11 Replies Latest reply on Aug 8, 2013 8:41 AM by Ryadia™

    Removing shake in after effects

    Ryadia™ Level 1

      After deciding to take the jump to CC I discovered all that looks good has its own set of problems. I'm hoping in this discussion a skilled AE user might save me time and money. I'm a proficient Vegas Pro user. The jump from a mix of Adobe programs and apps from other vendors has left me floundering somewhat in needing to get up to speed on some Adobe products.

       

      My ask for help here is that I've used Mercalli to clean up shaky footage (such as taken in a moving 4WD on a rough track) with great success but now that I'm moving to 100% Adobe products, I'd like to hear from users of AE who have a prefered workflow when handling work like this. I'd greatly apreciate some help here.

       

      Sure... I could read up or school up on the topic, even buy a product I've used in the past that has an Adobe version but I'm hoping as working professionals who have done this themselves or know more than me about removing shake with after effects, suggesting their worklow might avoid the very expensive and time consuming  tasks of trial and error that gets suggested so often. RTFM is not going to help me either.

       

      My belief is that having signed up for the full house of Adobe CC, I should be using it instead of dealing wiht the update and upgrade mess I'll eventually face if I don't get on the program. Hopefull this makes sense and someone will help?

       

      Ryadia.

        • 1. Re: Removing shake in after effects
          Mylenium Most Valuable Participant

          Well, have you actually dabbled with teh Warp Stabilizer? Sorry, but even if it may exactly be what you do not want, you have to experiment a little. From conventional tracking to the already mentioned Warp Stabilizer to using faux 3D camera tracks there is lots of ways to get stable footage. And Mercalli also comes as an AE plug-in, so you could still use that as well.

           

          Mylenium

          • 2. Re: Removing shake in after effects
            Ryadia™ Level 1

            Actually Mylenium, You have said pretty much word for word what a fellow producer said about Warp..

            "Exactly what you do not want".  I asked here because I'd read somewhere earlier this year that AE was capable of very good stabalisation without any plug-on or add-on. So far I haven't found the fourm, much less the message where I read that.

             

            I found out today that I can exchange my present copy of Mercalli for an Adobe compatible version. I'll install the trial tomorrow and see how I handle editing a shoot from the weekend with it. I've also got a 6 minute clip during lot of wind and choppy water from a camera halfway up the mast of a small yacht. I am happy, as my client als is with the vegas edited promo but I'm always looking at better or faster ways to achieve aq finished product!

             

            I've got 15 days trial of Mercalli before I have to decide. I'll know by then if I will continue to use it with After Effects or remain with Vegas. My time is limited, skilled staff hard to find and competition from Go-Pro owners ever present. It's nearly impossible to compete profitably with a camera I gave up a new car to buy when the other guy has a kids toy and some skill at distortion removal during post.

             

            Thank you for your advice. I'll let you know what I think in a few days.

             

            Ryadia

            • 3. Re: Removing shake in after effects
              Todd_Kopriva Level 8

              Why do you say that the Warp Stabilizer is "exactly what you do not want"? It is built into After Effects, works well, and is easy to use. What is your concern about it?

               

              There are details about how it works and how to use it here:

              http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2011/04/warp-stabilizer-in-after-effects-cs5-5.html

              • 4. Re: Removing shake in after effects
                joshweiland Level 2

                Yeah, you misunderstood what Mylenium was saying.

                 

                Warp Stabilizer is built-into AE, and in CC it's much improved.  It's powerful and should fulfill your needs.  You don't need to spend additional money on a plug-in.

                 

                The "exactly be what you do not want" comment, I'm assuming, was regarding that you WILL have to experiment with Warp Stabilizer and RTFM to use it correctly.

                • 5. Re: Removing shake in after effects
                  Mylenium Most Valuable Participant

                  Depends. Warp Stabilizer still doesn't deal that well with regular high frequency patterns as they commonly appear when filming with cameras hooked up to machines/ vehicles. In that regard the OP does have a point...

                   

                  Mylenium

                  • 6. Re: Removing shake in after effects
                    Dave LaRonde Level 6

                    I've also got a 6 minute clip during lot of wind and choppy water from a camera halfway up the mast of a small yacht.

                     

                    Ouch.  Well, you can TRY Warp Stabilizer on it, but don't expect miracles.  It's intended to smooth out bumps in tracking shots and such.  It's great at it.  But a shot where the camera's pitching up & down and back & forth?  That's tough.

                    • 7. Re: Removing shake in after effects
                      Rick Gerard Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      Warp stabilizer, in fact nearly any stabilizer, requires stationary details to analyze so that a shot can be stabilized. The only time I've ever been able to stabilize a shot that's mostly water is to stabilize the horizon using Mocha. Warp stabilizer will look at all of the moving water and either fail or make a mess of the shot. Add to the problem that if the camera is locked to the mast and the boat is in the shot you've got a real disconnect between the elements in the frame that need to be stabilized.

                      • 8. Re: Removing shake in after effects
                        joshweiland Level 2

                        I must've skipped over the description of the footage.

                         

                        Warp stabilizer might work with your 4WD footage.  But the yacht footage will be tricky to stabilize, regardless of the tool you use.

                        • 9. Re: Removing shake in after effects
                          Ryadia™ Level 1

                          I'd like to thank all who replied to my question. After a few days of experimentation I've found that Warp Stabilizer can certainly be used for correcting many hand help situations but like many components provided by Adobe in their graphic software, it has limitations that third party products do a much better job at.

                           

                          Warp Stabilizer is certainly able to level out the effects of a hand held camera phone or pocket camera but to a videographer needing to produce broadcast quality promos, the fact that it works but nowhere near as well as a specialist product developed for the specific purpose is quite clear to me after using some of the information provided in replies.

                           

                          I may be biased after using Mercalli for most of my stabalisation needs but installing their trial and working the same footage with firstly Warp and then Mercalli, I have decided this will remain my prefered stabaliser. I am still not entirely comfortable with AE after several years of Vegas but the learning curve for AE is not as bad as I'd expected. I'm sure I'll become familiar with it in a short time.

                           

                          The comment regarding the need for a stable component when shooting a vast areas of water is overcome quite easiely if you include some of the mast spreaders in the corner of the frame or as in a 4WD mounted camera, a small part of the vehicle the camera is attached to will provide the constant needed. It does take a little practice to avoid over Stabilization but isn't that so with everything?.

                           

                          Thanks all, I apreciate your help

                           

                          Ryadia

                          • 10. Re: Removing shake in after effects
                            joshweiland Level 2

                            Would you be willing to post a sample of your footage, pre- and post-stabilization?  Just interested in seeing how it turned out.

                            Ryadia™ wrote:

                             

                            Warp Stabilizer is certainly able to level out the effects of a hand held camera phone or pocket camera but to a videographer needing to produce broadcast quality promos, the fact that it works but nowhere near as well as a specialist product developed for the specific purpose is quite clear to me after using some of the information provided in replies.

                            That's a pretty big generalization there.  Warp Stabilizer can be used with professional/broadcast quality video.  Its ability will depend on the contents of the footage.

                            • 11. Re: Removing shake in after effects
                              Ryadia™ Level 1

                              Sure... Just give me a week or so and I'll be only too happy to show you clips of the promo. I'll post the URL as soon as my client has OK'd it for release.

                               

                              Documentaries are seldome shot in perfect conditions. Weddings almost never get scripted. It is these situations when Stablising in post is needed most. 30 years ago when I was still using an arriflex, I wouldn't dream of shooting anything without the camera on a tripod. Stabalisation was "shoot once and shoot it right". I wasted miles of film mastering a lap disolve.

                               

                              Today I can do it post as if it was a simple clip. My first Edit Suite needed 10 grand's worth of timebase correctors to do what you can now do with an iPhone. Digital has improved the quantity of shoots but the time consumed editing in editing doesn't change regardless of you cutting film or using a digital editor!

                               

                              Ryadia