9 Replies Latest reply: Jul 24, 2013 1:50 PM by Hqvideos RSS

    Encore CS5.5 authors a skipping Blu-Ray, but tsMuxer BDMV/.m2ts plays fine (PS3).

    evan_aggie Community Member

      I can't believe how complicated my simple task has become.

       

      I wanted to save some football games off my DVR so I can delete them and recorded it through a hauppauge device @ 14mbps w/ H.264 output to a .mp4 file.

       

      I loaded into Premiere and edited out the commercials, then exported w/ H.264 Blu-Ray preset.  It produced .m4v and .wav.  I combined those in tsMuxer and created the Blu-Ray directory structure (w/ .m2ts container file), burned it to a Blu-Ray Verbatim BD-R, and it plays flawlessly in my PS3.

       

      I wanted to add a menu and some other stuff before the football game plays. I opened up the .m2ts in Encore.  Encore basically said "Pending" for the transcoding status forever.  I bailed on that method.  I then fed Encore the .m4v and the .wav for the video/audio and finally it processed the files so I could create a .iso to test out my menu, etc. 

       

      I played the .iso on my computer through Aurora (trial) and it for some reason doesn't launch to the menu...it just launches straight into the video...fine, whatever, but it works.  When I put the Blu-Ray in my PS3, it took a while to load, went to the menu.  I clicked play and then it jumped to somewhere the middle of the football game footage.  I clicked play, and it sat forever...finally played smoothly for 5 seconds and then stopped, stutters, plays more for 2-3 seconds, etc.  This repeats and basically is unwatchable/pathetic.   My educated guess would be that somehow Encore created a video file with a higher mbps than what I gave it.  I'm trying to recall if I'm imagining somewhere where I set 15mbps (up to 20mbps max) in Encore.  I need to go look...this was the other day and I can't remember where I may have seen that.  Why is the Blu-Ray skipping so badly? My PS3 plays Blu-Ray movies just fine, and I really thought those were 20mbps+.   Any suggestions would be appreciated.  As of now I can only count on what tSmuxer produces for me: the BDMV folders.

       

       

      Unrelated question, but I created 1 menu, with 1 custom button from an image.  The button in the unselected mode is not highlighted, and I confirmed this in the button-mode previews.   However, when I preview the menu in Encore and move my mouse, the button highlights (which is the button selected image).  When I burned the Blu-Ray disc, despite the stuttering, the menu does show on my PS3, but the image is immediately selected and highlighted.

       

      Oh, one more unrelated question:  It looks like the audio drifts out of sync from the video in  Premiere.  The original .mp4 is all in sync.   I can't tell if when I cut the video and stitch it together to edit out commercials (ripple delete), if it is somehow screwing up.  I didn't see out-of-sync issues in the first half of my 2.5 hr project.  The 2nd half required me sliding the audio +00:15-20 frames to the right (later).  The input/output audio spec looks identical in the project.

       

      Thanks!

        • 1. Re: Encore CS5.5 authors a skipping Blu-Ray, but tsMuxer BDMV/.m2ts plays fine (PS3).
          Stan Jones CommunityMVP

          Not sure I follow all of that, and for the purpose of sorting out a bluray disk from Encore, I'm going to ignore the tsMuxer. But it sounds like Encore "liked" the m4v/wav files, but you don't know if they were re-transcoded.

           

          Create a new Encore project for a test. Import "as timeline" the m4v/wav files (select both). In the Project Panel, look at the "Bluray Transcode Status." What does it say?

           

          Re the other issues, post a screenshot of your flowchart in the main Encore project.

          • 2. Re: Encore CS5.5 authors a skipping Blu-Ray, but tsMuxer BDMV/.m2ts plays fine (PS3).
            evan_aggie Community Member

            Sure, I can do that later today.

             

            Are you familiar with tsmuxer?  tsmuxer will take the .wav and .m4v file, combine them in the m2ts container file and create the blu-ray folder structure.  It plays smoothly on my ps3.  I was only saying that snippet so it is clear that my PS3 can play home-built blu-ray movies on my media smoothly. It is just a reference/comparison point: my BD-R media probably is not an issue.

             

            I gave Encore the .mt2s and it barfed.  As you said, Encore works with .wav and .m4v file from Premiere.  I set transcode setting to "automatic" for blu-ray movie.  It said pending, and then calculated 5%, 10%, 15% etc up to 100% complete, and I'm fairly confident (not in front of me at the moment) that it indicated transcoding was not necessary.  When I built the project to an .iso image, it took an hour or so, with a lot of time being spent on the "building and rendering menu".  Transcoding video in my experience would have resulted in a 5-6hr process (on my old  yorkdale QX9650), which is why I think it was fine.

             

            I'll take a screen shot and show you my flow chart.  It is quite simple.  Project/Disc->Menu w/ Button-> Media File (default return to last menu).

            • 3. Re: Encore CS5.5 authors a skipping Blu-Ray, but tsMuxer BDMV/.m2ts plays fine (PS3).
              Stan Jones CommunityMVP

              I have not used tsMuxer, but do understand its function. And I agree that it is relevant to showing that the PS3 handles your material in a bluray structure.

               

              As you note, Encore has often been shown to prefer demuxed assets. And yes, from  your description, it sounds likely that Encore did not re-transcode the file. But something is going on.

               

              I would still do the experiment with the new project. Just export a short (5 minute) m4v/wav from PR.

              • 4. Re: Encore CS5.5 authors a skipping Blu-Ray, but tsMuxer BDMV/.m2ts plays fine (PS3).
                evan_aggie Community Member

                Hey Steve,

                 

                So here is a snippet from my project and it shows the bluray file.  Interestingly, it does say untranscoded.  Keep in mind, this is an output .m4v and .wav from Premiere with H.264 Blu-Ray setting.   I set Encore to automatic.  If it did indeed transcode, it probably didn't output a much larger bit-rate as the total file size burned via the .iso image was about the same size as the .m4v + .wav files.

                 

                https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hqRihD0ySQA/UedrJ90KSaI/AAAAAAAAFM0/vy-8pgCeTco/w958-h773-no/bluray_overview.jpg

                 

                 

                As for my other issue...here is my flow chart.  Like I said..very simple:  Image for menu that i converted to one button (the player in white).  The preview build in Encore shows the player being highlighted the moment I move the mouse, even though the button region is the outer limits of the guy in white.

                https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Y7g_y_LlzGk/UedrJximeUI/AAAAAAAAFMs/roPsZqUu6lM/w958-h540-no/bluray_flow_chart.jpg

                 

                 

                Here is what the menu looks like from time 0.  My only guess is that maybe I need two buttons present such that it understand which is selected if any.  Again, don't be fooled by the "button depressed" preview as it actually shows up that way the moment the mouse is moved at all, or in this case on the ps3, the moment the menu loads.

                 

                https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mFOdvtwUfx4/UedrJ7BJL2I/AAAAAAAAFMw/Tw__nFgQ8Vw/w958-h540-no/bluray_menu_button.jpg

                • 5. Re: Encore CS5.5 authors a skipping Blu-Ray, but tsMuxer BDMV/.m2ts plays fine (PS3).
                  Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                  I do not see a problem with the flowchart.

                   

                  I worry a bit about a "button" that is that large. Even with bluray, you've created a rectangle that covers a lot of the screen. As a test, use a "regular" button that is not near the edges.

                   

                   

                  Interestingly, it does say untranscoded.

                  It should not. Are you changing any setting in the H.264 Bluray preset?

                  • 6. Re: Encore CS5.5 authors a skipping Blu-Ray, but tsMuxer BDMV/.m2ts plays fine (PS3).
                    evan_aggie Community Member

                    Regarding buttons: if you only have one button, how does a bluray player (no mouse) understand when you've selected the single button versus selecting nothing?

                     

                    I can understand if you have a mouse, but otherwise on a PS3 or any other bluray player, you just have left, right, up, down.  If the size is the issue, I can just change the button area to a much smaller area while still highlighting the entire person.

                     

                    Thanks again for taking the time to offer suggestions!  I'll look at the Bluray preset.

                    • 7. Re: Encore CS5.5 authors a skipping Blu-Ray, but tsMuxer BDMV/.m2ts plays fine (PS3).
                      Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                      You can set the menu properties for the default button to be "none." I don't think that is a problem. Some menus/button actions misbehave if Encore doesn't interpret their position on screen correctly, and that has happened when the button/parts of the button is too close to the side. Totally guessing at what might result in your problems.

                      • 8. Re: Encore CS5.5 authors a skipping Blu-Ray, but tsMuxer BDMV/.m2ts plays fine (PS3).
                        PMK3 Community Member

                        evan_aggie wrote:

                         

                        Why is the Blu-Ray skipping so badly?

                        Difficult to say, but skipping can for example happen when using to high video bitrate, using the wrong buffer size and when using pyramid. You can also have playback problems when using weighted-p, using to many b-frames or reference frames and also when using a h.264 that is not fully blu-ray compliant.

                        • 9. Re: Encore CS5.5 authors a skipping Blu-Ray, but tsMuxer BDMV/.m2ts plays fine (PS3).
                          Hqvideos

                          evan_aggie, to solve your A/V sync issues, i would use an application outside of Pr such as VideoRedo to make sure it is in sync. Then, import that file into Pr and make your cuts and edits then export into En.

                           

                          I also use the Hauppage to capture my HD video into .mp4 or m2ts format. Even though it is blu ray compliant such as 1080i 29.97 fps, when i import into En, it always says "Automatic" under Blu Ray transcode settings.

                           

                          I would like it to say "Do Not Transcode" but have not found a way to do this.

                           

                          Is there a software, freeware or workflow to make this happen after importing into En? I do not want to transcode the file. My project settings is set to h.264 blu ray at 20 mb per sec.

                           

                          thanks,