9 Replies Latest reply on Jul 12, 2013 5:15 AM by Peter Spier

    Help please with Page Numbers & Facing Pages in Book Layout

    SarahSolich

      I am having some dramas with my book project which is 168 pages including cover.  I have created 22 different documents for the chapters and other pages.  I had everything in a book and have been able to create a PDF, but then I needed to remove the cover so it can be printed separately and to change the page numbering to start at 1 after the contents page.

       

      When I added numbers after the Contents page, it pushed all the pages out of order - ie what was previously sitting on the left was now sitting on the right etc.

       

      Removing the cover also impacted on individual spreads.

       

      Since then I have:

      - Updated my program to resolve an issue where Indesign kept shutting down when I tried to change page numbers.

      - Recreated the book twice, but find the spreads are all out of whack as I add them - doesn't appear to be auto paginating.

      - Called Adobe and got given tutorials that have not helped me resolve the issue because I have followed the tutorials but it hasn't resolved the issues I am having.

       

      Is there a way that you can stop autopagination and tell the pages which side they need to be on?  I currently have one chapter finishing on an even number of pages and the next starting on an odd, even though there are an even number of pages in that chapter, which is bizarre?  How do I fix this please?

       

      I would sincerely appreciate anyone who can tell me how to fix this.  I have read and watched so many tutorials showing how to set it up but there doesn't appear to be any that help with trouble shooting when you have followed the process but something bizarre happens.

       

      Is there a way that you can dictate the sides that the pages should be on?  Can you turn off the auto pagination anywhere?  This is an urgent request.

       

      Thanks,

      Hayley

       

      PS  I started in CS6 and am now using CC.

        • 1. Re: Help please with Page Numbers & Facing Pages in Book Layout
          Eugene Tyson Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          There was no need to pull the book apart like that. You could have kept it altogether and made a Print Ready PDF - then extracted the cover pages from the print document.

           

          Or you could have left it exactly how it was and not output the Cover during pdf - just select the other documents in the book.

           

          And finally you could have created a new file and Placed the pages that are the cover into a new file and used that for your cover.

           

           

           

          You can stop autopagination by turning the option off in the Book Panel sub menu (top right)

           

          You can dictate if a chapter starts on a recto or verso - see the book panel submenus for these options.

           

           

          A simple internet search brought up exactly how to do it - "InDesign Auto Pagination" - which you could have done in less than the time it took you to write your cry for help

          http://www.adobe.com/designcenter-archive/video_workshop/html/vid0217.html

           

           

          Remember - never panic - it's only a computer - whatever you've done can always be undone or recreated.

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          • 2. Re: Help please with Page Numbers & Facing Pages in Book Layout
            SarahSolich Level 1

            Thanks for your help.  I am hearing what you are saying about the PDF options, and these options you presented make sense to me, however, were not options due to my needing to change the numbering to start after the contents page.

             

            I am now in a very difficult situation where I no longer have a working book at all.  I have recreated the book but it keeps crashing when I try to move documents around and it also breaks the spreads in the middle of chapters and I am clueless as to why it is doing this.  My feeling is that there is a bug in it somewhere.

             

            As to telling the system to start a chapter on the right or left hand side, I can't find anywhere that gives me that option.  I have looked and relooked several times.  I looked in the book panel and I can find the numbering place but no options on which side it should start.  I am also clueless as to why it is breaking spreads when the previous chapter ended with a complete spread.  I would have thought it should start the next chapter on the left.

             

            I really do appreciate your advice, and I have spent two days now trying to resolve this issue watching everything I can find on it, so please bear that in mind when you comment.  I have followed all the tutorial steps correctly as far as I can see.

            • 3. Re: Help please with Page Numbers & Facing Pages in Book Layout
              SarahSolich Level 1

              Also, will turning off autopagination fix my problem of which side the spreads are turning up on?  Perhaps the question I asked was not the right question to be asking.  Perhaps I should have asked:

               

              1.  How do you stop Indesign from crashing once it starts doing that when you are working in the book facility?

              2.  How do you trouble shoot when pages are turning up on the wrong side of the page in a book?

              • 4. Re: Help please with Page Numbers & Facing Pages in Book Layout
                Eugene Tyson Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                As with anything that's continually crashing you should make a backup immediately!

                 

                If InDesign is crashing moving documents around then there's something wrong in one of the documents.

                 

                Add half the documents to the book - then move them around. If it crashes then it was one of those files.

                 

                Add half of them again and then move them around again until you narrow down which document is causing the issue.

                 

                Book Autopagenation

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                • 5. Re: Help please with Page Numbers & Facing Pages in Book Layout
                  Michael Gianino Level 4

                  A few things to consider:

                   

                  Not all books are the same, but many begin on page one, which is a right page, and as it follows, all odd pages will be on the right with even pages on the left. If your book had the cover as part of the book, I wonder if that meant that your first page was on the left?

                   

                  Books leaves hold two pages (front and back), and therefore book page counts need to be divisible by two. You say your book is 168 pages including the cover, which you moved to another document, leaving 167 book pages. If you were counting the back page, that might make for a 166 page book, which would be OK, but depending on how it will be printed, the page count may need to be divisible by 4, 8, 16, or higher, and the printer may need to add blank pages to get to the correct page count. Can you tell us how your book will be produced?

                   

                  Many people like to keep  their chapters in even-numbered page count, so that new chapters may start on the right. This sometimes requires you to have a blank left-sided page at the end of some chapters. This blank page is sometimes labeled "This page intentionally left blank" or some such wording (so as to let the reader know there wasn't a misprint), but isn't strictly necessary. Sometimes an ornament in the center of the page will do the same job.

                   

                  Do you think these are things you would like to have in your book, or are you opposed to them for any reason? The answers may narrow the advise you get from the forum users.

                  • 6. Re: Help please with Page Numbers & Facing Pages in Book Layout
                    SarahSolich Level 1

                    Thanks I found that place already.  I think I have solved my issue through going and hunting for verso and recto discussions.  It appears that if you don't have text on the page, then it will treat it will auto break.  So I have to either add some text and get it to start on next page as part of the text settings or anchor my graphic and get it to do the same thing.  Does that make sense to you?

                     

                    And yes, I think I know where the problem is.  There was a file that I kept having trouble with.  I did do a back up and re-add it but it is still giving me grief.

                     

                    I will go and play with anchoring graphics and working with the text to see if I can get the pagination right.  I do have the option to move my titles to the left hand page and place the image on the right.  That might fix the issue.

                     

                    Thanks again for your assistance.  Much appreciated.

                    • 7. Re: Help please with Page Numbers & Facing Pages in Book Layout
                      SarahSolich Level 1

                      HI Michael

                       

                      Thanks for your comments.  I did add blank pages for the inside cover to make up the pages.

                       

                      I was going to have the book cover (front and back plus two pages for inside cover) - plus the inside cover pages in a separate pdf with a spine inserted.  That would leave the book starting on the right hand side and should have been in spreads throughout as each chapter ended on the right.  However, since I worked on it, there are chapters that are now starting on the right even though the chapter ended on the right in the previous chapter.  That is my dilemma.

                       

                      I may have a bug in my files.  I am going to try somethings to see if I can fix that problem first.  I have uploaded the latest version of Indesign, so I think it has to be corrupted files. 

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                      • 8. Re: Help please with Page Numbers & Facing Pages in Book Layout
                        Eugene Tyson Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        Note that if you have Autopagination turned off then the pages won't auto return to recto or verso.

                        • 9. Re: Help please with Page Numbers & Facing Pages in Book Layout
                          Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                          HayleySolich wrote:

                           

                          However, since I worked on it, there are chapters that are now starting on the right even though the chapter ended on the right in the previous chapter.  That is my dilemma.

                           

                          I may have a bug in my files.  I am going to try somethings to see if I can fix that problem first.  I have uploaded the latest version of Indesign, so I think it has to be corrupted files. 

                          This sounds very much like it could be a Keep Option on the first paragraph fo the new chapter set to start on next right page.