15 Replies Latest reply on Jul 24, 2013 8:17 AM by adobenewbie123

    Stabilizing

    adobenewbie123 Level 1

      I am still try to finish post production in Premiere Elements 10 (an endless prcoess for me)  and I wanted to get this board's opinion on stabilization.  I purchased a great software program called Mercalli Easy Video Stabilizer 2.0 and I feel it does an amazing job at stabilizing video.  (we had to shoot  afew scenes without the tripod) On the down side , i noticed a small but definitely noticeable decrease in quality which I am guessing can be attributed to the folloing 3 reasons in varying degree:

       

      1.  It's not a plug-in so i ahve to export the section out of my project to add the stabilizing effect and then import the updated fil eback in

       

      2  There are no specific output settings on mercalli, jst wmv and mpeg so I am saving to wmv, in order to maintain the hd, but i do not believe i am maintainig the full hd project settings of 1920x1080. Then tack on reason #1 and I am creating a second generation video with settigns that do not match.

       

      3.  It requires a zoomig effect to stabilize and I believe that zoom wil always decrease quality to soe extent?

       

       

      Still, all an all, not a horrible decrease in quality so maybe it's a good tradeoff to get the superior stabilization effect.  I do not believe that I will get the same smoothing with the built-in adobe effect but I wanted to get a senee if people feel the quality of the video will be noticeably better after stabilizing within Adobe's effects.

       

      Thanks for your time!

        • 1. Re: Stabilizing
          A.T. Romano Level 7

          adobenewbie123

           

          You wrote

          1.  It's not a plug-in so i have to export the section out of my project to add the stabilizing effect and then import the updated file back in

           

          Why? I thought that Mercali Stabilizer came as a plug-in which could be used by Premiere Elements

          http://johnrappold.org/photoblog/index,php/review-prodad-mercalli-video-stabilization-plug in/

           

          And, it seems to show compatibility with Premiere Elements including versions 11, 10, 9, and 8 Windows.

          http://www.prodad.com/home/products/video_optimization/300391667/plugins,l-us.html

           

          So how do you find yourself in the situation involving all these file transfers from program to program?

           

          What am I missing?

           

          ATR

          • 2. Re: Stabilizing
            adobenewbie123 Level 1

            Wow, if this can be  a plugin, then this would be a game changer.  Maybe I just purcahsed the wrong version?  (it was a few months ago)  Just like with any software, i installed on my machine so it was part of my program files.  I basically considered it a standalone. I'll review your links now.

             

            Thanks!!

            • 3. Re: Stabilizing
              A.T. Romano Level 7

              adobenewbie123

               

              We will be watching for your results. I was going to try to download the tryout to see what I would get, but decided to wait for further details on your present situation.

               

              Depending on what you find out, you may want to download the tryout before purchasing it.

               

              Hope this turns out well.

               

              ATR

              • 4. Re: Stabilizing
                nealeh Level 5

                adobenewbie123 wrote:

                 

                Mercalli Easy Video Stabilizer 2.0

                 

                This is a cut down version of ProDad Mercalli v2. According to its website.

                 

                Mercalli Easy not only stabilizes and adjusts your video, but exports into common formats needed for posting on popular sharing sites, copying to mobile devices or creating a DVD to watch on the big screen.

                 

                It's an extra $99 to upgrade to the full featured version that would give the full range of export formats.

                 

                Cheers,
                --
                Neale
                Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children.

                • 5. Re: Stabilizing
                  A.T. Romano Level 7

                  nealeh

                   

                  Is what you are describing the standalone, non plug-in for Premiere Elements, or can it be both?

                   

                  It sounds like there are two different species and unfortunately what adobenewbie123 has the standalone and not the plug-in whose use would be expected to avoid all these file transfers.

                   

                  ATR

                  • 6. Re: Stabilizing
                    adobenewbie123 Level 1

                    I would like t try avoiding spending money for another upgrade.  Any feedback on plan B which would be to just use the stabilization built within the Adobe default effects? I know it won't be as stabilized  but perhaps the quality drop will be less?

                     

                    Thanks!

                    • 7. Re: Stabilizing
                      nealeh Level 5

                      The full version (plug-in and standalone) is $249. I think the $99 upgrade is for the standalone only.

                       

                      Cheers,
                      --
                      Neale
                      Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children.

                      • 8. Re: Stabilizing
                        A.T. Romano Level 7

                        adobenewbie123

                         

                        The results are going to depend on the nature of the stabilization being required.

                         

                        Have you done the critical test where, for a given video with its particular stabilization issues, you compare the trade off between the extent of the video stabilization that can be done within Premiere Elements versus the routine you have been using with Mercalli and all those file transfers.

                         

                        I do not believe that there is one size fits all for Premiere Elements Video Stabilizer. It appears to be exploration and experimentation to find the best you can do with it.

                         

                        Did you see this thread

                        http://muvipix.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11865&p=101253&hilit=Mercalli+Video+Stabili zer#p101253

                         

                        ATR

                        • 9. Re: Stabilizing
                          nealeh Level 5

                          I'm pretty sure the quality drop will be noticeably less, as you're starting with 1920x1080 HD source and Mercalli Easy is using compressed formats.

                           

                          Why not try it out and see. It is an Effect so like any other effect drag it to your clip.

                           

                          Cheers,
                          --
                          Neale
                          Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children.

                          • 10. Re: Stabilizing
                            A.T. Romano Level 7

                            adobenewbie123

                             

                            If you do your comparative workflows, one thing I would like you to note....

                             

                            a. If you go the Mercalli route as you have with the file transfers, when you get back to Premiere Elements, what does the time to render that file on the Timeline look like?

                             

                            as compared to

                             

                            b. Applying the Premiere Elements Video Stabilizer effect to the Timeline file and then rendering that file there on the Timeline?

                             

                            ATR

                            • 11. Re: Stabilizing
                              adobenewbie123 Level 1

                              Thanks everyone for the input.  i did a comparison and realize that the mercalli is so far superior to the builtin adobe effect, that is worth sacraficing some quality to get the superior stabilization.

                               

                              Perhaps down the road , I'll purchase the plugin version of mercalli but for now, I can definitely live with the results from exporting it out into Mercalli.

                               

                              One final question.  My format options for the Mercalli output is WMV-Progressive, WMV-Standard,  and  Microsoft MPEG2.  Knowing that the video started as Hd1980x1020, any recommendations for the format? I have been using WMV progressive.  There is also a profile dropdown for high, medium and low quality and of course, i am picking high quality for that, even though it takes longer.

                              • 12. Re: Stabilizing
                                A.T. Romano Level 7

                                adobenewbie123

                                 

                                I would second your choice for the wmv progressive with the high quality.

                                 

                                Did you run into any of this 1/2 wmv display related to a recent Windows Update kb?

                                 

                                As always, continued success, your progress is great and growing.

                                 

                                ATR

                                • 13. Re: Stabilizing
                                  adobenewbie123 Level 1

                                  Oh my God, you must be psychic!!!  i was just about to report that I can only see half the screen on the mercali export, after importing back into adobe!  I've worked with wmv with some other clips in this Adobe setting and never had this issue before .  Is this fixable?  When I export it out again from adobe to a avchd or directly to a blu-ray, will the screen still  get cut off?

                                  • 14. Re: Stabilizing
                                    A.T. Romano Level 7

                                    adobenewbie123

                                     

                                    That 1/2 wmv display related to a recent Windows Update kb has been a major thread topic.

                                     

                                    Check out the Announcement at the top of this forum for the kb details. It should look like this

                                    MicroSoft has issued an Update for Windows, that is causing problems with Displays. The following is from Talbot McInnis, who tracked down this problem, and offers a fix:

                                     

                                    "MS bulliten MS13-057.  Specifically, on XP kb2834904 and on windows 7 kb2803821 is causing a problem

                                    .

                                    For us, it occurs when decoding WMV9 files.  Not all uses of WMV decoding are affected, but I confirmed that when connecting the WMV decode DLL to a sample grabber for RGB32 video, the frames arrive black on top, so that points directly to decoding internals of the WMV Decode dll.

                                     

                                    You can uninstall these windows updates to resolve your problem."

                                     

                                    There are several threads on the problem that this Update is causing on the PrE and PrPro Forums, so one can get more details. So far, there is not another fix from either MS, or Adobe.

                                     

                                    Also, see this Adobe KB Article: http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/kb/wmv-files-corrupted-import-or.h tml

                                      by Bill Hunt (Jul 12, 2013)

                                     

                                    Major helpful suggestions include....

                                    a. For now setting Windows Updates for notification and approval before any downloading and installing of them

                                    b. If you do catch the offending kb in Important Updates, right click it and select Hide. That is supposed to keep it from coming back

                                     

                                    Please let us know if you have gotten rid of that problem kb as defined in the Announcement.

                                     

                                    Thanks.

                                     

                                    ATR

                                    • 15. Re: Stabilizing
                                      adobenewbie123 Level 1

                                      Here is the solution that I came up with which seemed to work as well. I used Media Converter 8 to convert the format from .wmv to mp4.  Then I imported the mp4 into adobe and everything looks good again.

                                       

                                      Thanks for the ehads up about this!