I was able to select all and copy a massive sequence last night and paste it to a new sequence. I however did not try selecting 4 at a time or shift specific clips. Can you change to the software MPE and try the 4 selection again or the Ctrl A?
How about when the sequence contains both multi-cam (as you see in green) and non-multicam (light blue) footage? Come to think of it, the first time I experienced the crash in Premiere Pro CC was *before* I added the non-multicam clips. I tried to move all of my Multicam Source Sequence (MCSS) up to track 2. That worked. But then I couldn't do multicam editing. It seems that MC editing can only happen with the MCSS on V1. So I moved it back to V1. CRASH!!!
Progress. I've been able to isolate the problem. On my timeline I have some "regular" clips and some "merged" clips. Regular clips are from either source: a Canon 7D (MP4 / MOV) or a Canon VIXIA HF G20 (AVCHD). The Merged clips are only from the Canon 7D only (for video) and an audio recorder (MP3 at 320kbps). The 7D footage is 1080/24p. The VIXIA also shoots in 24p.
Since "Merge Clips" sync on audio is not working for me, I've employed my former CS6 workflow:
1. Sync all of the video and audio clips through PluralEyes 3 resulting in a preliminary sequence, "Clips_to_be_merged_sequence".
2. I work my way through each of the clips, adjusting the audio track(s) for variances in drift between the on camera sound and the audio recorder. I do this enabling "Audio Time Units", rather than video frames, so I can get extremely acurate.
3. When I have a timeline full of nicely syncronized audio/video pairs, I merge clips, one painstaking clip at a time (of course I set up a keyboard shortcut for this). For the merge, I "sync on In points".
4. The merged clip is added to my project panel.
5. Now, when it comes time to choose my sound bite selects, I load the merged clip into the Source panel and mark my Ins and Outs.
6. Time to create a subclip, of course with the new SOFT handles. (I'VE BEEN WANTING SOFT HANDLES FOR A LONG TIME!!!)
7. The subclip appears to be properly created and placed into the Project panel. It even shows the correct duration (i.e. 14 seconds)
8. When I drag that subclip onto the timeline it drags the entire length of the parent clip, without in or out points (not just the 14 second subclip).
9. I undo and decide to go back through the original clips again; mark ins and outs and simply drop to the timeline (either Insert or Overwrite).
So in the end, I'm using sections of the Merged clip, but I'm not using Subclips of the Merged clips (because that doesn't work).
Now, what's happening, though I didn't know it when I recorded the video above, is that Premiere is crashing any time I select both "regular" footage and "merged" footage.
So, two bugs here:
1. Can't use Subclips that are derived from Merged clips in ANY timeline. Once dragged to the timeline it expands to the full duration of the original clip.
2. Can't select both "regular" and "merged" clips at the same time on the timeline.
JStrawn (staff) was kind enough to offer to take a look at some small sample files. But my interview clips are very long, and I'm concerned that if I export them, to make them shorter, they may not actually exibit the problems I'm having on the original clips.
Anyone else using this type of "Merge Clip" workflow that could reproduce either the subclip-from-merged-clip bug or the mixed-selection crash given the steps above?
As it turns out, if I Nest these offending Merged clips, then I can copy and paste those nested sequences in any number, right along side my "regular" clips on the same timeline.
So, there's my workaround. Definitely not a long-term solution, as nesting several portions of several interviews is time consuming.
Hopefully that sheds enough light on this problem that someone can reproduce it, or figure out what's going wrong.
Software or hardware Murcury Playback Engine makes no difference as far as this issue is concerned.
Also, the issue is not tied to this specific system. The same crash happens on either of my systems:
ASUS G75VX Laptop (3-months old):
i7-3630qm at 2.4GHz
GTX670MX 3GB GDDR5
Custom Build (2 years old):
ASUS P8P67 Motherboard
i7-2600K (never overclocked...yet) at 3.8GHz
GTX460 1GB GDDR5
Both systems have 16GB RAM and both run Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit.
I'm starting to suspect Premiere Pro CC doesn't like a certain type of file, though everything works fine once they are unecessarily nested. The clips that seem to cause the crash (when not nested) are those that have been merged from Canon 7D footage with MP3 audio at 320k. Haven't had time to narrow it down further than that, yet.
I've been getting this issue just by doing ctrl + A on the timeline, and then ctrl + c. Instant crash, every time, even after several reboots. My only temporary solution is to duplicate and rename the timeline in the project window, and then delete the clips of the sequence I don't want, rather than duplicating within timeline. Not very happy with the super buggy issues in CC 2014 so far.
I have similar problems with 2014 (8.0.1), trying to multi-cam three or more cameras,quickly getting choppy playback with our without the mercury engine, The cameras are two Panasonics and a Canon whichav genreate AVCHD - mts files, and a Kodak flip which produces mov files. Merged or non-merged files makes no difference. There is something about the Canon that messes up more than two cameras.
No combination works with four cameras.
I fear that since this thread is so old, that there will be no response. Can we do something?
Just to be clear, you're also having a problem with crashing when selecting multiple clips like shown in the video in my original post? If you're experiencing something different (i.e. choppy playback or broken multicam) you might get better answers in one of those threads.
I am having this problem now (only started today) and I'm just working a really simple timeline with a bunch of single cam talking heads on it.
System has been fine until today;
OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601 Other OS Description Not Available OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation System Name EDIT-PC System Manufacturer Workstation Specialists System Model WS1650 System Type x64-based PC Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3930K CPU @ 3.20GHz, 3201 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date Intel Corp. SIX7910J.86A.0553.2012.1027.1042, 27/10/2012 SMBIOS Version 2.6 Windows Directory C:\Windows System Directory C:\Windows\system32 Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume5 Locale United Kingdom Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.1.7601.17514" User Name EDIT-PC\Dave Time Zone GMT Daylight Time Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 16.0 GB Total Physical Memory 15.9 GB Available Physical Memory 13.2 GB Total Virtual Memory 31.8 GB Available Virtual Memory 28.7 GB Page File Space 15.9 GB Page File C:\pagefile.sys
Don't know why or what to do now..
What version of PPr are you running? There are two things I've discovered regarding this bug:
1. When it first started happening to me, it was only when selecting clips that had been merged with separate audio. This was back in PPr CC 7.0. I think it was the 7.0.1 version that fixed my particular project.
2. The second time I discovered this bug was (I think) in PPr 8.0. I upgraded to 8.0.1 and it is still an issue. But I also was working on talking heads with separate audio (but I'm not merging the audio). I wrote about the solution elsewhere. If I could find my previous posts under this new forum system, I would link it here. Basically I determined that one of my clips was "causing" the crash. When I removed the beginning of that clip the problem was solved. Try isolating which clip(s) are causing the crash. Select the last half of your clips. Did it work? Select the first half of your clips, did that crash? Now select half of the clips that made it crash, and so on until you find the clip or two that causes crashing.
I suspect it has something to do with corrupt audio (or video). Look for clipping in your waveform. Or maybe oddities in the image. Cut a few frames off of the beginning and/or end of the clip. Can you select it now?
This is by no means a solution—only Adobe can provide us that—but it allowed me to get back to work for the time being and perhaps it can do the same for you.
Thanks for the response
I was trying to copy and paste a set of clips and titles - when the error occurs.
Having identified the issue surrounds only 5 clips that are essential to every talking head being produced from the timeline I worked out that the easiest answer was to duplicate the sequence and move the fresh heads into the grouping of video clips - this way avoided copying and pasting the materials causing the crash.
It's a really simple work around - but the crashes and finding out a way around it caused me 45 minutes of grief.
I don't know whether it's a faulty file or not as all the parts play properly, all the audio performs as it should, nothing is clipping and nothing is skipping.
I just don't know why its all of a sudden started happening.
My setup is: PP CC 2014 - 8.0.1 (21) Build
Just to report I've had the same problem with the latest version of Premiere Pro CC on Windows 8.1.
The only workaround I've found is to use the duplicate shortcut; while holding alt, drag the selected clips to where you want them to be. If you want to paste them in another sequence, just drag them until they are on top of the title of the destination sequence (in the timeline window, not in the project window). The timeline will switch to that sequence and you can simply drag and drop the clips where you want.
Thank you for the workaround, which may be helpful to some. However, you might be addressing a separate issue. You say,
drag the selected clips to where you want them to be
But that's exactly the problem. If a user has this problem (see original post), he cannot select clips without crashing Premiere Pro. I can't drag or duplicate clips, if I cannot select them.
oh... my bad! I didn't notice that you had the problem as soon as you "selected" the clips... I had the same exact problem once I "copied" or "cut" the selected clips though.
No problem. And thankfully I'm no longer experiencing this issue (for now...). Your point is a good one, however, and I think it applies to almost every area of Premiere Pro. Wherever possible use Duplicate, or drag and drop, instead of copy/cut and paste. I've run into other unrelated issues with cut/paste that duplicate or drag/drop solved. For example, I've had an occassional issue when cutting/pasting assets from one bin to another. Premiere can eventually lose track of the "link" to those assets and think they are missing or offline. In that case, dragging and dropping the media into the desired bin is the solution. If that bin is layers deep, I open up both source and destination bin, side-by-side, and drag from one to the other. It's a minor pain. Anyway, I suppose that's really OT.
Hi CS Cooper,
No problem. And thankfully I'm no longer experiencing this issue (for now...).
What did you do to fix the issue? Did you update to Premiere Pro CC 2014.1 (8.1)? It would be nice to know your fix.
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Read my post above from September 21. I don't think the issue is fixed, but in my case, I found a workaround.
Today ran into this crash issue with copying files. I can select everything but once I hit cntrl+C or Edit>copy freezes premiere. Frustrating. I'm on the newest version of CC.
I don't think there is a solution to this.
It happens for me with files that show no sign of corruption and will compress just fine, shift and copy singularly just fine and do anything else BUT collectively copy without a crash.
I have one by one removed every single file on a sequence and tried copying - but it still crashes. I don't believe it is the case of a corrupt file - video or audio, or that it's a peaking audio level - as this has happened to me on many projects that don't display any other symptom of corruption or degradation.
This to me - is a bug in the software.
I agree. I did not find any actual peaking or corruption in my clips either.
Rather than removing every file, one-by-one, try the opposite. Remove all but one of the clips (leave only one clip on the timeline). Then try to copy/paste. If you cannot then you know you've found the offending clip (or at least one of them). Lop off the first frame or two of that clip, then try again. Add clips to the timeline one-by-one, until all clips are added, or until you find the offending clip(s). After you've found all of the offending clips and lopped off the first couple of frames from them, can you now work with your project as intended?
Again, this worked for me. I don't know why it should, though. And I agree, Premiere Pro sounds messed up for you. I've learned to fear Adobe Premiere Pro CC upgrades. I'm currently sticking with 8.01. Are you now running 8.01 or the latest 8.1?
P.S. Maybe this thread should be split. It sounds like most are now talking about a new problem (copying clips) that differs from the original post (selecting clips).
Sounds like an interesting identification process - will have a look at that. I've also feared updates - but then also desired them - for each update brings resolution to a past problem so deep down we do need them. I'm updated to 8.1 Caravan.
Just to put a stone in the mix, I just copied and paste about 30 clips on a sequence without a hitch - something I've been deliberately avoiding over this issue - and it went without a hitch - maybe 8.1 Caravan has got rid - seems to have for me...
Still like the ID process for finding offending clips - will keep that in mind for the future..
True about the "select vs copy" although there seem to be a mixed bag here suffering very similar symptom...
Happened again today. Here's the thing though.. Prior to me selecting all the clips to copy I had run a compression which was successful - so all clips and all sound were fine - no corrupt ends / start frames and nothing wrong with anything applied to any of the clips.
I duplicated the sequence that had pushed out the correct compression - then opened the duplicate and selected materials / multiple files and PPCC 2014 Caravan crashed to a pale whitish screen which I had to close.
So from my perspective it's nothing to do with the material being selected - it's the program.
Subsequently now happening every time I try to copy several clips at once...
Scuba, are you running PPr 8.01 or 8.1?
running PPCC 2014.1 Release (8.1.0 (81) Build - or v8.1, Caravan.
Several times today I was able to pick up a whole sequence full of clips and other objects and move them (not copy), and others just selecting and copying more than 4 - 5 would bring a crash.
Thanks for the warning. I didn't think I would be updating to 8.1, yet. Now I'm certain of it. If you back up to version 8.0.1 do you still see this issue?
I am way too busy to back up.. I just don't have the time to devote to in depth experimenting. I have played around on selecting smaller groups of 3 -4 & 5 clips and it more often than not copes with that - for moving. Two or 3 clips at a time for copying and pasting I mostly get away with it..
ScubaBadger, another user with whom I've spoken had the same symptom you described.
Deleting all cache files solved the problem for him.
it's so random for me - but next time it happens I will give that a go...
I just read all your responses. I was having the same problem. I had a 5 minute timeline with a mixture of 24p and 60fps footage from a 5dMkiii and an s120. Every time I tried to copy the full sequence, which was set at 60, to a new timeline of 24p, the program would crash when I hit Ctrl+C. Like it was choking on all the clips being put into memory. I don't know why, but I figured I would try resetting the sequence, which deletes the sequence preview files (I think). So, I switched from DSLR to Arri, deleted all the preview files. After that, Ctrl+C worked, so I copied the whole timeline into the new sequence. Then I changed the sequence back to DSLR. It worked like a charm. Don't ask me why. But I think maybe what's happening is that somehow, the preview files get corrupt, which then makes it impossible to copy the bad data.
Okay, same issue: lots of clips on timeline (8+ minutes, action movie scene, so lots of cuts, etc.). I select all clips, right-click (or do anything using a shortcut that I might do by right-clicking, such as CTRL+C) and the software crashes.
I tried selecting 1/3 of the clips at a time, and was able to select, right-click, get a menu, etc. without any problems... so, there's no apparent clip that's at fault.
Tried deleting cache, getting rid of render files, etc. still, same problem...
I'm running a fully updated PPro CC on a robust Windows 7 PC that hasn't given me trouble on much longer or more complicated editing timelines.
SLIGHT UPDATE: I can drag-select all clips and right-click with no problem (haven't tried actually hitting "copy" or anything like that). but if I CTRL-A to select all clips, when I right-click, the software crashes.
There are no rogue clips on the timeline that I'm not selecting when I drag-select.
UPDATE 2: In addition to CTRL-A, if I use the TRACK SELECT tool to select multiple tracks, it doesn't matter if I'm selecting every clip in the timeline, or just every clip after a certain point, even near the end, right-clicking the selected clips crashes Premiere.
It was a clip in the timeline... two clips, actually - two different video clips, linked to the same audio clip in different places.
I'll try to describe this clearly, as this might be the solution many here have been looking for:
First: it's hard to identify the problem because certain types of selection (drag-select) seem to lead to working right-click and right-click-related functions (such as copying), whereas others (track select, both forward and back, and CTRL-A) lead to a crash when the selected footage is right-clicked or copied or otherwise manipulated using a keyboard command.
I had the additional trouble of the offending clip appearing late in the timeline, so it took longer to reach.
Here's the bug: I synchronized footage from multiple cameras to audio. In the edit, sometimes I use bits of camera A, sometimes bits of camera B, etc. This isn't a multicam sequence - just a plain old multi-track sequence with lots of video clips and the such. To keep things clean, I've kept only one copy of the audio (so multiple clips from multiple sources in different places in the timeline might be linked to the same audio clip). Usually, I cut these apart (so that if I move or adjust a clip in one part of the timeline, it doesn't move another clip elsewhere because the audio is connected). One of these, I missed, and it was causing all the headache. I selected the one clip (using the mouse - the eqivalent of drag-selecting, so the right-click menu worked) and unlinked the footage from the audio. Now, everything works beautifully again.
In the main - my system has settled - with the ability to collect multiple clips and copy them to other time lines.
Now and again it freezes to an opaque screen of death needing a re-start, but iits much less than it used to be.
Mine crashes a lot working with a Multicam sequence in a timeline as well, particularly around a cut (where both audio and video are spliced).
If I open the Multicam in its own timeline (where I see all of the video stacked), the playback is fine. My files are MXF, so I'm not sure if that's adding to the problem.
The weird part is everything was working fine (at least 3-4hours of work), then it started crashing consistently. At first taking my longer sequences and separating them into smaller sequences seemed to be the answer. But after about another 1-2 hours of editing, it started to crash again.
If any of you are interested, I can try and record a screen capture to illustrate my situation. Maybe Team Members at Adobe will benefit as well.
Well the problem might be solved anyway. I just updated Premiere CC about a week ago and that's about when the crashing began.
I saw there was a new update just a few minutes ago and installed it. For now the problem points are working fine. Time will tell. But if it acts up again, I'll make the recording and the bug report link.
Thanks for the help.