3 Replies Latest reply on Jul 18, 2013 5:28 AM by careington_cbs

    Table of Contents on Alternative Layouts

    careington_cbs

      Hello Everyone,

       

      I am not sure if I am the only one with this issue or workflow. We do proposals in booklet format and they often require table of contents. Normally the proposals are very similar. Often times the header changes, but the content is the same. Just depends on the Vice President and client receiving the proposal. So, when the headers change, the TOC has to match. So, I could just overwrite the headers, updated the TOC, but then a few days later, I have to revert them back to the previous headers, update the TOC again.

       

      So, my solution is alternative layouts. Two very similar proposals, with the different headers, which also need new TOC to match those headers.

       

      My issue is I can change the parent TOC, but not the child or the second alternative layout. It will not update or allow me to update the TOC because it is grayed out.

       

      Just frustrated. I could just create a new file doing a save as, but then I would have multiple files that are technically the same, with just one header being different.

       

      I am currently using Adobe Creative Cloud on a Windows 7 platform.

       

      I tested this, but there are not many options to choose. I chose replace existing TOC, but that does what it says, and replaces the TOC with all the headers now from both layouts. I cannot seem to have two separate TOC on two separate layouts and have both of them update with their respective page headers.

       

      Thanks,

      Mike

        • 1. Re: Table of Contents on Alternative Layouts
          Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          When the InDesign engineers add a new feature (like Alternate Layouts in CS6), they usually have a customer need (or needs) in mind, and they try to implement as many of the ways this new feature relates to older features as they can.

           

          The Alternate Layout feature, frankly, was intended primarily for designers who are creating tablet apps. Tablets can display both horizontally and vertically, and can have many different pixel dimensions and pixel ratios.

           

          While this feature can also be used in print applications, that's what it was primarily intended for. I've demonstrated to classes how you can use this to create multiple size posters or flyers for print, and the feature works fine. However, I think you've run into an "edge case" that engineers didn't forsee.

           

          I think the TOC feature was not part of their thinking nor their testing, and the two features appear not to work together. I'd suggest you file a feature request here:

           

          Adobe - Feature Request/Bug Report Form

          • 2. Re: Table of Contents on Alternative Layouts
            Joel Cherney Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            Steve's take on this is interesting. Not what I expected. He's totally right, though - I looked at Alternate Layouts thinking I could use it the way you are trying to, but after a few experiments I blew it off, and since then have only used it for the tablet-publishing-related experimentation it seems to be meant for.

             

            But in terms of solving your issue now: is it possible to pull this off using conditional text? I haven't tried it myself, but it seems like it ought to work. Apply a condition, update the TOC, export a PDF, apply the other condition, update the TOC, export the second PDF? Because it seems to me that the conditional text tool was made with your situation in mind, and I have used it in projects that had stringent requirements for the TOC.

            • 3. Re: Table of Contents on Alternative Layouts
              careington_cbs Level 1

              Thank you Steve and Joel. Very interesting. I will first go ahead and ask for a feature request. I imagine in my mind that even if the alternative styles were for tablets, that if you had the need for TOC say an online magazine or something that would want a feature like that. I do not know much about conditional text. So, I will dust off my old InDesign books and try to learn it before posting another message.

               

              Thank you both for trying though. I wanted to make sure I tried everything. Mike