17 Replies Latest reply on Dec 3, 2013 3:33 AM by bmfm_

    Show last frame in sequence

    bmfm_ Level 1

      Hi there!

       

      Does anyone know if there's an option to display the last frame of a sequence rather than black? I'm so used to this coming from Avid and FCP.

      I mean why display a black frame...?

      Black is not very useful to cut to. I'd like to see the outgoing frame of the last clip in a sequence to have a better feel for choosing the right clip.

       

      Or is this coming up in a next update maybe...?

       

      Greetings Björn

        • 1. Re: Show last frame in sequence
          joe bloe premiere Level 5

          You can file a feature request here:

          http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

           

          note:

          When I play to the end of a Sequence in CS6, it ends with a black frame.

          Does anyone know if CC7 ends on the last frame of video instead?

          • 2. Re: Show last frame in sequence
            the_wine_snob Level 9

            Bjorn,

             

            Welcome to the forum.

             

            What version of PrPro are you running?

             

            In previous versions, one could toggle the thumbnail display to: None, First, First & Last or All. This was done from the Display icon in the Track's Header. The First & Last should be what you are looking for.

             

            Good luck,

             

            Hunt

            • 3. Re: Show last frame in sequence
              bmfm_ Level 1

              Hi Hunt,

               

              I'm on CC 7.0.1 but my question is not related to the clips in the timeline but what the pgm monitor is displaying.

               

              Thanks though!

              • 4. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                bmfm_ Level 1

                request done

                 

                and no, CC7 is still black

                • 5. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                  Jim_Simon Level 8

                  This is for a reason.  When you move the CTI to the end of a sequence, it's in a place where you can add more clips without interfering with the last clip.  If you were to see the last frame, the CTI would be back one frame and then any Inserts or Overwrites would be messed up.

                  • 6. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                    bmfm_ Level 1

                    Hi Jim,

                     

                    this is not the case for other NLEs...

                    Actually you are at the end of the timeline with your CTI but your pgm monitor shows you what the last frame is. This way making edit decissions is way easier. Like in MC or FCP.

                    • 7. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                      Jim_Simon Level 8

                      I'd argue that's messed up.

                       

                      CTI.png

                       

                      As you can see from the image, the 'frame' that we see follows the line of the Current Time Indicator (Playhead).  To do what you ask would require a fundamental change to the behavior of the CTI, or for the Program Monitor to not show you the actual frame you're on.

                       

                      Both are bad.

                      • 8. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                        bmfm_ Level 1

                        This shows what i try to describe:

                         

                        lastframe.png

                         

                        You are at the end of your timeline but instead of a pure black monitor you get to see what you're cutting to. But your CTI is not back one frame.

                        This is a tremendous timesaver. At least to me.

                         

                        And for the CTI in terms of behavior change it's not much. "If at end of timeline display last previous frame." Not much to code I guess. But I'm only guessing...

                         

                        Cheers

                        • 9. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                          Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          I know that is not what your are looking for but if you press the Go To Out (regardless where the playhead is and no in to out points for the sequence are set) in PG monitor it will show the last frame.

                          • 10. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                            bmfm_ Level 1

                            yeah that works ... not quite well...haha it would kill that frame unless i move the CTI back to the end. or pushing buttons like crazy.

                            imagine editing a large program with lots and lots of edit decissions together with the client/director etc and you have to push buttons like that just that everyone can see what you're cutting to. I mean it's not a big deal thing...pretty standard in Avid & FCP. Only PPro doesn't do that. I have no idea why.

                            Haha, could you imagine Walter Murch cutting into the black?

                             

                            Cheers

                            • 11. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                              Jim_Simon Level 8

                              you get to see what you're cutting to. But your CTI is not back one frame.

                               

                              Well, then the Program Monitor in that software isn't showing you the correct frame.  I'd argue that's a bad way to operate.

                              • 12. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                                Jim_Simon Level 8

                                it would kill that frame unless i move the CTI back to the end.

                                 

                                Exactly why this is a bad feature.  Either the Program Monitor works incorrectly to make this function the way you want, or you may chop off that last frame.

                                 

                                Either way, it's bad.

                                • 13. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                                  shooternz Level 6

                                  I hear what you are asking and understand why.

                                   

                                  Its never worried me at all  though ....because its a linear  logic I understand coming from film bench editing and the logic of "time". ie time is measured to the end of an event.

                                   

                                  You could try hitting T (Trim Monitor).  This does 2 things for you.

                                   

                                  It displays Last Frame as well as setting up an edit mode at the end point.

                                   

                                  BTW - If I was editing in FCP or AVID and it did what you say it does....how does one actually know when one is at the true end of the clip? 

                                   

                                  I would be checking all the time to ensure I wasnt overlaying / inserting back into the last clip.  Would drive me freaking nuts

                                  • 14. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                                    Steven L. Gotz Level 5

                                    I imagine it might be interesting to have a selectable setting that would allow you to see the frame behind the CTI instead of the frame ahead of the CTI.

                                     

                                    Of course, the CTI being at the beginning would show black, but you could deal with that I suppose.

                                     

                                    Seems like a strange request, but that is probably the easiest way to make it happen. Request a look behind option to go with the default look ahead option.

                                    • 15. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                                      bmfm_ Level 1

                                      Hi shooternz,

                                       

                                      look at the image I posted. When at the end of sequence the last frame (of the prev clip) gets offset in Y a bit so you know you are really at the end of the seq.

                                      Somehow this is making me grin a bit Since ever I worked for TV or as an editor this "seeing last frame of seq" is standard. Not a feature to ask for actually. It's like JKL, how come you're not familiar with that?

                                      In case you think that being a strange behavior it is indeed a very professional one as it does so only(!) at the end of the sequence.

                                      I just think it's too bad for such a brilliant app like PPro not to be as Pro as it could be.

                                       

                                      Adobe PLEASE!!! at least as a selectable option.

                                       

                                      Cheerio

                                      • 16. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                                        the_wine_snob Level 9

                                        Thank you for that clarification. I mis-understood the issue.

                                         

                                        Sorry, but good luck,

                                         

                                        Hunt

                                        • 17. Re: Show last frame in sequence
                                          bmfm_ Level 1

                                          Thank you sooo much for having this in now! You are awesome guys!! Hoorayy!!

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