8 Replies Latest reply: Jul 2, 2013 5:05 PM by Peter Spier RSS

    Pages don't reflect changes in their master page

    Steven Hiatt Community Member

      I'm using InDesign CS5.5 (v. 7.5.3) with Mac OSX 10.8.4. I found one old question about this problem in another forum (with no submitted answer):

       

      Assume you have a simple document with one master which simply features a text frame. Well, now if you add some inset spacing to the text frame on the master, this is immediately reflected on the pages to which the master had been applied. However, if you edit the master again and set the inset spacing back to zero, the text frames on the pages to which the master had already been applied keep the inset spacing. If one adds new pages, the text frames have no inset spacing, as I would expect. Can someone tell me why InDesign behaves this way... i.e., why are the changes to the master not reflected on the assigned pages when I set the inset spacing back to zero.

       

      This question was asked re CS 2.0. The problem seems to remain in CS 5.5.

        • 1. Re: Pages don't reflect changes in their master page
          Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

          Where are you making the changes?

           

          If you make the change on the master page it should reflect.

           

          If you make the change on the normal pages, then it won't reflect. And if you reset the text frame in the Master it won't reflect in the pages.

           

          You're better off using an Object Style.

           

           

          To type in a text frame one needs to unlock it from the master to make that change.

           

          If you make an inset change in that frame then it's permanetly unlocked for this setting.

           

           

          Object Styles would be better for this.

          • 2. Re: Pages don't reflect changes in their master page
            Willi Adelberger CommunityMVP

            If you want to make changes to an object property you should not change the master page but the used object style (and use also object styles).

            • 3. Re: Pages don't reflect changes in their master page
              Steven Hiatt Community Member

              I made the changes to the frame inset in the master pages. This is a normal setting for frames, and not complex--and in any case, the point was that I had mistakenly set an inset value, but wanted to reset it to zero, so really nothing to create as an object style. So I reset the value to zero in the master pages. No update. I tried reapplying the changed master page to the doc pages. No update.

               

              You note: "And if you reset the text frame in the Master it won't reflect in the pages."

               

              Is this a known feature/bug? Why shouldn't inset values be part of master text frames and thus updated with them? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

               

              Thanks for the suggestion about object styles, though. I don't think it applies here, but I can see the usefulness elsewhere, and I've never really looked at them.

              • 4. Re: Pages don't reflect changes in their master page
                Willi Adelberger CommunityMVP

                There is no bug! The frame is an object. The inset is an object property. It has nothing to do with the fact that the object is on the master page. If you change a property of an object or of a text on the master it will be reflected on the pages only if they have not been overwritten on the pages. When you use the frame on a page then it is also overwritten. The link is at least partially broken.

                 

                That is why it is always a good idea to work with styles, this is the only way to make global changes to a document.

                Your answer reflects only that you are not common with the concept of styles. If you change properties of any element of the master it will only apply to the pages if this property is linked to the object on the master.

                 

                What I don't understand why it is difficult for many to use styles? It is worthy timesaving work.

                • 5. Re: Pages don't reflect changes in their master page
                  Steven Hiatt Community Member

                  Willi--Hmmm. I think I understand you. Although, if the text frame is an object whose link to the master is "partially broken" one shouldn't need to override the master objects to make local changes to elements on the page that are derived from the master page. This seems to be a case of Adobe's designers trying to have it both ways. That is, the elements established for a master page's text frame apply, and need to be overridden to be changed--except when they don't. And there seems to be no guide identifying those that do and those that don't. For example, if I make a change in the text for a header in a text frame on a master page, that change propagates directly through to all those pages based on that master. But text frame inset changes don't. This seems to be a sloppy conceptualization of master pages.

                   

                  Back to your suggestion: so if I had (in this case mistakenly) applied a 5p0 text frame inset as a feature of an object style (in this case, a chapter opener page), I could correct the problem by unapplying the object style. Do I have that correct?

                   

                  Thanks again--I will look into expanding my use of object styles in InDesign.

                  • 6. Re: Pages don't reflect changes in their master page
                    Willi Adelberger CommunityMVP

                    More in applying than unapplying.

                     

                    Other example:

                    When you have a text on the master, some people use placeholder text. When they override it on the page with other text, they are expecting when they change th formatting of the placeholder text on the master should be reflected on the page too.

                    But this is wrong. If content is overridden, the formatting is it too. That is why it is important to use styles—here in this example paragraph styles, in your case object styles—to force global changes in the whole document.

                     

                    I know, the other way to think comes from a vey different workflow in Quark Xpress. But this is not applicable in InDesign.

                    • 7. Re: Pages don't reflect changes in their master page
                      Steven Hiatt Community Member

                      I would have used a Header paragraph style in my example.

                       

                      In my case, my "template" for masters comes from Ventura (many years ago); and from work in software design. Thus my annoyance with Adobe--though even more for its neglect to document this "feature" than for designing it that way.

                       

                      Many thanks.

                      • 8. Re: Pages don't reflect changes in their master page
                        Peter Spier CommunityMVP

                        Steven Hiatt wrote:

                         

                        so if I had (in this case mistakenly) applied a 5p0 text frame inset as a feature of an object style (in this case, a chapter opener page), I could correct the problem by unapplying the object style. Do I have that correct?

                        No. You leave the style applied and change the inset in the style definition dialog.