10 Replies Latest reply on Sep 23, 2013 8:28 AM by Rick Gerard

    Please help me with export settings and format

    SeanPercy42

      I'll try to explain my problem the best I can. I recently captured some footage from old VHS tapes to use in a Christmas video. I imported one of the MPGs that I captured to AE and applied a grain removal plus a couple other lighting effects to the video to improve the quality as well as I could. When I went to export it (through the render que) I found myself confronted with a huge amount of format options and after doing some reading online thought a Quicktime .MOV file with Photo JPEG compression would give me a reasonable size video but after doing the math (an a bit of the rendering) realized that my 2 hour video, that was originally only around 6GB was being converted into a .MOV file that was around 80GB, which is too large for my HDD. Now, I would love to go out and purchase a 1TB SSD right now but I can't currently afford it. I need to end up with a file as close to the original file size as possible but with the grain removed, and the highest quality (for the file size) and just need to know the best settings to use to accomplish that. I looked around for several hours and couldn't find a quick and easy answer like "just export a MPEG 2 file" with ..... settings. The file is going to be imported into Premiere for final edit with several others that are probably going to need the same adjustments. It will then be exported to a 1080p BluRay (with an HD photo slideshow). Also I am using Production Premium CS4, if that makes any difference.

       

      Any quick tips about the grain removal effect would be greatly appreciated as well. I'm currently using a removal amount of .8 with the effect running 6 passes. I also changed the texture setting under "fine tuning" to .4.  It's a little blury but MUCH better than grainy, and about as good as I can expect from a 25 year old VHS. If you've used this effect before and know a couple little tweaks I could apply to make the video a little sharper (without the grain) that would be amazing.

       

      Thanks in advance.

        • 1. Re: Please help me with export settings and format
          Dave LaRonde Level 6

          If you're a fan of Quicktime movies, try a QT in the H.264 codec.  But DO NOT use AE to render the file.  Instead, open the AE project in Adobe Media Encoder, navigate to the appropriate comp(s) and do the compression using one of AME's presets.  You can build a QT H.264 preset if necessary.

           

          A 2-hour-long file will take a good deal of time to complete.  Do it overnight.  Computers don't have to sleep.

          • 2. Re: Please help me with export settings and format
            Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

            1. Reverse your workflow: import your MPG files into Premiere Pro, cut your movie and only then send clips from PrPro timeline to AE for de-noising - this way you won't waste your time on something that never appears in the final output.

             

            2. Check this good old VideoCopilot tutorial - you'll find some ideas on how to apply de-noising selectively instead of the whole frame, which may result in a better de-noising quality.

             

            3. For SD digital intermediate use e.g. Avid DV codec (free Avid QuickTime codec pack can be downloaded here), which should provide optimal 'render time / file size / quality' ratio.

            • 3. Re: Please help me with export settings and format
              SeanPercy42 Level 1

              What would be the best format to use when exporting a 1080p video/animation from AE? I just used QT with a PhotoJPEG compression method (as mentioned in another post) and got a huge 11gb file that took several hours to render. The several hours is no problem but the 11gb file seems excessive. I was wondering if you or anyone else knows of a better format or compression method. I'm planning to edit this file in Premiere, export it again, and then re-open it with AE so I can publish it to Blu-Ray with an animated and interactive menu. A file half or a quarter of the size would be nice, but I do still need it to be "HD" and good quality. It doesn't have to be major production quality but the higher the quality with a smaller file size would be nice. I am pretty new to AE and any advice would be greatly appreciated.

               

              If you know the best settings to use when exporting from Premiere that would be appreciated too. I am experienced with Premiere but haven't used it for HD video before and just don't know the best formats/codecs/etc. yet.

              • 4. Re: Please help me with export settings and format
                Rick Gerard Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                Lossless or nearly lossless compression for HD video is just going to be big. There's no way around that. Delivery formats are much smaller and the Adobe Media Encoder (which is what Premiere Pro uses) has templates for all of the standard delivery formats that produce very good results. If you are reusing footage in PPro, then rendering again, then processing it again, then building something from that you had better stick with a good production codec and not worry about the file size. The only time file size is a problem is when you are trying to 'deliver' the video as a final product. AME is your friend there.

                 

                Read the help files and other information that is available by simply typing rendering in the Search After Effects Help field at the top right corner of AE. The basics are covered there.

                • 5. Re: Please help me with export settings and format
                  Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                  The file size is defined by bitrate. The winners among production codecs regard to 'quality / render time / file size' ratio, DNxHD and ProRes, utilise almost identical bitrate: up to 440 Mbps while encoding with 4:4:4 colour subsampling and up to 220 Mbps while encoding to 4:2:2. Do some math, and you'll end up with 90-200 GB/hour.

                   

                  So, the only option to save on disk space is to utilise highly compressed codec like H.264. With target bitrate set to 100 Mbps (you can set the bitrate in the Export Settings dialog) the quality loss might look affordable (don't remember if you can encode to Level 5 on CS4 though).

                   

                  If you eventually choose H.264 (working with which on CS4 might in turn result in a nightmare), do not export to H.264 from AE directly. Export to H.264 via AME...

                  • 6. Re: Please help me with export settings and format
                    SeanPercy42 Level 1

                    I tried to open the comp in AME and it was not possible. It only allows me to import video files.

                    • 7. Re: Please help me with export settings and format
                      Rick Gerard Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      Launch Adobe Media Encoder

                       

                      Add a file and choose an AE project

                       

                      Dynamic link will open the project

                       

                      This will take a few moments to launch

                       

                      Add the composition you want to use to the cue.

                       

                      If this does not work tell us which versions of AE you are using.

                      • 8. Re: Please help me with export settings and format
                        SeanPercy42 Level 1

                        Yeah, it won't let me choose an AE project in AME. I tried exactly what you said. I'm using CS4.

                        • 9. Re: Please help me with export settings and format
                          Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                          Importing After Effects compositions and Premiere Pro sequences into AME were new features introduced in CS4. So as to import AE composition you must choose File -> Add After Effects Composition, you can't import AE composition via Add button.

                          • 10. Re: Please help me with export settings and format
                            Rick Gerard Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                            Missed the part about CS4...

                            In that case render to something like Photo Jpeg QuickTime, drop that in AME.