign CC, I think it would be easier to use the Page tool to change the page size, and choose the Re-center Liquid Page Rule.
If you're not sure how to do that refer to InDesign CC Help, or ask further here.
@Steve – personally I do not use InDesign CC, but that seems a good idea for InDesign CS6 and CC. Does that work perfectly for double sided pages?
It just worked on a test facing page document with two pages. I changed the master page size, and set the master page Liquid Layout rule to Re-Center. Since all the document pages were set by default to Based on Master Liquid Layout rule, they also recentered properly.
Why would I want to take an additional step when in the past all I had to do was change doc size?
I don't even know what the page tool is or where it is. For every version of ID I've ever owned, all I ever did was change the page size in doc setup and my art stayed centered on the page. Why would that need to change in CC? For that alone, CC is unusable. I can't be adjusting every single page in a multi-page doc.
Laurbender, who seems to have tested this in various versions of InDesign, says it's not that simple using Document Setup. (Since I haven't had this need, I can't confirm what he says.)
All I'm saying is that using the Page tool and Liquid Layout rules it's pretty easy:
(1) Go to your master page. On the Pages panel select both master pages.
(2) Choose the Page tool. The Control Panel changes appearance to show the Page tool options:
(4) Either choose a page size preset or choose Custom from the Page Size menu, and enter a new size.
Because the default is your your document pages to be Based on Master, they should change to the same page size. All the content will be centered on the new size.
@Mr. Met – If "in the past" does mean up to InDesign CS5 and only single sided documents, you're absolutely right.
See what will happen with double sided documents, if you:
1. Do not check Layout Adjustment
2. Use Document Setup to change page size from A5 to A4
A simple document with yellow square rectangles positioned to the center of each page.
InDesign CS5.5 on Mac OSX 10.6.8.
Same result in InDesign CS3, CS4 and CS5.
(all squares centered)
Changed that to A4:
I generally toggle between singles and facing pages when woriking but have always done a doc resize for singles only which seems intuitive or I've been doing it for too long I don't even notice anymore. Some actions are so automatic that if you were to ask me what I did, I couldn't tell you without first opening an ID doc and noting the steps I took.
In CS6, if you have the pages as singles, all you need to do is change the doc size and you're done. It would seem to me intuitive that you wouldn't be able to do it in spreads.
Any updates for this bug? Adobe released two updates but none of them resolve this issue. I hope Adobe, just don't simply ignore this one, because it really cause a lot to InDesign Users.
I really thought that Adobe updates from CS6 to CC by adding necessary features for end users, not to update and give problems to old users.
I can't believe that in old fashion way changing document page size from Document Setup window doesn't change or move your objects, but this InDesign CC is so ridiculous.
What bug? This thread has all the steps needed to resize the pages and keep content centered.
You can also try disabling liquid layout and enabling layout adjustment instead.
No it doesn't. If you use the page layout pallet, you have to go page by page to change the page size to have content remain centered on the page. It is a bug. CS6 had liquid layout and if I changed the page size my content on every page stayed centered if I resized the page. Now everything is stays top left. A mess.
You have to set Page Liquify (which I have no clue what it is) to re-center for your pages to align correctly when resizing.
I gave instructions in post #12. Look up.
Yup. I was tearing my hair out and came back and reread all the post. Slowly. Thx.
I got a quickstart book for CS6 to familiarize myself with new features.
OK. My turn.
I have been happily using InDesign since v1.0. Resizing art through Document Setup has *always* been the prefered and only method, until the new Page tool. Granted. But, why, on earth, change this behavior, all of a sudden in CC? This is so counter-productive. Now, it's behaving like Quark!!!
I don't know, but I'm guessing that, when InDesign gained the ability to create multiple page sizes (CS5) and alternate layouts (CS6), things became too complicated for Document Setup to keep working accurately.
Remember, Document Setup assumes that there is only one page size and only one layout in a document. And that is no longer true.
Things are more complicated when InDesign not only produces pages for print, but also for digital publishing and eBooks.
You have a point, Steve. I didn't see it that way. Thank you for your point of view.
Just to reinforce: I have no inside knowledge, I'm just making an educated guess.
Had I still participated in the latest rounds of beta testing, the discussions around this all important change would have been interesting. Come to think of it, what has the Illustrator team did with this issue? Have to check it out later. I was sure there was sone kind of Preference, hidden, somewhere, I could uncheck that would bring back the old behavior
It's a major PITA to have to adjust prefs or liquid page on a file by file basis. I do lots of booklets that are 5.5 x 8.5. Occasionally, the job can qualify for sheet or web (press). If web, I have to change size to 5.375 x 8.375 (or similar) for web print. And CS5 most certainly kept the items centered by default. CS6 is when things changed.
CS6 worked regularly
CSCC is where it changed
I think I have solved this...I find it quite frustrating as well.
Page resizing was straight forward in CS5 since all pages were the same. I think CS6 was ok.
The issue pops in CC. There are in fact 3 ways I know of to change the page size (Page Document / Page Tool / Edit Page Size in Pages Tab).
The only way I can resize pages effectively and have the artwork remain centred is by doing this:
• go to your pages window
• select all (or some) of your pages
• click the icon on the bottom left as per screenshot
• change to the desired page size
• export as pdf or print etc...
Just disregard what is in your page setup - remember you can now have multiple different page sizes in the document.
good luck. Let me know how you go!
this is quite an old topic but I stumbled upon it on my way of solving this. After all, I just found out how to do it.
In my way, it's done with the page tool and the page overview (document setup isn't working).
Use page tool, no liquid-page-rules, select all pages in the pages window, change size in page-change control panel (make sure the anchor point is centered).
(Sorry for the terms - am using the german version and therefore had to translate by myself ;-))
Hope this was helpful.
yes. You are absolutely right.
It needs four ingredients for resizing the pages to center objects on every individual page:
( Make sure that you do step 1 and step 2 exactly in that sequence. )
1. Select the Page Tool
2. Select all document pages
3. Set the selection proxy to center *
4. Click the checkbox that objects should move with the page
* The proxy will control where the objects are positioned relative to the page.
Do that again for all master pages as well.
Make sure that no objects go over the spine.
If yes you have to adjust them later.
Tested with InDesign CS6 and CC 2017.1.