19 Replies Latest reply on Aug 13, 2013 9:20 AM by Liz2512

    Printing Separations Help

    Liz2512 Level 1

      I think I may be overlooking something but I can't seem to figure this out. I am creating 2 color files and need to print them to separations for the printer. I can do that fine but the quality of the raster images is really bad on the separations file, the vector parts are fine, also both are fine on the composite pdf. Anyone know what i'm doing wrong?

        • 1. Re: Printing Separations Help
          MW Design Level 4

          How are you printing the seps to file? If making a PS file for distilling, what are your distiller settings? Those settings will affect the bitmap downsizing.

          • 2. Re: Printing Separations Help
            Liz2512 Level 1

            Printing from indesign to pdf printer.  Here's the print summary, does that help?

             

            Print Preset: [Custom]

            Printer: Adobe PDF

            PPD: Adobe PDF

            PPD File: C:\Windows\system32\spool\DRIVERS\x64\3\ADPDF9.PPD

             

             

            General

                Copies: 1

                Collate: N/A

                Reverse Order: Off

                Pages: All

                Sequence: All Pages

                Spreads: Off

                Print Master Pages: Off

                Print Layers: Visible & Printable Layers

                Print Non-printing Objects: Off

                Print Blank Pages: N/A

                Print Visible Guides and Baseline Grids: N/A

             

             

            Setup

                Paper Size: Custom

                Paper Width: Auto

                Paper Height: Auto

                Page Orientation: Landscape

                Paper Offset: 0 in

                Paper Gap: 0 in

                Transverse: Off

                Scaling: 100%

                Constrain Proportions: On

                Page Position: Centered

                Thumbnails: N/A

                Tiling: Off

             

             

            Marks and Bleed

                Crop Marks: Off

                Bleed Marks: Off

                Registration Marks: On

                Color Bars: Off

                Page Information: Off

                Printer Mark Type: Default

                Crop Mark Weight: 0.25 pt

                Mark Offset from Page: 0.0833 in

                Use Document Bleed Settings: On

                Bleed Top: 0 in

                Bleed Bottom: 0 in

                Bleed Inside: 0 in

                Bleed Outside: 0 in

                Include Slug Area: Off

             

             

            Output

                Color: Separations

                Text As Black: N/A

                Trapping: Off

                Flip: None

                Negative: Off

                Screening: 71 lpi / 600 dpi

                Simulate Overprint: N/A

                Ink List

                    Ink Name: Process Cyan

                        Print: No

                        Frequency: 63.2456

                        Angle: 71.5651

                        Sequence: 1

                        Density: 0.61

                        Type: Normal

             

             

                    Ink Name: Process Magenta

                        Print: No

                        Frequency: 63.2456

                        Angle: 18.4349

                        Sequence: 2

                        Density: 0.76

                        Type: Normal

             

             

                    Ink Name: Process Yellow

                        Print: No

                        Frequency: 66.6667

                        Angle: 0

                        Sequence: 3

                        Density: 0.16

                        Type: Normal

             

             

                    Ink Name: Process Black

                        Print: No

                        Frequency: 70.7107

                        Angle: 45

                        Sequence: 4

                        Density: 1.7

                        Type: Normal

             

             

                    Ink Name: PANTONE 186 U

                        Print: No

                        Frequency: 70.7107

                        Angle: 45

                        Sequence: 5

                        Density: 0.717

                        Type: Normal

             

             

                    Ink Name: PANTONE 431 U

                        Print: Yes

                        Frequency: 70.7107

                        Angle: 45

                        Sequence: 6

                        Density: 0.661

                        Type: Normal

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Graphics

                Send Data: All

                Download: Complete

                Download PPD Fonts: On

                PostScript®: Level 3

                Data Format: ASCII

             

             

            Color Management

                Document Profile: U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2

                Color Handling: Let InDesign Determine Colors

                Printer Profile: Document CMYK - U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2

                Preserve CMYK Numbers: On

                Proof Profile: N/A

                Simulate Paper Color: N/A

             

             

            Advanced

                Print &as Bitmap: N/A

                Bitmap Resolution: N/A

                OPI Image Replacement: On

                EPS: Off

                PDF: Off

                Bitmap Images: Off

                Transparency Flattener Preset: [High Resolution]

                Ignore Spread Overrides: Off

            • 3. Re: Printing Separations Help
              Bill Byers

              You also need to define your PDF parameters by clicking the "Setup" button at the bottom of the Print dialog. This is essentially the same as checking your distiller settings (as mentioned in Post #1) or choosing a PDF preset when you export a composite PDF from InDesign. Choose a preset (or define your own) that doesn't allow your raster images to be downsampled too much.

               

              -Bill

              • 4. Re: Printing Separations Help
                Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                Turn off OPI for starters....

                 

                Reset the Screening value to at least 100 lpi, 175 is probably better.

                 

                And make sure that the links are up to date.

                • 5. Re: Printing Separations Help
                  MW Design Level 4

                  And just for grins and giggles, one last check of the effective PPI of the images may be in order... in addition to the above replies.

                  • 6. Re: Printing Separations Help
                    rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    But why mess with separations at all? Surely the printer has AcrobatPro, they can easily output the 2 colors from a PDF/X-4 export.

                    • 7. Re: Printing Separations Help
                      Liz2512 Level 1

                      Thanks for all the reply's, thats what I needed to do, thanks. there's not a whole lot but there are still some printers that don't know how to do it.

                      • 8. Re: Printing Separations Help
                        Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        Tell your printer he/she needs to get in another business if he/she doesn't know how to create separations.

                        • 9. Re: Printing Separations Help
                          BobLevine MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                          I knew if I stayed out of this long enough someone would finally state the obvious.

                          • 10. Re: Printing Separations Help
                            Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                            For all we know, Liz2512 is deep in a jungle someplace with limited choices for a printer, so I figure it never hurts to answer a question, though it certainly isn't a bad idea to suggest there are better ways.

                            • 11. Re: Printing Separations Help
                              BobLevine MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                              Well, the OP may not be deep in a jungle but it sounds like the printer is.

                              • 12. Re: Printing Separations Help
                                MW Design Level 4

                                And I knew when "someone finally stated the obvious" it would be rather harsh and a bit untrue.

                                 

                                There are reasons for doing the seps to a PDF. Valid reasons.

                                • 13. Re: Printing Separations Help
                                  BobLevine MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                                  There are no valid reasons to ask an end user to do it...NONE!

                                  • 14. Re: Printing Separations Help
                                    Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                    Off the top of my head I can't think of a lot of reasons other than lack of technology that wouldn't fall under the heading of "the printer would be better qualified to produce the seps he needs" so perhaps you might share an example.

                                     

                                    Still, if a want to (or must) use a particular printer for some reason, such as specialty output, and he tells me he needs seps from me, I'll make them, and I think that's something any good desinger should know how to do in a pinch.

                                    • 15. Re: Printing Separations Help
                                      Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                      Of course we've all been assuming, I think, that the printer actually asked for the seps, and you know waht happens when you assume...

                                       

                                      The same advice we give when users want to know how to impose would probably be appropriate here: Unless you were specifically asked to supply separtions, don't.

                                      • 16. Re: Printing Separations Help
                                        BobLevine MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                                        There's a lot of things people should know how to do and that was

                                        answered early on in this thread.

                                        • 18. Re: Printing Separations Help
                                          Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                          Bob Levine wrote:

                                           

                                          There's a lot of things people should know how to do and that was

                                          answered early on in this thread.

                                          Exactly. To then say that this is never correct and one should find another printer (or similar) is not really all that helpful. Better to clarify that this is not a modern workflow, and should be avoided when possible, and, of course, never volunteer to do the printer's work. Wait for the request.

                                          • 19. Re: Printing Separations Help
                                            Liz2512 Level 1

                                            the printer did ask for separations otherwise I wouldn't be doing it. their "art dept" is very limited. im not in charge of who they decide prints it, usually the cheapest so it's not realistic for me to tell my customer's they can't use them when it's really not that hard of a thing to do.