7 Replies Latest reply: Jul 6, 2013 7:14 PM by the_wine_snob RSS

    Is there a trick to adjusting the Beats Detect Settings?

    MM in Carlsbad Community Member

      I'm having trouble with the results of Beats Detect in Premiere Elements 11? The Adobe Classroom in a Book offers no advice on adjusting the settings, other than to say that the defaults usually work fine.

       

      Can you offer any advice on those settings?  At this point, I feel that marking the beats manually with the * key is more reliable.

       

      Thanks.

       

      - Mike -

        • 1. Re: Is there a trick to adjusting the Beats Detect Settings?
          the_wine_snob Community Member

          You should have an adjustment dialog screen, where you can adjust:

           

          • Minimum time between beats in sec.
          • Difference in dbs
          • Window in ms

           

          The latter two are under the Advanced settings.

           

          Do you not get that dialog screen?

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: Is there a trick to adjusting the Beats Detect Settings?
            MM in Carlsbad Community Member

            Thanks for your reply, Bill.

             

            Yes, I see that dialog box.  Yet, after various experiments, I can't seem to get the Beats Detect to reliable mark the major beats in the soundtrack.  I was hoping for some guidance on recommended settings.

             

            - Mike -

            • 3. Re: Is there a trick to adjusting the Beats Detect Settings?
              A.T. Romano Community Member

              MM in Carlsbad

               

              I have never been able to master detecting musical beats. I had a relative who is a professional musician try to get me to understand what I was hearing, no way. Enough about my problems with this feature and me.

               

              Are you so musically inclined that you can hear the beats in music? If not, I would go with the defaults and let the feature's Difference identify the louder or lower beats and the other controls do their thing according to what you hear overall and adjust accordingly.  I do not see where recommended settings are going to help with the variation from music to music.

               

              Beats.JPG

              I will see if I can find someone who has customized the feature to his/her satisfaction and written about it.

               

              ATR

              • 4. Re: Is there a trick to adjusting the Beats Detect Settings?
                the_wine_snob Community Member

                Thanks for that info. I was afraid that you were not getting that dialog box.

                 

                My personal experience is very close to ATR's.

                 

                I normally use Adobe Audition, which does a far better job (but it should for the price), or use that * tapping. Then, if necessary, I will "fine tune" my Markers, by zooming the Timeline horizontally, then expanding the Audio Track vertically, to visually check those Markers, with the Waveform Display.

                 

                Maybe Steve G., or others, will have some useful tips on tweaking the settings in Beat Detect.

                 

                Good luck,

                 

                Hunt

                • 5. Re: Is there a trick to adjusting the Beats Detect Settings?
                  A.T. Romano Community Member

                  MM in Carlsbad

                   

                  As per my comment of searching around for some tips on those beat markers....

                   

                  Have you seen the following Adobe article..I suspect it tells you no more than you already know.

                  http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premiereelements/using/WS9488D20A-A1AC-42fb-B7E3-730C35D7EC96. html

                   

                  You may find this older thread (2009) from here of interest

                  http://forums.adobe.com/thread/390314

                   

                  That thread made me think "What happened to Create Slideshow Feature" when Premiere Elements 11 was released. In the 2009 thread, SG seems to indicate that was the Beats feature's most useful application.

                   

                  Premiere Elements 11 does have the Create Slideshow Feature. If you go to Project Assets and are in the List View and select more than one file, then right click in the highlight, you get a pop up which includes Create Slideshow. I need to road test that one.

                   

                  Just some thoughts for now.

                   

                  ATR

                  • 6. Re: Is there a trick to adjusting the Beats Detect Settings?
                    MM in Carlsbad Community Member

                    ATR - thanks for the links...had seen them and was still hoping for more clarification.

                     

                    Bill - I agree...the * tapping is the most practical for me at this point.

                     

                    While the Create Slideshow Feature has its benefits, I prefer to add photos/videos manually.  Varying the duration of photos, for example, seems to be preferred.  Forcing a cut at a consistant beat/rate would be a time-saver but probably disappointing in its result.

                     

                    Interesting point...using the * key for the tapping trick is something I learned in Premiere Pro.  It happens to work in PrElem11 but is not documented in the Help system, nor in Adobe's Classroom in a Book.  Too bad...it's a really handy trick.  Sometimes, its behavior varies between using the capitalized '8' key vs. the * on the 10-key pad (probably why it's not mentioned in those sources).

                     

                    Again...thanks, gents.

                     

                    - Mike -

                    • 7. Re: Is there a trick to adjusting the Beats Detect Settings?
                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                      Mike,

                       

                      You are most welcome. The * key, has always been the one on the numeric keypad, and works for me on both my laptops, plus my workstation.

                       

                      Hunt