30 Replies Latest reply on Aug 2, 2013 1:15 AM by deckard2013

    Export to pdf problem

    deckard2013

      Have a document and something odd has just started to happen when its exported to interactive  pdf.

      Some of the text has started to appear as if its bold.

      I have checked everything I'm aware of, have used all the same styles etc, Indesign presentation preview everything appears ok,

       

      In the graphic is a screen grab from some some dummy text I put in and then saved out to pdf as I usually do.

       

      1 is the changed text, 2 is what I usually see and have always had

      As you can see 1 appears blacker/bolder. Typeface used  in both is Calibri 10pt regular, same basic pargraph style etc

       

      IDtext.jpg

       

      would appreciate any help/ideas as I'm at a loss

      thanks

        • 1. Re: Export to pdf problem
          Jump_Over Level 5

          Hi,

           

          So if you change a font or export to plain PDF - it is OK?

           

          Jarek

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          • 2. Re: Export to pdf problem
            Sandee Cohen Adobe Community Professional

            Is there any transparency on the pages? This could be text converted to outlines in flattening.

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            • 3. Re: Export to pdf problem
              deckard2013 Level 1

              Changed fonts made no difference...but saved to pdf for print and problem went.

              It affects whole pages, not just individual text boxes.

               

              Checked master page but that seems ok, I assume that would affect every page if it had a problem.

               

              Copied a text box from a page  that has the problem to a page that doesnt and saved as interactive pdf and the copied text was fine.

              • 4. Re: Export to pdf problem
                deckard2013 Level 1

                Have gone to Effects and there does not appear to be any tranparency or any other effects showing.

                Only effect is a drop shadow on the master page, that is on the page border

                • 5. Re: Export to pdf problem
                  Salah Fadlabi Level 5

                  Drop Shadow is transparency effect.

                  • 6. Re: Export to pdf problem
                    deckard2013 Level 1

                    Sorry, my mistake youre correct.

                    But this is on the master page  and the problem is not on all pages and only just started happenning.

                     

                     

                    have copied the text boxes from one of the affected pages, deleted the page, made a new page in the document and pasted objects back in, problem is still there...does that imply the problem is common to the objects themselves ?

                     

                    I've compared theses text box objects to those tha arent affected and I cant see any obvious differences

                    • 7. Re: Export to pdf problem
                      Salah Fadlabi Level 5

                      is the master page apply to the page that text frame stay on in it?.

                      • 8. Re: Export to pdf problem
                        deckard2013 Level 1

                        Master page applys to all pages, those with the problem and those without

                        • 9. Re: Export to pdf problem
                          Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                          Is the text in the affected pages in layers above or below the items with the effect?

                          • 10. Re: Export to pdf problem
                            Salah Fadlabi Level 5

                            deckard

                            I replicate you issue with two pages on indesign one with transparency and the other without.

                            on indesign pages you can see there is some different between the thickness of the text.

                            bold.jpg

                             

                            But when export the pages to PDF (interactive) the text as the same

                            bold2.jpg

                            • 11. Re: Export to pdf problem
                              deckard2013 Level 1

                              All objects text or otherwise are on the same layer.

                               

                              Small newsletter,  document changes from around 5 pages to sometimes 15.

                              Am going to recreate the document from scratch later today, probaly easier than trying to find the problem

                              • 12. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                deckard2013 Level 1

                                Have removed the drop shadow from the master page and it now exports to pdf without a problem.

                                 

                                As the drop shadow was applied to the master page , i dont understand why it only affected some pages on the export, surely the idea of the master page is to affect all pages its applied to.

                                I also dont understand why its just started causing the problem.

                                 

                                How would I have the drop shadow on the page border without this problem ?

                                • 13. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                  Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                                  Did you use layers? You should.

                                   

                                  Have you put the text and the drop shadow effect on the same layer? One on the master, the other on the Page?You should not, text should be on a layer above objects with drop shadow or similar effects.

                                   

                                   

                                  Did you override objects from the master on the problem pages? When they are on the same layer it will cause problems.

                                  • 14. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                    deckard56 Level 1

                                    I have put the masterpage  on a seperate layer and text on its own layer. The master page layer is at the bottom

                                     

                                    The master page has page numbers, one empty page size text box that has the small drop shadow on its right hand side.

                                     

                                    Now this problem affects all pages  !

                                     

                                    As to overrides I'm not sure what to click or where...do you mean in the objects style panel ?

                                    Thanks

                                    • 15. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                      deckard2013 Level 1

                                      Ok, this is now getting ridiculous...

                                       

                                      uninstalled ID preferences ,defaults, the whole shooting match

                                      re-installed

                                      opened new doc

                                      drew text box

                                      filled with placeholder text

                                       

                                      everything fine pdf looks fine

                                       

                                      new layer another box, exactly the same again

                                      pdf looks fine

                                       

                                      on new layer selected box Object>Effects>Drop Shadow clicked preview ...all text becomes uberbold ! its like bold text with extra bold for luck !

                                       

                                      please WTF is going on with this software, I dont have this kind of problem using MS Word !

                                       

                                       

                                      i'm now seriously thinking of trying out Quark and Corel

                                       

                                      I'll send anybody a file if it will help

                                      • 16. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                        Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                        This is a well-known issue with text and transparency in ID. It's a screen artifact, and can show in the PDF as well and may show in print on desktop or other low-res printers, but genreally does not show in press output.

                                        • 17. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                          Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                                          deckard56 schrieb:

                                           

                                          I have put the masterpage  on a seperate layer and text on its own layer. The master page layer is at the bottom

                                           

                                          The master page has page numbers, one empty page size text box that has the small drop shadow on its right hand side.

                                           

                                          Now this problem affects all pages  !

                                           

                                          As to overrides I'm not sure what to click or where...do you mean in the objects style panel ?

                                          Thanks

                                          You shall not put the masterpage on a seperat layer. (Layer are not page specific anyway, they affect the whole document!) You shall put the objects with transparency effects to the lowest layer and text above. But you did it the other way round and put the page number to the topmost layer.

                                          The problem of you is the lack of understanding transparency. We can give you some recommendation but you should learn first what transparency is and how it effects other objects.

                                          • 18. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                            deckard56 Level 1

                                            That is exactly what is happening.

                                             

                                            I have just been doing some print tests this afternoon and everything is printing perfectly, its only on screen and pdf.

                                            Unfortunately this particular job is  required to be distributed in pdf.

                                             

                                            So i guess i'm stuck with it unless Adobe decide to fix the problem, or I find a workaround (maybe a gradient fill as the drop shadow border.

                                             

                                            At least I know for the future if i have to use drop shadow again

                                            • 19. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                              Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                                              That is an issue but not a problem. It becomes only a problem if transparency is not used properly.

                                              • 20. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                                deckard56 Level 1

                                                Willi

                                                I understand what you are saying but it still doesnt seem to work as you say it should.

                                                I have the layers with transparencey at the bottom and text layer at the top.

                                                As you can see the master page has a box with a white fill that needs to cover the page for the drop shadow.

                                                there is a layer in the middle that has a two small boxes with text and media buttons in them,these boxes  have a drop shadow, this layer has to be here otherwise the white box on the master page will cover them up.

                                                And the top layer has all the text boxes.

                                                 

                                                here the drop shadow is off and everything would look fine on screen and pdf, but as soon as the drop shadow is put on that white box then the problem shows up.

                                                 

                                                If I am still doing something wrong here please could you explain what, because apart from Peters explanation I dont see what else i can do

                                                thanks for your help.

                                                 

                                                ID.jpg

                                                • 21. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                                  Laubender Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                  @deckard56 – what exact version of InDesign do we talk here?
                                                  And what version of OS?

                                                   

                                                  Uwe

                                                  • 22. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                                    deckard56 Level 1

                                                    Hi Uwe

                                                     

                                                    PC - Win 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1 all updates to last week

                                                    ID CS6 v8.0 32bit

                                                    • 23. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                                      Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                      The usual workaround for issues with transparency emboldening is to add transparency to every page so they all look the same for display on screen.

                                                      • 24. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                                        deckard56 Level 1

                                                        The box with the drop shadow on the master page is on every page, but this problem isnt affecting all pages, theres a couple that seem to be immune.

                                                        i've looked at the pages but cant see any particular formatting or anything that might help or give me a clue.

                                                        The doc is actually pretty basic, I used to do it in MS Word without any problems but now have to use ID

                                                         

                                                        Used to take me half the time in Word

                                                         

                                                        Think I'll doing the drop shadow in Photoshop and put them in ID as a graphics, t be a lot easier, certainly a lot quicker

                                                        • 25. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                                          Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                          I honestly don't know why the drop shadow would cause a problem on some pages, but not others, if the interaction between it and the text remains the same.

                                                          • 26. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                                            deckard56 Level 1

                                                            I'm going to try it on another PC and see if it still happens, maybe its some strange conflict on my PC set up

                                                            Appreciate all the efforts to help

                                                            • 27. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                                              Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                                                              Can you tell me, with which program you open the PDF? Acrobat? Reader? Something else?

                                                              And can you supply me the idml of the indd file? (I don't need any images linked or real text it can be placeholder, but I would like to see where the problem is.)

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                                                              • 28. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                                                deckard2013 Level 1

                                                                Hi Will

                                                                How do I supply you the file ?

                                                                I use the following

                                                                Adobe Acrobat  X Pro  10.1.7

                                                                Adobe Reader  XI 11.0.03 which I just downloaded from Adobe

                                                                 

                                                                Here is a screen grab of the file in both , viewed at 100%...as you can see, the same problem in both and you can also see its not affecting all pages.

                                                                Remove the drop shadow and the text would all look as in the paragraph Wa4

                                                                pdftest.jpg

                                                                 

                                                                Thankyou for your help

                                                                • 29. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                                                  Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

                                                                  I sent you Yesterday a message via Adobe's forum with my e-mail.

                                                                  I will look into your file in the evening, now is morning 10:00 here in Munich.

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                                                                  • 30. Re: Export to pdf problem
                                                                    deckard2013 Level 1

                                                                    I have looked in my Adobe mail and it hasnt arrived yet, so i will keep checking

                                                                    I have corrected my time zone on here, as you can see its now 9am in a thundery and wet London

                                                                     

                                                                     

                                                                    thanks Willi