13 Replies Latest reply: Jul 18, 2013 5:47 AM by stein016 RSS

    Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11

    stein016 Community Member

      Having just purchased Panasonic DMC-LF1 and after downloading the latest update for PS Elements 11, Elements still will not recognize the LF-1 RAW files. Please help.

        • 1. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
          A.T. Romano Community Member

          stein016

           

          You realize that installation of Camera Raw that supports your camera allows you only to import the raw file into Premiere Elements 11 project, not edit it there in the Camera Raw dialog. For that you need Photoshop Elements. All that being said...

           

          1. Premiere Elements 11 Camera Raw appears to be at 7.4. No updates beyond that so far under Help Menu/Updates or elsewhere.

           

          2. When I look in the Adobe Camera Raw Supported Camera list

          http://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

          I find "Panasonic DMC-LF1" which appears to need Camera Raw 8.1 which is not available to Premiere Elements 11 at this time.

          http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/06/camera-raw-8-1-and-dng-converter-8-1-now-a vailable.html

           

          Probably the people in the Photoshop Elements Forum may have a better perspective on when if ever this Camera Raw 8.1 will arrive and for what version 11 or the next version.

           

          Additional references if needed

          http://blogs.adobe.com/richardcurtis/?p=898

          http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/06/camera-raw-8-1-and-dng-converter-8-1-now-a vailable.html

           

          More later.

           

          ATR

          • 2. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
            whsprague Community Member

            It surprises me how frequently this subject comes up.  People seem to frequently buy brand new models without doing any reading about the software they intend to use.

             

            All of Adobe's products use Adobe Camera Raw ("ACR") to "translate" RAW photos files into something visible.  I think the current version is 8.1.  Every few months, there is a new version that includes any new models.  I can't tell if the camera company needs to send information to Adobe or if Adobe has to ask for it.  With each version, Adobe lists the cameras that are added.

             

            Elements has a track record of a new version about once a year, usually in the Fall.  Version 11 has the ability built in to use the 7.x series of ACR.  It won't and can't use the 8.x series.  So, if your brand new camera, is included in the 8.x series, you are out of luck using ACR with PE/PrE for your files.

             

            There are other choices that work very well.  Most, if not all, cameras that shoot RAW, come with software that will process the RAW files and save them in a form suitable for PE/PrE.  Note that camera manufacturers don't normally provide software that will run on Apples.

             

            Another choice is to use Adobe's free "DNG Converter" on either a PC or Apple.  It is updated on the same schedule with ACR.  If (or when) your camera is included in the ACR cycle, DNG converter will have it too.  DNG converter will translate your camera's RAW format to Adobe's DNG raw format and that can be edited in PE/PrE11.

             

            Good luck!  I read your camera has the unique feature of having a viewfinder.  That's nice!

            • 3. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
              stein016 Community Member

              This does answer my question. So for the time being I intend  to shoot in RAW + jpeg and save the RAW for later editing (read 'playing'). This is a compact camera but includes an electronic viewfinder for those bright, sunny days. Since this will be my main travel camera the physical size and viewfinder were one of my main requirements. The Panasonic DMC-LF1 just hit the market on July 5, 2013 and is my first camera that includes RAW so I guess I'll just wait a bit before I start figuring out RAW editing.

              • 4. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
                A.T. Romano Community Member

                stein016

                 

                Thanks for the follow up.

                 

                Keep a watch for Adobe's activities in this regard.

                 

                I am in the process of downloading the DNG Converter 8.1 to check it out. I do not have any high end products or am involved in the Adobe CC products. Just have Premiere Elements versions 11 through 4.

                 

                Sounds like exciting opportunities with your new Panasonic camera.

                 

                ATR

                • 5. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
                  John T Smith MVP

                  >update for PS Elements 11

                   

                  If you are talking about Photoshop Elements, it is a different product, with a different forum

                   

                  http://forums.adobe.com/community/photoshop_elements

                  • 6. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
                    whsprague Community Member

                    John T Smith wrote:

                     

                    >update for PS Elements 11

                     

                    If you are talking about Photoshop Elements, it is a different product, with a different forum

                     

                    http://forums.adobe.com/community/photoshop_elements

                    John,

                     

                    I think the OP did write "PS Elements" in his opening.  However the ACR discussion applies to both PE and PrE.

                     

                    It seems to be little know, understood or discussed.  PrE does use ACR.  It comes into play somehow when you want to put a still photo into a PrE project and that still photo is in a RAW format.  The first clue came when I updated PE for a new camera.  Some Adobe updater took over and reported that it updated two applications with a new version of ACR.  I only had two Adobe applications so I assumed the other was PrE. 

                     

                    I had begun shooting RAW stills so had a few files to try.  They slid into PrE just like any other media and I was able to make a slideshow.  No resizing or other preprosessing was necessary.  Although nowhere near the capability of Lightroom, the PrE Adjust tab and Effects function with RAW photo files. 

                     

                    Bill

                    • 7. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
                      A.T. Romano Community Member

                      stein016

                       

                      I have something that you might want to explore and experiment with until Camera Raw 8.1 makes its way to some version of Elements (Photoshop Elements/Premiere Elements).

                       

                      I downloaded some raw (RW2) files from your Panasonic LF1 camera and put them through the Adobe DNG Converter 8.1 which I just downloaded to my Windows 7 64 bit computer. The download updated my previously installed Adobe DNG Converter 7.4.

                       

                      The DNG Converter 8.1 converted the RW2 to DNG files which easily imported into Premiere Elements 11 (the DNG files were 4000 x 3000 pixels and each with a file size of 13.9 MB). If you are interested in this exploration and experimentation, the Adobe DNG Converter 8.1 can be downloaded from Adobe

                      http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5597

                       

                      And more information from:

                      http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/extend.displayTab2.html

                       

                      Please let me know if you need further information about the use of RAW and DNG images in Premiere Elements. I have written about Camera Raw Premiere Elements side of things going back several versions in First Look reports as well as in Daily Discoveries which can be found online for the past several years.

                       

                      Thanks.

                       

                      ATR

                       

                      Add On...If you do not have the time to download the Adobe DNG Converter 8.1, you can still convert your Panasonic LF1 RW2 to DNG with Adobe DNG Converter 7.4.

                      • 8. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
                        stein016 Community Member

                        Thanks for the heads up on the Adobe DNG converters 7.4 and 8.1. I'm using the same Windows 7 64 bit computer as you and I will check the converter out.

                         

                        I have been using Adobe Photoshop CS3 for many years - it's pretty ancient but I've decided not to purchase  newer versions because of cost. I know Elements is nowhere as in depth as CS3 but as I am retired I can't justify the cost of upgrading to CS6 or CC. (And adding this new camera and a second 24" monitor has used up all my "photo" funds for the foreseeable future.)  Also I find I can do the majority of edits, etc using Elements vs CS - with a few dashes back to my trusty old CS3 for fine tuning.

                         

                        Thanks to everyone for all your help and advise.

                        • 9. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
                          stein016 Community Member

                          I just downloaded Adobe DNG Converter 8.1 and it kicked into gear and converted all my RAW files from the DMC-LF1. I can open them in Elements 11 (but CS3 doesn't like them). But I am happy, happy, happy. One more aggravation solved. Once again, thanks to everyone for their help.

                          • 10. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
                            A.T. Romano Community Member

                            stein016

                             

                            Great, great news. Glad that worked out well for you.

                             

                            Keep a watch on the number of dng files (any very large files) on the project Timeline and your computer resources. With Premiere Elements 11 on a 64 bit system, you may be able to stretch the classical recommendation of pixel dimensions not to exceed 2200 x 1238 or thereabouts for HD projects, but...The pixel dimensions of the RW2 samples from your brand model camera that I looked at were about 4000 x 3000. I had only a few of them and had no problems getting them into Premiere Elements 11 on Window 7 64 bit as dng files. Some have no problems with raw or dng files with those large pixels dimensions and greater while others cannot handle it. Determine your limits before the grand projects.

                             

                            Continued success with your new camera and projects.

                             

                            ATR

                            • 11. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
                              whsprague Community Member

                              A.T. Romano wrote:

                               

                              Keep a watch on the number of dng files (any very large files) on the project Timeline and your computer resources. With Premiere Elements 11 on a 64 bit system, you may be able to stretch the classical recommendation of pixel dimensions not to exceed 2200 x 1238 or thereabouts for HD projects, but...The pixel dimensions of the RW2 samples from your brand model camera that I looked at were about 4000 x 3000. I had only a few of them and had no problems getting them into Premiere Elements 11 on Window 7 64 bit as dng files. Some have no problems with raw or dng files with those large pixels dimensions and greater while others cannot handle it. Determine your limits before the grand projects.

                              Where does that come from?  Not knowing better, I've used many huge RAW files in a PrE slideshow project and found no issues with speed, picture quality or performance.  What document or instruction says you need to pre-process for 2200 x 1238?  It it from an old version?

                              • 12. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
                                A.T. Romano Community Member

                                whsprague

                                 

                                You have been down this road before. Not only with me but with others.

                                 

                                We have gotten your message on what works for you but which does not necessarily works for all.

                                 

                                ATR

                                • 13. Re: Panasonic DMC-LF1 RAW files and Elements 11
                                  stein016 Community Member

                                  Thanks for that info on RAW file sizes. As I use Blurb for my travel journals and run 240+ pages with multiple photos per page I will be watchful of the number and size/type of  photo files I include. I do have 3 back up hard drives so will keep an eye on where my 45,000+ photos are stored and used.

                                   

                                  Thanks