33 Replies Latest reply on Aug 16, 2013 7:57 AM by A.T. Romano

    Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10

    roweder93

      I'm editing and rendering footage recorded with a Nikon D3200 DSLR in 25fps and I'm rendering in AVCHD 1920x1080 25fps square pixels etc.  I'm using Adobe Premiere Elements 10 and settings that have worked flawlessly before many, many times, but now I'm using them on a new computer and I'm having a problem with the frame rate. 

       

      When I render the video file and play it, it plays back at a lower frame rate, 10 or maybe 15 frames per second.  The audio is not affected and the video is not slowed down, but frames are skipped, so it looks very choppy.  I've played the video back on more than one computer, so I know that it isn't an issue with the computer playing the file.  Also, when I look at the properties for the video file, it is blank where it should display the frame rate. 

       

      I rendered 1 video earlier today just fine with audio captured by my camera and video captured at 15fps with a screen recorder and that video file is fine, it has a frame rate of 25fps and it plays back as smooth as 15fps can be.  But the 2nd video I tried to render I must have rendered 20 times testing out different settings and such, with no luck at all.  It will not give me a video file with a defined frame rate.  Does anyone know why this is happening and how to fix it? 

        • 1. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
          A.T. Romano Level 7

          roweder93

           

          Lots of questions. Let us see if we can put them into an explanation and solution for your issue.

           

          1. What computer operating system, including 32 or 64 bit system, are you running Premiere Elements 10 that produced this problem video export? What was the computer operating system of your old computer?

          a. Are all the videos that you are talking about coming from this one Nikon camera? Are you saying that you have your export frame rate issue with all videos from this camera or just this one particular one?

           

          2. What did you set as the Premiere Elements 10 project preset. I am assuming that your Nikon D3200 shot 1920 x 1080 @ 25 progressive frames per second? If that, then did you set the project preset for PAL/DSLR/1080p/DSLR 1080p25?

           

          3. When you had your video in Project Media and right clicked it and selected Interpret Footage, what did the Interpret Footage dialog show for frame rate? When you had your video in Project Media and right clicked it and selected Properties, what did Properties show for frame rate?

           

          4. Can I assume that for export you used

          Share

          Computer

          AVCHD

          with Presets = MP4 - H.264 1920 x 1080p25

          Did you change the export settings under the Advanced Button/Video Tab and Audio Tab? Did you look at the settings under the Advanced Button of the preset selected to confirm the summary in the export area? Did the description of the frame rate in the Share/Computer/AVCHD area show 25 frames per second as the frame rate for the pending export?

           

          5. Where are you trying to read the export's frame rate and did not find a listing for the frame rate? Please get a properties readout for your problem export from MediaInfo (tree view)

          http://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo

           

          Let us start here to assemble some information to help us plan troubleshooting strategy.

           

          Thanks.

           

          ATR

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          • 2. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
            roweder93 Level 1

            1. The computer I am running Premiere Elements 10 on is running Windows 8 64 Bit and the previous computer was also running Windows 8 64 Bit, and I also used Premiere Elements 10 on the previous computer with Windows 7 64 Bit and I've never encountered this problem before. 

            a. All of the videos are from this one nikon camera, I've edited video from this nikon camera before, probably a hundred times and I've never before encountered this problem.  The video I was editing only contains one raw video file, from only the Nikon camera. 

             

            2. Yes, the project preset is PAL/DSLR/1080p/DSLR 1080p25

             

            3. interpret footage showed 25.0000 fps and properties showed 25.00 fps

             

            4.  I used (and have been using) a custom preset.  I used AVC, multiplexing: MP4, Stream Compatibility: Standard, PAL, 1920x1080, 25.00fps, square pixels, profile: high, level: 5.1, render at maximum depth is checked, bitrate: VBR 1 pass, target bitrate 32Mbps, max 40Mbps, set keyframe distance is not checked, Audio:  AAC, Stereo, 48kHz, 256kbps, precedence: bitrate.   The description of the frame rate was 25.00 frames per second pending export.

             

            5.  I right clicked on the file and clicked properties and switched to the details tab to see frame rate.  There the frame rate slot was blank. 

             

            I've run the media info program on both the rendered media file and the raw media file, here is the run for the rendered media file:

             

            General

            Complete name                            : C:\Users\Derek\Desktop\Untitled.mp4

            Format                                   : MPEG-4

            Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2

            Codec ID                                 : mp42

            File size                                : 211 MiB

            Duration                                 : 53s 953ms

            Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable

            Overall bit rate                         : 32.8 Mbps

            Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-07 02:55:35

            Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-07 02:55:35

             

            Video

            ID                                       : 1

            Format                                   : AVC

            Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec

            Format profile                           : High@L5.1

            Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes

            Format settings, ReFrames                : 3 frames

            Codec ID                                 : avc1

            Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding

            Duration                                 : 53s 953ms

            Source duration                          : 53s 960ms

            Source_Duration_LastFrame                : -1s 320ms

            Bit rate                                 : 32.1 Mbps

            Width                                    : 1 920 pixels

            Height                                   : 1 080 pixels

            Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9

            Frame rate mode                          : Constant

            Frame rate                               : 25.000 fps

            Standard                                 : PAL

            Color space                              : YUV

            Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0

            Bit depth                                : 8 bits

            Scan type                                : Progressive

            Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.619

            Stream size                              : 206 MiB (98%)

            Source stream size                       : 209 MiB (99%)

            Language                                 : English

            Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-07 02:55:35

            Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-07 02:55:35

            mdhd_Duration                            : 53953

            Color primaries                          : BT.709

            Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709

            Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

             

            Audio

            ID                                       : 2

            Format                                   : AAC

            Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec

            Format profile                           : LC

            Codec ID                                 : 40

            Duration                                 : 53s 953ms

            Source duration                          : 55s 317ms

            Bit rate mode                            : Variable

            Bit rate                                 : 253 Kbps

            Maximum bit rate                         : 324 Kbps

            Channel(s)                               : 2 channels

            Channel positions                        : Front: L R

            Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz

            Compression mode                         : Lossy

            Stream size                              : 1.63 MiB (1%)

            Source stream size                       : 1.67 MiB (1%)

            Language                                 : English

            Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-07 02:55:35

            Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-07 02:55:35

             

             

            And here is the run for the raw file:

             

            General

            Complete name                            : C:\Users\Derek\Videos\Imported Videos\2013-08-05\_DSC7033.MOV

            Format                                   : MPEG-4

            Format profile                           : QuickTime

            Codec ID                                 : qt 

            File size                                : 836 MiB

            Duration                                 : 5mn 18s

            Overall bit rate                         : 22.0 Mbps

            Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-05 16:29:55

            Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-06 21:23:42

            NCDT                                     : NCTG

             

            Video

            ID                                       : 1

            Format                                   : AVC

            Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec

            Format profile                           : High@L4.0

            Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes

            Format settings, ReFrames                : 2 frames

            Codec ID                                 : avc1

            Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding

            Duration                                 : 5mn 18s

            Bit rate mode                            : Variable

            Bit rate                                 : 20.5 Mbps

            Width                                    : 1 920 pixels

            Height                                   : 1 080 pixels

            Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9

            Frame rate mode                          : Constant

            Frame rate                               : 25.000 fps

            Color space                              : YUV

            Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0

            Bit depth                                : 8 bits

            Scan type                                : Progressive

            Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.394

            Stream size                              : 777 MiB (93%)

            Language                                 : English

            Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-05 16:29:55

            Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-05 16:29:55

            Color primaries                          : BT.709

            Matrix coefficients                      : BT.601

            Transfer characteristics                 : BT.470 System M

             

            Audio

            ID                                       : 2

            Format                                   : PCM

            Format settings, Endianness              : Little

            Format settings, Sign                    : Signed

            Codec ID                                 : sowt

            Duration                                 : 5mn 18s

            Bit rate mode                            : Constant

            Bit rate                                 : 1 536 Kbps

            Channel(s)                               : 2 channels

            Channel positions                        : Front: L R

            Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz

            Bit depth                                : 16 bits

            Delay relative to video                  : 40ms

            Stream size                              : 58.4 MiB (7%)

            Language                                 : English

            Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-05 16:29:55

            Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-05 16:29:55

             

             

             

            I hope this helps you figure out what the problem may be, and thank you for helping me! 

             

            -Derek

            • 3. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
              roweder93 Level 1

              Now it appears as though there is not a problem with my Adobe Premiere Elements 10 program. 

               

              I just tried uploading the video to youtube, and it plays just fine on youtube.  I think there is an incompatibility between windows 8 and AVCHD or something strange along those lines.  I tried playing this same clip on my other windows 8 laptop (which is now my mom's) and it played choppy like it did on this computer.  But when I play it on youtube it is fine, and not choppy at all. 

              • 4. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                A.T. Romano Level 7

                Derek

                 

                Thanks for all the helpful information about your issue.

                 

                It would appear that what starts out as 25 progressive frames per second remains at 25 progressive frames per second at least on the readouts.

                 

                What is your basis for the 10 to 15 frames per second conclusion? What is the computer player involved when you draw this conclusion? In this instance, how many different types of players have you used for this particular export viewing?

                 

                I am going to try to get a sample from your brand/model camera to see if I can simulate the situation that you describe. Would it be worthwhile to post a Dropbox sample for testing if it comes to that?

                 

                I will think about this some more and work on this further tomorrow.

                 

                To be continued...

                 

                ATR

                 

                Add On...That was great news about your YouTube results.

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                • 5. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                  roweder93 Level 1

                  Sorry for the delay, and thank you for your help! 

                   

                  I just realized something, between this never happening before and this happening now, I changed the setting on my camera for "Color Space" from "sRGB" to "Adobe RGB" and the file names switched from "DSC_9999" to "_DSC9999".  I have no idea why they would make that change but they did. 

                   

                  My basis for the 10 to 15 frames per second was just that that is what it looked like, that was all.  I wasn't told by any program on my computer that it was 10 or 15fps or anything like that.  Just a guess.  And I was using both the windows 8 video app as well as windows media player, and quicktime player.  quicktime player was the worst. 

                   

                  I could definitely drop box a sample video from my camera.  I could also drop box one in "sRGB" color space and another in "Adobe RGB" to see if that is what started the issue.  I would think that "Adobe RGB" would be better, but the camera is newer than the video editor, so maybe it's Adobe RGB color space is a new version that premiere elements 10 doesn't have the codec for or something.  Or maybe now that my premiere program has some Adobe RGB color space video to use, it is rendering Adobe RGB video, which my computer just isn't good at playing or something?  I have no idea haha, it's a bit baffling. 

                   

                  And one more thing.  This is a little odd:  When I play the video I previously had trouble with on my computer, it would play choppy, as if it had a slower frame rate, but at the end it would fade out, which I made it do in Adobe Premiere Elements.  It is sapposed to fade out, and it's a good sign that it did when I played the video file on my computer.  But what's weird, is that when I uploaded the video to YouTube, it did not fade out at the end, and I'm not sure if it cut off right where it started to fade out, or if it just somehow didn't know it was sapposed to fade out and went all of the way to the end simply without fading out.  I'm not sure which happened or what it would mean, but it didn't fade out on YouTube both times I uploaded it even though it had a faded ending both times. 

                  • 6. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                    A.T. Romano Level 7

                    roweder93

                     

                    As a favor one Elements user to another, if you Dropbox here the samples of the videos involved, I will take a look at them to see how they behave in my Premiere Elements Windows.

                     

                    It would be good to include a sample from the Nikon before it ever saw Premiere Elements as well as any exports of the Timeline that are problems.

                     

                    It sounds like an interesting study that we all can learn from.

                     

                    Thanks.

                     

                    ATR

                     

                    Please do not post nor include anything that would invade your privacy.

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                    • 7. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                      roweder93 Level 1

                      Ok, how can I drop box them to this forum?  The video button looks like it's only for uploading to other websites and then embedding them here. 

                       

                      One more quick note:  I just successfully, without any errors, edited, rendered, and played a video that I did using the NTSC video format - I used this format so that I could slow 60fps video to 24fps, to get a speed of 2/5, rather than use PAL and slow 50fps video to 25fps, getting 1/2 speed.  So maybe this is only a problem in the PAL format. 

                       

                      I will drop box some 25fps PAL video files, "DSC_7092.MOV" in sRGB, "_DSC7093.MOV" in Adobe RGB, and "Dry Ice and Candles.mp4", which is the video I uploaded to YouTube that played fine on YouTube but does not play well on my computer. 

                      • 8. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                        A.T. Romano Level 7

                        roweder93

                         

                        Just the other day one of the Premiere Elements users posted here a link to Dropbox from where we could download the problem files.

                         

                        I suspect that you can post the link here to the Dropbox download (not going through the Insert Video option at the top of the Reply), but unfortunately I have never been there done that. Hunt knows the ins and outs of this forum, so maybe he can tell us the best way to go about that.

                         

                        Basically I believe it involves getting a link from Dropbox for the file and then posting the link in your thread.

                         

                        Any problems with that please let us know.

                         

                        Thanks.

                         

                        ATR

                         

                        Add On...I need to go back and review your whole thread, but let me ask anyway.....Are you after slow motion and fast motion effects for your video? If so, have you explored and experimented with Interpret Footage or Time Stretch for these effects?

                        • 9. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                          roweder93 Level 1

                          Ok, I didn't realize you meant dropbox the website.  I do have an account there.  Here are the videos:

                           

                          Raw sRGB video:

                          https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48134402/DSC_7092.MOV

                           

                          Raw Adobe RGB video:

                          https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48134402/_DSC7093.MOV

                           

                          Rendered with premiere elements from Adobe RGB video (this is the video my computer wouldn't play properly):

                          https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48134402/Dry%20Ice%20and%20Candles.mp4

                           

                           

                          And for the slow motion effect, I just use time stretch.  I set it to 40% of the original speed, and that turns the 59.94fps into 23.976fps, and I render it at 23.976fps. 

                          • 10. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                            A.T. Romano Level 7

                            roweder93

                             

                            Just starting my day and am in the process of downloading your videos for checking them out in my Premiere Elements and computer environment.

                             

                            One just finished downloading; two more to do.

                             

                            More later.

                             

                            ATR

                            • 12. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                              A.T. Romano Level 7

                              roweder93

                               

                              I have one more to download.

                               

                              I did a quick play back of the third that you have listed, the one with play back problems.

                               

                              It was a playback in Windows Media Player in Windows 7 64 bit. I did not see any problems.

                               

                              But, let me check out the 3 to get the overview.

                               

                              Please remind me what player(s) showed the problem for this 3rd video.

                               

                              To be continued...

                               

                              ATR

                              • 13. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                A.T. Romano Level 7

                                roweder93

                                 

                                ...92 and ..93...(.mov) cannot make the comparison because

                                a. ..93 will not open with QuickTime Player, Windows Media Player, nor VLC Media Player

                                It looks like the video codec "qt" was used for ...93. By contrast, the ...92 with no problems uses the video codec avc1 (AVCHD)

                                b. ..92 plays back OK on all 3 players (no jerky movement...not sure of coloring since I do not have comparison file)

                                 

                                As for the problem video (.mp4)...no problem at all at playback on all 3 players. And, it can be imported back into Premiere Elements 11 (Windows 7 64 bit) without issue in importing it or getting a good playback in the Edit Mode Monitor

                                 

                                Please review and then we can decide what next.

                                 

                                Thank you.

                                 

                                ATR

                                • 14. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                  roweder93 Level 1

                                  So, the video recorded using Adobe RGB color space did have problems playing?  But the one rendered did not?  I'll have to try these on a windows 7 64 bit pc to see if I get the same results you did.  I think the problem here is the Adobe RGB.  I'm not sure though. 

                                  • 15. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                    A.T. Romano Level 7

                                    roweder93

                                     

                                    From my look at the video properties readout, I suspect the problem goes to the difference in video compression between the two.

                                     

                                    The .mov is just the wrapper format. Both have that. But, the one that would not playback (...93) had the qt video codec whereas the one that did playback (...92) had the avc1 aka AVCHD video codec. How come they did not have the same video compression?

                                     

                                    ATR

                                    • 16. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                      roweder93 Level 1

                                      I have no idea, that is extremely strange.  The only difference from the camera was the Adobe RGB color space vs. sRGB color space. 

                                       

                                      I tried playing them on my parents' computer, it is a windows 7 64 bit computer.  It got the same exact result as mine.  "DSC_7092.MOV" and "_DSC7093.MOV" played just fine while "Dry Ice and Candles.mp4" played choppy. 

                                       

                                      This is so strange.  I would never have guessed that color space could affect the compression.  I didn't know my camera could do more than one type of compression. 

                                       

                                      I suppose if I'm rendering with adobe in AVCHD I should use the sRGB in the camera then?  Becuase the camera uses AVCHD compression with sRGB, or at least that is how it seems so far, right?

                                      • 17. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                        A.T. Romano Level 7

                                        roweder93

                                         

                                        Let me do some online searching to see what I can find out about your camera and this color space matter.

                                         

                                        I have been using the free MediaInfo program do get my video properties readouts. Maybe do some comparisons to see if you find a trend.

                                        http://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo

                                         

                                        I have Premiere Elements 11 on Windows 8 64 bit laptop as well as on Windows 7 64 bit. Later today I will look at those 3 files on Windows 8 64 bit and see what they look like there.

                                         

                                        To be continued.

                                         

                                        ATR

                                        • 18. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                          A.T. Romano Level 7

                                          roweder93

                                           

                                          Just took a look at ..92, ..93, and the .mp4 on Windows 8 64 bit laptop (QuickTime player).

                                           

                                          Same results.

                                           

                                          .mp4, no problem, everything seemed more vivid in that computer environment.

                                           

                                          ..92, play back good.

                                           

                                          ..93, QuickTIme player refused to play it...that is the one with the qt video compression.

                                           

                                          More later.

                                           

                                          ATR

                                           

                                          Quick add on...do all your computers have QuickTIme latest verison installed?

                                          • 19. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                            roweder93 Level 1

                                            So, the video file with the qt compression will not play in quicktime?  is qt compression quick time compression?  Shouldn't quick time video player be able to play quicktime compression videos?

                                            • 20. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                              nealeh Level 5

                                              '93' plays fine on my W7-64 in VLC, Windows Media Player, and QuickTime player (although oddly in QT it only plays back at just under 16fps, although it is a 25fps file).

                                               

                                              It also played, but jerkily, directly in FireFox with the QT plug-in.

                                               

                                              Cheers,
                                              --
                                              Neale
                                              Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children.

                                              • 21. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                A.T. Romano Level 7

                                                roweder93

                                                 

                                                Here is where I am at right now. All reproducible on Windows 7 64 bit and Windows 8 64 bit.

                                                 

                                                That ...93 .mov file will not play back on any player that I have on the computer...QuickTime, Windows Media Player, VLC Media Player. And, it will not import into Premiere Elements. MediaInfo gives limited readout for it. And, it does show the video codec as "qt". I am not sure if this is MediaInfo's way of indicating a QuickTime video for which it can supply only limited information for some reason.

                                                 

                                                That .92.mov which is fully identified by MediaInfo has no problem, and MediaInfo gives it an unquestionable avi1 (AVCHD) video codec.

                                                 

                                                Now, since both .92 and ..93 are supposed to be coming from this same Nikon D3200 camera and Nikon D3200 is supposed to be using the AVCHD (MPEG4 AVC/H.264) video codec (aka avc1), the ..93 is a puzzlement. Can you produce another one of its kind?

                                                 

                                                I would have to dust off my memory, but I seem to recall an interesting color profile incompatibility for Premiere Elements or Photoshop Elements. But what makes that of less consequence is the fact that you are able to get playback of that ...93 file.

                                                 

                                                Whatever the case, QuickTime here on 2 different computers cannot read that ..93 file. And, if you believe the MediaInfo readout, it should not exist if from the same camera as the rest which offers only AVCHD video codec.

                                                 

                                                I am getting excellent playback for the AVCHD.mov and the .mp4.

                                                 

                                                I am thinking about this some more.

                                                 

                                                ATR

                                                • 22. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                  A.T. Romano Level 7

                                                  nealeh

                                                   

                                                  Amazing. If you put that ...93 file through MediaInfo, what does it show for video codec as well as the rest of the properties readout...

                                                  AVCHD (avc1) or qt?

                                                   

                                                  What does ..92 show for video codec?

                                                   

                                                  I downloaded that ..93 twice and got the same results as described.

                                                   

                                                  ATR

                                                   

                                                  Add On...what is this QT-plugin that you mention?

                                                  • 23. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                    roweder93 Level 1

                                                    Ok, here is another Adobe RGB video file:

                                                     

                                                    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48134402/_DSC7095.MOV

                                                     

                                                    By the way, when you play the mp4 video and it plays smoothly, does it fade out at the end?

                                                    • 24. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                      A.T. Romano Level 7

                                                      roweder93

                                                       

                                                      Downloading loading the DSC7095.mov at this moment about 12 minutes to go.

                                                       

                                                      Great fade out at the end of the .mp4 video.

                                                       

                                                      To be continued...

                                                       

                                                      ATR

                                                      • 25. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                        A.T. Romano Level 7

                                                        roweder93

                                                         

                                                        Great video DSC7095, played fine...bit of a rapid scan back and forth effect, but I think that was the videographer not the video player

                                                        The MediaInfo gave the full tree view for it which showed

                                                        General Section: Codec ID = qt

                                                        Video Section: avc1 (AVCHD)

                                                         

                                                        95.JPG

                                                         

                                                        By comparison, that ..93 refused to play back, and all MediaInfo would offer in the same tree view was

                                                        General Section Codec ID = qt

                                                        Nothing Else

                                                         

                                                        93.JPG

                                                        Based the above, I think my prior quess was correct in that, for ..93,  MediaInfo was using Codec = qt generically but who knows what the actual compression was.

                                                         

                                                        The ..95 had more natural looking coloration than the ..92 but I am not sure if that is due to different lighting in different locations or something else. But ..95, ...92, and .mp4 were winners playback wise, no jumpy video.

                                                         

                                                        That is the latest report.

                                                         

                                                        ATR

                                                        • 26. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                          nealeh Level 5

                                                          Here is MediaInfo output for '93' (can't see how to set a non-proportional font though (probably possible in html view)):

                                                          General

                                                          Complete name                            : I:\Users\Neale\Desktop\_DSC7093.MOV

                                                          Format                                   : MPEG-4

                                                          Format profile                           : QuickTime

                                                          Codec ID                                 : qt 

                                                          File size                                : 111 MiB

                                                          Duration                                 : 40s 800ms

                                                          Overall bit rate                         : 22.9 Mbps

                                                          Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-08 22:42:23

                                                          Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-08 22:42:23

                                                          NCDT                                     : NCTG

                                                           

                                                          Video

                                                          ID                                       : 1

                                                          Format                                   : AVC

                                                          Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec

                                                          Format profile                           : High@L4.0

                                                          Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes

                                                          Format settings, ReFrames                : 2 frames

                                                          Codec ID                                 : avc1

                                                          Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding

                                                          Duration                                 : 40s 800ms

                                                          Bit rate mode                            : Variable

                                                          Bit rate                                 : 21.3 Mbps

                                                          Width                                    : 1 920 pixels

                                                          Height                                   : 1 080 pixels

                                                          Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9

                                                          Frame rate mode                          : Constant

                                                          Frame rate                               : 25.000 fps

                                                          Color space                              : YUV

                                                          Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0

                                                          Bit depth                                : 8 bits

                                                          Scan type                                : Progressive

                                                          Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.411

                                                          Stream size                              : 104 MiB (93%)

                                                          Language                                 : English

                                                          Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-08 22:42:23

                                                          Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-08 22:42:23

                                                          Color primaries                          : BT.709

                                                          Matrix coefficients                      : BT.601

                                                          Transfer characteristics                 : BT.470 System M

                                                           

                                                          Audio

                                                          ID                                       : 2

                                                          Format                                   : PCM

                                                          Format settings, Endianness              : Little

                                                          Format settings, Sign                    : Signed

                                                          Codec ID                                 : sowt

                                                          Duration                                 : 40s 800ms

                                                          Bit rate mode                            : Constant

                                                          Bit rate                                 : 1 536 Kbps

                                                          Channel(s)                               : 2 channels

                                                          Channel positions                        : Front: L R

                                                          Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz

                                                          Bit depth                                : 16 bits

                                                          Delay relative to video                  : 40ms

                                                          Stream size                              : 7.47 MiB (7%)

                                                          Language                                 : English

                                                          Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-08 22:42:23

                                                          Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-08 22:42:23

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          If you have FireFox installed, QuickTime automatically installs a plug-in that allows the playing of QT files within the browser.

                                                           

                                                          Cheers,
                                                          --
                                                          Neale
                                                          Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children.

                                                          • 27. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                            nealeh Level 5

                                                            All three clips load successfully to a PRE11 Tiemline (and the fade at the end of 'Candles' is fine):

                                                             

                                                            1.jpg

                                                             

                                                            Here is MediaInfo for the '92' clip:

                                                             

                                                            General

                                                            Complete name                            : I:\Users\Neale\Desktop\DSC_7092.MOV

                                                            Format                                   : MPEG-4

                                                            Format profile                           : QuickTime

                                                            Codec ID                                 : qt 

                                                            File size                                : 96.9 MiB

                                                            Duration                                 : 35s 520ms

                                                            Overall bit rate                         : 22.9 Mbps

                                                            Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-08 22:41:36

                                                            Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-08 22:41:36

                                                            NCDT                                     : NCTG

                                                             

                                                            Video

                                                            ID                                       : 1

                                                            Format                                   : AVC

                                                            Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec

                                                            Format profile                           : High@L4.0

                                                            Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes

                                                            Format settings, ReFrames                : 2 frames

                                                            Codec ID                                 : avc1

                                                            Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding

                                                            Duration                                 : 35s 520ms

                                                            Bit rate mode                            : Variable

                                                            Bit rate                                 : 21.3 Mbps

                                                            Width                                    : 1 920 pixels

                                                            Height                                   : 1 080 pixels

                                                            Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9

                                                            Frame rate mode                          : Constant

                                                            Frame rate                               : 25.000 fps

                                                            Color space                              : YUV

                                                            Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0

                                                            Bit depth                                : 8 bits

                                                            Scan type                                : Progressive

                                                            Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.411

                                                            Stream size                              : 90.2 MiB (93%)

                                                            Language                                 : English

                                                            Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-08 22:41:36

                                                            Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-08 22:41:36

                                                            Color primaries                          : BT.709

                                                            Matrix coefficients                      : BT.601

                                                            Transfer characteristics                 : BT.470 System M

                                                             

                                                            Audio

                                                            ID                                       : 2

                                                            Format                                   : PCM

                                                            Format settings, Endianness              : Little

                                                            Format settings, Sign                    : Signed

                                                            Codec ID                                 : sowt

                                                            Duration                                 : 35s 520ms

                                                            Bit rate mode                            : Constant

                                                            Bit rate                                 : 1 536 Kbps

                                                            Channel(s)                               : 2 channels

                                                            Channel positions                        : Front: L R

                                                            Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz

                                                            Bit depth                                : 16 bits

                                                            Delay relative to video                  : 40ms

                                                            Stream size                              : 6.50 MiB (7%)

                                                            Language                                 : English

                                                            Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-08-08 22:41:36

                                                            Tagged date                              : UTC 2013-08-08 22:41:36

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            Cheers,
                                                            --
                                                            Neale
                                                            Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children.

                                                            • 28. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                              A.T. Romano Level 7

                                                              Nealeh

                                                               

                                                              Thanks for further information on your experience with that ..93 file.

                                                               

                                                              I noticed that the ...93 problem file that I obtained from download had a file size of 33.8 MB whereas your download of the same file had a file size of 111 MB. That would suggest a download problem for me with regard to this specific ...93. But why this one and not the other two which were supposed to be the same? Not sure.

                                                               

                                                              Just starting my day and will look into that one more time.

                                                               

                                                              ATR

                                                              • 29. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                                A.T. Romano Level 7

                                                                roweder93 (also attention nealeh)

                                                                 

                                                                Since nealeh showed a MediaInfo properties readout for the ..93.mov file size = 111 MB (playable) and my download of the file showed the file size of 33.6 MB (not recognized by QuickTime), this morning I tried for a 3rd download of the file that you shared with us via Dropbox.

                                                                 

                                                                In contrast to yesterday's two tries, this 3rd one was a winner. Got all 111 MB of the file. And, it could be opened with and played back on QuickTime, Windows Media Player, VLC Media Player, and even threw into the mix Firefox since nealeh seemed to be opening this file also in that browser. And, 93.mov could be imported into Premiere Elements 11 without issues.

                                                                 

                                                                In none of your video samples 92.mov, 93.mov, .95.mov or the mp4 one did I observe any play back problems with the players mentioned and on Windows 7 or 8 64 bit as detailed previously.

                                                                 

                                                                Now for my specific comparison of 92.mov and 93.mov....using the QuickTime player and its Window Menu/Show Movie Inspector "Playing FPS" as I viewed the video....

                                                                 

                                                                after about 1 second and for the complete duration of 93.mov play back, the Playing FPS  = 25.00 +- 1.00. I found no evidence for any 12 to 15 fps by visual inspection of the playback or what I was seeing for the Playing FPS of the Show Movie Inspector. If there was any difference between 92.mov and .93.mov, it was in the colors, especially noticable was the lighter shade of browns in 92.mov as compared to 93.mov.

                                                                 

                                                                From the point of view of stabilization of the video shot, that is another matter which might profit from the use of the Video Stablizer effect or fine tuning of the camera panning during shooting.

                                                                 

                                                                The above are my recent observations and take on the matter.

                                                                 

                                                                ATR

                                                                • 30. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                                  roweder93 Level 1

                                                                  Well, I'm not sure exactly what's up with the problem I was having, because I've been using the Adobe RGB still and I've been rendering the videos no problem.  Here is the latest one I've done, it's 10 minutes, Adobe RGB, and no playback issues pre or post rendering:

                                                                   

                                                                  (this is not the raw file, the raw file is way too big) - http://youtu.be/htB40-1emkM

                                                                  • 31. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                                    A.T. Romano Level 7

                                                                    roweder93

                                                                     

                                                                    Congratulations on your very impressive video presentation.

                                                                     

                                                                    One of its striking features is its organization. It was exceptionally well done, and the high level of that organization of content took it over the edge of good review (just another review) to excellent plus review. The video held my attention from beginning to end.

                                                                     

                                                                    As for the video itself, the audio/voice quality playback was excellent. And, text (font type, font size) against the background selected made the text more readable. Your idea of using red text to indicate your computer option preferences was a good idea. Have you compared your color spaces specific to the way that the red text would present?

                                                                     

                                                                    We are very pleased with your progress.

                                                                     

                                                                    Thanks for the follow up.

                                                                     

                                                                    ATR

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                                                                    • 32. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                                      roweder93 Level 1

                                                                      Thank you! 

                                                                       

                                                                      I'm glad you noticed the organization, I put a lot of time into it, and one thing a lot of reviewers don't do is provide sectioned reviews.  I thought of doing that because often viewers aren't interested in the whole 15 minute video.  When I look up reviews for things, I often see that there are 15 minutes left and I just look for a different video, so I thought why not by 20 seconds in show exactly what I'm going to say, and provide a link to skip to each section in case a viewer is only interested in that section. 

                                                                       

                                                                      Thanks (about the audio), it took me a few videos before this one to learn how far to be from the mic to avoid distortion, and how high up to turn the noise reducer to prevent odd effects on my voice. 

                                                                       

                                                                      I didn't compare color spaces to the way the red text would present, I assume youtube conforms everything to whichever color space it uses?  I don't know.  However, while I was taking a picture for the thumbnail, I was noticing a bit of noise in the picture that I thought shouldn't be there, so I tried switching back to sRGB instead of Adobe RGB, and it didn't reduce the noise, but it completely changed the picture!  I had used the same exposure, but in the sRGB picture the walls were white instead of a dark yellow. 

                                                                       

                                                                      I'll have to do some more research about the true differences that color space can make.  I learned from a photographers video that Adobe RGB could give you deeper and more accurate color than sRGB.  But the video was not about color space, it was about long exposure night photography.  And the photographer was only mentioning this as a side note.  And that was why I started using Adobe RGB.  I've got to get to bed now, but if I do more research on it (which may not be for a while), I'll probably come back here and let you know what I find. 

                                                                      • 33. Re: Problem with Frame Rate After Rendering - Premiere Elements 10
                                                                        A.T. Romano Level 7

                                                                        roweder93

                                                                         

                                                                        Thanks for the follow up.

                                                                         

                                                                        We will look forward to any further developements regarding Premiere Elements and the video color space considerations when you have time.

                                                                         

                                                                        ATR