38 Replies Latest reply: Aug 6, 2013 7:06 PM by PierreLouisBeranek RSS

    Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!

    PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

      In CS6, drag/dropping a clip from the Source monitor to the Timeline would override track targeting.  So if I only had V1 targeted for performing Insert or Overwrite edits from the Source Monitor, dragging a clip with my mouse would drop the clip in the Timeline together with Audio, even though no Audio tracks are targeted.

       

      PP CC changes this.  Dragging a clip from the Source Monitor no longer overrides track targeting as I've come to expect from years of pre-CC editing.

       

      My question: Why?

      Does this change actually make it better for any PP editors out there?  It certainly doesn't make it better for me since this breaks yet another workflow convention that I've been taught to use and depend on by no other than Adobe itself.  When I drag/drop clips from the Source Monitor, I always want them to appear with audio as was the case in every pre-CC version of Premiere.

       

      Am I missing a really important reason that this had to be changed in CC?

       

      Sounds to me like yet another official FR is in order unless a great reason is provided for the change.

        • 1. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
          Steven L. Gotz Community Member

          Why is a question that probably won't get answered. But I have one for you...

           

          Why are you deselecting the track targeting for the audio in the first place? The default is to have both the video and the audio track targeted.

          • 2. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
            PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

            Something weird is going on.

             

            Today I open my Premiere CC project and lo and behold, drag/dropping a clip from the Source monitor DOES work the way it did in CS6!

             

            Why would it work during one editing session, but not others?

             

            This now appears to be a Bug Report rather than a FR.  At least I'm glad that Adobe didn't change this on purpose.  Hopefully it keeps working from now on and I don't encounter this bug anymore, whereby clips dragged from the Source monitor refuse to include audio unless an Audio track is pre-targeted.

             

            Has anyone else encountered this bug?

            • 3. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
              Steven L. Gotz Community Member

              We have seen it where the audio track accidentally got deselected, but I have not seen a report otherwise.

              • 4. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                JSS1138 Community Member

                Does this change actually make it better for any PP editors out there?

                 

                I don't think so.  Dragging should not be affected by any source patching or targeting.  If you want to drag only video, drag the film strip.  If you want to drag only audio, drag the waveform.  There's no need for dragging the video from the Source Monitor to respect source patching or targeting.

                • 5. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                  JSS1138 Community Member
                  Why would it work during one editing session, but not others?

                   

                  It works fine if both are on or if both are off.  It only goes weird if one is on.

                  • 6. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                    PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                    AHA!  You're right Jim.  If no tracks are patched, it works as expected.  But if either a video or an audio track is patched, the source patching affects drag/dropping from the Source monitor and Project window, which it shouldn't.

                     

                    It still isn't clear to me then if this is a bug, or a change Adobe did on purpose.  Any thoughts?  Are there any Adobe reps that could shed some light on this?

                     

                    I definitely want to log either a BR or a FR for this to get fixed, since I don't see any advantages in the way it works now in CC vs the way it did in CS6.

                    • 7. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                      shooternz Community Member

                      There's no need for dragging the video from the Source Monitor to respect source patching or targeting.

                       

                      Of course there is a reason!

                       

                      It allows the editor  control of timeline management and to send audio and video to tracks that they choose to.  eg One may require Video on 3 and Audio on 5.

                       

                      Some editors choose Drag and Drop to time line or the Program Monitor. Some choose shortcuts and insert overlay buttons. Its a matter of choices for all.

                       

                      I definitely want to log either a BR or a FR for this to get fixed, since I don't see any advantages in the way it works now in CC vs the way it did in CS6.

                       

                      Apart from pathological discontent I dont think your reason to file BR or CR is any reason at all to do so.

                      • 8. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                        JSS1138 Community Member

                        It allows the editor  control of timeline management and to send audio and video to tracks that they choose to.

                         

                        Dragging the film strip or wave icons provide that functionality if you want only video or audio, so I stand my my statement.  There's no need for dragging the video from the Source Monitor to respect source patching or targeting.  Doing so only get's in the way.

                        • 9. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                          shooternz Community Member

                          Of course ...why do it in one movement when you can do it in two!  

                           

                          I usually manage my timelines in a manner that checkerboards the audio synch lines eg Audio 1 and Audio 2

                           

                          I do the same with the Video. (Video 1 and Video 2 say)

                           

                          This allows me to overlap and J and L cut the video.

                           

                          BUT... you  would have me place my Video down first ..then take my Audio down next!.

                           

                          Jim...You really need to think outside of your own workflows because others do work differently.

                           

                          Simply - I want the video and audio placed where I want it in one move..not two.  And yes...I use Insert and Overlay single pop methods as well as drag and drop.

                          • 10. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                            JSS1138 Community Member

                            .why do it in one movement when you can do it in two!

                             

                            That doesn't make sense as a criticism of my point.

                             

                            If you want both, you should get both in one drag by grabbing the video frame.  Premiere Pro CC does not offer that possibility when only video or audio is patched.

                             

                            If you want one or the other, you can drag the film strip or the wave icon, so there's no need for patching with drag and drop.

                            • 11. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                              shooternz Community Member

                              You said

                               

                              There's no need for dragging the video from the Source Monitor to respect source patching or targeting.

                               

                              Then you repeated

                               

                              If you want one or the other, you can drag the film strip or the wave icon, so there's no need for patching with drag and drop.

                               

                              When I want both (synch is always both).... I want each part to go where I want it.  ie I patch it so that I dont get arbitrary placement of the parts.

                               

                              Thats why its necessary to have the ability to patch.

                              • 12. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                JSS1138 Community Member

                                When I want both (synch is always both).... I want each part to go where I want it.

                                 

                                Ahhhh, now I'm starting to see it.

                                 

                                OK, so patching can make sense when you want to drag to different numbered tracks.  Previously, dragging always brought the clips to the same numbered track.

                                 

                                I still think you should get both video and audio even if only one is patched, though, simply because if you only want one, you can always drag the filmstrip or the wave icon.

                                • 13. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                  shooternz Community Member

                                  By joves..he has  got it.

                                   

                                   

                                  I still think you should get both video and audio even if only one is patched, though, simply because if you only want one, you can always drag the filmstrip or the wave icon.

                                   

                                  Yes thats an "anomally" only by way of the way it was weirdly implemented one way and not the other ( a minor bug).

                                   

                                  Otherwise I would be happy with that as well.  Its that choice thing again...which that 1/2 gives you.

                                  • 14. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                    PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                                    shooternz wrote:

                                     

                                    Apart from pathological discontent I dont think your reason to file BR or CR is any reason at all to do so.

                                    If that's what you want to call dedication to seeing Premiere improve, enough dedication to be the only one on these forums to continually post FRs to make it easier for others to speak up and be heard by Adobe as well, I guess that's your right shooternz.

                                     

                                    Every single change made in an update should make Premiere better, not worse.  If a change makes Premiere worse, I speak up.  Simple as that.  If I speak up a lot, it's a result of Adobe having made several negative changes in CC.

                                     

                                    Being vocal about Premiere's shortcomings and bugs won't win anyone any popularity contests.  I couldn't care less.  What I do care about is seeing Premiere improve.  That's called dedication.  Not 'pathological discontent'.  It would be nice though to see the maturity level and good will on these forums improve, whereby people support one another rather than to be so quick to insult and contradict, sometimes just for the sake of doing so.

                                     

                                    I agree with Jim here.  If you want to drag just video or audio from the Source monitor, there are already two buttons that allow you to do just that.  There is absolutely no need for source patching to dictate what gets dragged to the Timeline when click-dragging a clip's image in the Source monitor.  Notice that I said 'what' gets dragged, and not 'where' it gets dragged.  Those are two different things.  In your posts you argued that patch sourcing should dictate where the video and audio gets placed.  I agree.  Nobody is disagreeing with you (although your arguments are besides the point since they don't address the actual problem being discussed here).  What we disagree with is Adobe's sudden assertion that only video should get dragged to the Timeline when no audio tracks are patched.  This is contrary to CS6 convensions, and poses a negative impact to editing workflows.

                                     

                                    Adobe understood how it should work in CS6.  Why don't they understand it anymore in CC?  The only thing they accomplished is to break a workflow convention many editors got used to prior to CC. 

                                     

                                    Until now no one has given a single viable argument explaining why the change is positive rather than negative.  So I'll be moving forth with my FR.

                                    • 15. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                      shooternz Community Member

                                      Heres my problem with your issue.

                                       

                                      YOur first sentence in your OP said..

                                       

                                      In CS6, drag/dropping a clip from the Source monitor to the Timeline would override track targeting.

                                       

                                      Obviously you think this is best practice.

                                       

                                      Thing is...I dont agree or want that...and I explained it to Jim clearly and succinctly..until he eventually came to realise that other editors work differently to him. 

                                       

                                      In short ..He got it. (and he has really fixed paradigms and usually very hard to  sway)

                                       

                                      You have exactly the same right to your opinions but the problem is.. you claim everything you dont happen to like or work the way  that you think it should or prefer it to .....is "screwed because of  hopeless Adobe employees, idiots with egos etc...

                                       

                                      (You sure know how to wind up the people you need to impress by your insults and accusations).

                                       

                                      .

                                      • 16. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                        PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                                        I think the way I expressed it in that line isn't clear, but what I wrote afterwards should have made it clearer.

                                         

                                        But to clear this up, what I mean is this:

                                        Click-dragging a clip from the Source monitor should always drag both the clip's video and audio to the Timeline, regardless of whether both a video and audio track are source patched or not.

                                         

                                        I made a mistake when I wrote 'track targeting' rather than 'source patching'.  By default, the audio and video should snap to any source patched tracks, if present.  So clip placement would be respected by all means.

                                         

                                        Just curious, did you dislike the way it worked in CS6 compared to the way it works now?

                                         

                                        Once again, I never called anyone 'hopeless' or 'idiot'.  Please don't put your words in my mouth.

                                        As for calling Adobe out on its shortfalls, sometimes that kind of 'nudge' can have a positive impact, not always but sometimes.  Making level-headed observations is neither an insult nor an accusation as you claim.  The reason that 'I call it as I see it' is the hopes that it may wake even just one person to their senses about respecting established editing conventions, etc.  In many aspects of CC, there's an undeniable disconnect between what would best serve us as editors, and what Adobe is actually giving us.  Being quiet about these problems isn't going to make them go away.

                                         

                                        BTW, I don't think anyone sends Adobe FRs or BRs to impress them.  That isn't the point.

                                        • 17. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                          Mark Mapes Employee Hosts

                                          In case you're not aware, CC allows you to save presets for particular track targetting combinations. You can assign a shortcut to up to ten such presets, and the Keyboard Shortcuts dialog also has a shortcuts for toggling all video tracks or all audio tracks.

                                          For those who don't think source patching should affect behavior when you're dragging and dropping, I doubt that these presets and shortcuts will satisfy you, but they should at least streamline your workflow a bit and thereby limit your frustration.

                                          As to whether the old or new behavior is preferable, I don't have an informed opinion. I will, however, check with the individuals who worked on the redesign of the Timeline to learn whether this change was by design.

                                          • 18. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                            PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                                            Excellent!  Thank you Mark for checking with the design team to find out if this change is a bug or if it was intentional.  I'm hoping it's a simple to fix bug.

                                             

                                            To clarify, it's not a matter of if source patching should affect behavior, but rather which behavior it affects.  Source patching should affect the default tracks a dragged clip snaps to.  So if V2 and A3 are source patched, a clip dragged to the Timeline from the Source Monitor or the Project window should snap to those tracks.  This behavior is expected and helpful.  The behavior that source patching should not affect is what gets dragged to the Timeline.  Whether what is source patched is just a video track, just an audio track, both or none, a clip with audio should always appear with both video and audio when dragged to the Timeline from the Source Monitor by click-dragging the clip's image in the Source Monitor. 

                                             

                                            This is how it worked in CS6 and this was helpful because it always gave editors 3 options for drag/dropping from the Source monitor, regardless of source patching:

                                            1. click-drag image = drag/drop both Video and Audio

                                            2. click-drag 'Drag Only Video' icon = drag/drop only Video

                                            3. click-drag 'Drag Only Audio' icon = drag/drop only Audio

                                             

                                            In CC, Premiere has lost these helpful options.

                                            If no audio track is source patched, click-dragging the Source Monitor's image or 'Drag Only Audio' button no longer works. 

                                            If no video track is source patched, click-dragging the Source Monitor's image or 'Drag Only Video' button no longer works.

                                             

                                            The 'Drag Only Video/Audio' buttons should always work, regardless of source patching.  Otherwise, these buttons end up being of very little use.

                                             

                                            So far, no one has been able to come up with any evidence that this change, whether intentional or by accident, is positive.  There is evidence however that this change has a negative impact on editing workflows.  For this reason, whether this change was intentional or a bug, it should be changed back to the expected CS6 behavior asap.

                                             

                                            Unfortunately, track targeting presets don't resolve this problem.

                                             

                                            Thanks again for your help Mark!

                                            • 19. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                              Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                              I have to go with Pierre on this one. "Source patching should affect the default tracks a dragged clip snaps to."

                                               

                                              And "The 'Drag Only Video/Audio' buttons should always work."

                                              • 21. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                DMH79 Community Member

                                                Mark Mapes wrote:

                                                 

                                                For those who don't think source patching should affect behavior when you're dragging and dropping...As to whether the old or new behavior is preferable, I don't have an informed opinion. I will, however, check with the individuals who worked on the redesign of the Timeline to learn whether this change was by design.

                                                Mark -

                                                 

                                                Like Steven and Jim and Pierre here, I have to agree that the old way is preferable where dragging and dropping clips (A&V, V only, A only) directly from the source window should work like it did in CS6, where you can always drag and drop regardless of one's source patching setup.

                                                 

                                                Now, the suggestion that source patching should affect the default tracks a dragged clip snaps to is fine with me as well. As long as you can always drag and drop both audio and video (by dragging the video's image) and drop it on the timeline. That's what's most important to me personally.

                                                 

                                                There are several threads now that touch on this topic all with very different titles and descriptions, but this one is more "to the point" so I figured I'd chime in here as well. Feature request was submitted. (or should it be bug report?) If it was in fact changed by design, I'd love to know why and how it helps. Thanks Mark!

                                                • 22. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                  shooternz Community Member

                                                  As long as you can always drag and drop both audio and video (by dragging the video's image) and drop it on the timeline. That's what's most important to me personally.

                                                   

                                                  My point is that some one (like me ...personally)  needs to  be able to manage where each / both tracks go to if one is in anway concerned with managing your tracks in your sequence.

                                                  (See my post #9 - describes reason)

                                                   

                                                  Only patching and targetting can do this. Its logical and simple and consistent.

                                                   

                                                  For those that want to just drag and them dump a clip into the sequence without ever worrying what tracks they go to ....they are unlikely to be using patching anyway other than default.  ie. it affects no one either way.

                                                   

                                                  Agreed..there is maybe a slight bug (anomally) in the patching in CS7. That needs attending to.

                                                  • 23. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                    JSS1138 Community Member
                                                    My point is that some one (like me ...personally)  needs to  be able to manage where each / both tracks go to if one is in anway concerned with managing your tracks in your sequence.

                                                     

                                                    No one's arguing that point.  It's a nice new feature of CC7.

                                                     

                                                    The issue we take is that if only video is patched, you don't get audio.  That's no good.  If you want only video, you can drag the film strip.  If you want only audio, you can drag the waveform.  But if you drag the image, you normally want both.  Same track, different tracks can be handled with patching, but always bring down both regardless of patching.

                                                     

                                                    In short, when dragging from the Source Monitor, source patching is great for controlling where to put things, but should never affect what get's put.

                                                    • 25. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                      Mark Mapes Employee Hosts

                                                      As promised, I checked with teammates & learned that the changes in behavior discussed in this thread were all intentional. I do not have a good enough handle on the rationale behind these changes to explain much less defend them.

                                                      If my experience is any guide, this means that bug reports regarding this behavior are likely to be closed as AsDesigned, while feature requests to simply return to the old behavior will have difficulty gaining traction. I expect the most promising approach will be to ask for a new pref that controls whether source patching affects dragging behavior.

                                                      • 26. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                        PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                                                        Thanks for giving us your findings Mark.  If a bunch of editors on this forum can't come up with a single good reason for this change, I really wonder what Adobe's reason is!  Incomprehensible!

                                                         

                                                        This is one more black stain on Adobe's track record.  Do the programmers who work on Premiere actually use the software they program?  My thought is they don't because if they did they most certainly would not have broken such a basic editing convention of Premiere! 

                                                        Mark Mapes wrote:

                                                        while feature requests to simply return to the old behavior will have difficulty gaining traction.

                                                        Why Mark?

                                                        Is it because:

                                                        A. The new behavior is preferable to the old one?  If so, then someone at Adobe should explain to us why (that's the least we deserve).

                                                        B. Someone messed up and doesn't want to admit to their mistake? (Or understands so little about editing workflow that they don't ever realize they've made a mistake?)  If so, NOT an acceptable reason. 

                                                         

                                                        Unless we get a clear answer why this was changed, I will take 'B' as my answer.  Perhaps it's time for me to send the Premiere Pro team the following FR: "For God's-sake guys, show your users some respect by respecting our workflow conventions!"  I just hope Adobe never pull out an 'Apple' move on us and screw up our beloved NLE beyond recognition as Apple did with FCPX! 

                                                         

                                                        Fellow forum members, we need to raise our collective cry on this one.  It turns out that Adobe didn't make a mistake, but actually disrespected our workflow on purpose without providing any reason for doing so!

                                                         

                                                        I, for one, am sending my FR (not BR) now!  I'll post it here for others to copy/paste.

                                                         

                                                        Despite the answer being so very disappointing, thanks again Mark for your help with exposing the nature of this issue: intentional change instead of bug.

                                                        • 27. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                          PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                                                          Here's my FR folks.  Let's keep sending this and similar requests to Adobe until they hear and respect us!

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          *******Enhancement / FMR*********

                                                           

                                                          Brief title for your desired feature:

                                                          Drag/Dropping video with audio clip from Source Monitor or Project window to Timeline should include both video and audio... always!

                                                           

                                                          How would you like the feature to work?

                                                          The way it did in Premiere Pro CS6: 

                                                           

                                                          A. Video with audio dragged from Project window = video with audio dropped in Timeline

                                                           

                                                          B. Three drag/dropping options from Source monitor, regardless of Source Patch settings.  Drag/drop:

                                                          1. Source Monitor Image = Video + Audio

                                                          2. 'Drag Video Only' button = Video only

                                                          3. 'Drag Audio Only' button = Audio only

                                                           

                                                          In CC, these options no longer work properly depending on Source Patching.  This makes no sense, and provides zero benefits to the editor!

                                                           

                                                          Why is this feature important to you?

                                                          Because intelligent workflows matter!  There's nothing intelligent or efficient about the Source Monitor's buttons working some times but not others, or drag/dropping a clip from the Project window only to find its audio doesn't appear in the Timeline.  When drag and dropping clips, Source Patching should determine default clip PLACEMENT, Not WHAT gets dragged to the Timeline!

                                                          • 28. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                            DMH79 Community Member

                                                            Mark Mapes wrote:

                                                             

                                                            I expect the most promising approach will be to ask for a new pref that controls whether source patching affects dragging behavior.

                                                            Thanks for checking on this and for the honest feedback. Yes, having the "option" or pref that controls whether souce patching affects dragging behavior would be IDEAL. Please pay your teammates $50 to push that through and then you can bill my account. I'll gladly fund that little jumpstart project.

                                                            • 29. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                              PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                                                              You won't have to pay $50 DMH79, because I'll gladdly pay half the bill!

                                                              Or perhaps we should make that $50 each to move this change along even faster?!

                                                               

                                                              In all honesty, if I had the choice to pay $50 to get rid of this nasty change immediately, I'd do it!

                                                               

                                                              Yes, a new option in the preferences window would be a great solution too.

                                                              • 30. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                                PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                                                                Here's a second FR based on Mark's suggestion of requesting a new Preference window option vs reversion to CS6 behavior.  I've also started a new thread with this FR here.

                                                                 

                                                                *******Enhancement / FMR*********

                                                                Brief title for your desired feature: Preferences window option to disable Source Patching's effect on drag/dropped clips.

                                                                 

                                                                How would you like the feature to work?

                                                                If Adobe can't/won't revert drag/dropping back to functional CS6 standards, whereby clip dragged = same content dropped regardless of Timeline settings, then please give us the option of turning off CC's new drag/dropping behavior through a new check box option in the Preferences Window: "Source patching affects Drag/dropping".

                                                                Checked = CC behavior

                                                                Unchecked = CS6 behavior

                                                                 

                                                                Why is this feature important to you?

                                                                Because respecting workflows matters!  CS6 and prior Premiere editors had their workflows disrespected when Adobe suddenly changed drag/dropping behavior with zero apparent benefits in return.  Please give us a choice in this matter or revert to CS6's intelligent drag-dropping altogether.

                                                                • 31. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                                  shooternz Community Member

                                                                  This double posted thread is a real pain to follow.

                                                                  • 32. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                                    Mark Mapes Employee Hosts

                                                                    Correction to an error I made in Post #17, where I wrote "CC allows you to save presets for particular track targetting combinations." I meant to reference Source Patching and presets thereof.

                                                                    SaveSourcePatchingPreset.jpg

                                                                     

                                                                    @Pierre: I shall not be responding to your post #26--except to state that I shall not be responding to it or to any of your future posts. I find your tone on this forum hostile and offensive. I'm not asking you to change your tone. That's not my place.

                                                                    It is, however, within my discretion to be selective about which threads and posts to respond to. My participation on the forum is voluntary and comes chiefly out of my own time; it is not part of my official responsibilities. And I have better ways to spend my time than engaging with individuals who make a habit of insulting the team that I am a proud member of.

                                                                    • 33. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                                      DMH79 Community Member

                                                                      Hope I haven't got on your naughty list Mark.

                                                                       

                                                                      Thanks for the preference feature request suggestion for this issue. I made that feature request. I find you guys always helpful and get excited when staff members respond to issues like this that are important to my workflow. Anytime an editor has the "option" as you suggested, I think that's the best. Check a box when you want it to work one way, and uncheck it if you want it working another way.  

                                                                      • 34. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                                        PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                                                                        Sorry Mark, it wasn't my intention to offend you.  I'm sending you the rest of my reply in a private message, for the sake of professionalism.  I wish you had done the same with your remarks.

                                                                        • 36. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                                          PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                                                                          Correction: 

                                                                           

                                                                          When I wrote: "please give us the option of turning off CC's new drag/dropping behavior through a new check box option in the Preferences Window: "Source patching affects Drag/dropping"." I should have added  "Source patching affects clip's content when drag/dropping" to be clearer.  Source patching should always affect drag/dropping as far as default positioning in the Timeline.  But users should have the choice of whether a clip's content (video+audio, video only, audio only) is affected or not.

                                                                           

                                                                          Hope this mistake didn't cause any confusion.

                                                                          • 37. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                                            JSS1138 Community Member

                                                                            Here's what I submitted:

                                                                             

                                                                            *******Enhancement / FMR*********

                                                                             

                                                                            Brief title for your desired feature: Drag & Drop from Source Monitor

                                                                             

                                                                            How would you like the feature to work?

                                                                             

                                                                            While the new ability to drop video and audio to different numbered tracks using source patching is a very welcome change to Premiere Pro CC, there remains a flaw with the new feature.  The issue is that if only video is patched, you don't get audio, and vice versa.  That's no good.  If you want only video, you can drag the film strip.  If you want only audio, you can drag the waveform.  But if you drag the image, you normally want both.  Same track/different tracks can be handled with patching, but when dragging the image, ALWAYS bring down both REGARDLESS of patching.

                                                                             

                                                                            In short, when dragging from the Source Monitor, source patching is great for controlling WHERE to put things, but should never affect WHAT get's put.

                                                                             

                                                                            Why is this feature important to you?

                                                                             

                                                                            The current behavior is less efficient, and could force the extra step of changing source patching when we want video and audio to come down during a drag and drop, which could also mean changing it back for other functions.  That's potentially two extra steps.

                                                                            • 38. Re: Drag/dropping clip from Source Monitor... but where's the audio?!
                                                                              PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                                                                              Very well said Jim!  I hope others copy/paste your FR as their own to give this important topic all the weight it needs to get attention.  The only thing missing in your FR is that the same behavior should also apply to drag/dropping clips from the Project window, but I've already requested that.