29 Replies Latest reply on Sep 17, 2013 5:57 PM by A.T. Romano

    Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9

    Chucky-Tiger Level 1

      I want to crop a bit from the left and a bit from the right of a movie [not equal amounts].

      In Photoshop it is easy, but in Premiere Elements 9 Trim and Crop just appear to zoom in.

      I just want to be able to remove without rescaling unattractive parts.

       

      Stupidly being new to video as it is in Photoshop I just assumed [always dangerous] tht would be possible.

       

      Ideally I do not want the result to be rescaled and suffer a loss in quality. Ideally I would like this then to be centered.

      I can live with a black border where I removed the offending edges.

       

      There seems to be no way for the user to determine how much lefrt, right , top and bottom.

       

      sorry if I posted this in the pro section but there seems to be no forum for Premeiere Elements. And no support or manuals!

       

      I am happy to buy the upgrade to Premiere Elements 11 if that can do it.

       

      Any help much appreciated!

       

      Peter

        • 2. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
          Chucky-Tiger Level 1

          Thanks so much sorry I missed it.

          • 3. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
            Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

            I'll move it there for you.

             

            Thanks,

            Kevin

            • 6. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
              the_wine_snob Level 9

              Peter,

               

              You can apply the Effect>Crop, and adjust it to just the Left & Right (0% on Top & Bottom).

               

              Now, if you have adjusted the Crop, with an unequal reduction from one side vs the other, you can "center" your Cropped Frame in the Video Frame, by adjusting the Fixed Effect>Motion>Position to center it.

               

              Good luck,

               

              Hunt

              • 7. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                Chucky-Tiger Level 1

                Thanks so much I must look for that % adjustment.

                I was praying it was possible..

                • 8. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                  the_wine_snob Level 9

                  Once you have applied the Crop Effect, and with the Clip Selected, go to the FX tab, to expose all Effects. Twirl open the Crop Effect (little triangle next to "Crop"), to reveal the adjustments. There, you can click on the % window and type a value, or click+scrub it, to change the %.

                  PrE11_Crop_Effect.png

                  Note: screen-cap is from PrE 11.

                   

                  Hope that helps, and good luck,

                   

                  Hunt

                   

                  Message was edited by: Bill Hunt - Added "Note"

                  • 9. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                    Chucky-Tiger Level 1

                    Fantastic I found it.

                     

                    I don't really understand the difference between

                    Transform  .>

                    Clip

                    and

                    Transform  .>

                    Crop

                     

                    I think I read somewhere that 'Clip' just removes the parts I didn't want and then leaves it as is, albeit in a little smaller screen view.

                     

                    Whereas 'Crop' cus allegedly cuts off the bits I did not want as with 'Clip' but then automatically rescales it proprtionately, a bit like zooming in?

                     

                    OK I could understand that, say if one had taken an equal amount off all the way around [which I am not doing] but in this case, if it zoomed in to fill the screen left to right, it would remove part of the subjects head and feet?

                     

                    I guess I am really asking should I be using "CLIP" or "CROP".

                     

                    As I am embarrassed to ask all these niaive questions; where can one find a manual to download?

                    But so grateful for your help in the interim.

                     

                    As you have probably guessed 'still photography' is my forte, and I got caught out having recorded a bunch of videos; and now have to edit and deliver them.

                    At the time people kept asking me to shoot some video for them. And naively I thought 'how hard can that be?' So encouraged by reviews, that said my camera, a Canon 5D Mk III was reasonable at video, off I went. OOOOPs crash flat on my face.

                     

                    Re no support and no manuals!  My copy came with my new Sony Vaio laptop, but Premiere Elements was preloaded. When I asked Sony support for help - they said ask Adobe we do not know that Application. I then rang Adobe, who asked what is the serial no.? Having no disc or box or manual, I asked how do I find that?. As I could not find it by going to Help , About, and right clicking.

                    Adobe said there is no way to find this once loaded, go and ask the retailer.

                    Sony support spent 2 days and then replied, after I chased them, Sony Sales have not responded! So being in a rush I phoned sales, who said we don't have it - nor can we get it [as it is a burned image, done at the factory!] so you must ask Sony Support.

                    Get the vicious circle!

                    So knowing I would get nowhere, I went through the motions, and support came back again with "we can't get it" [NB at the time I could not even load APE - due to a Explorer issue - resetting that solved the load part].

                    All I could do was say, "well either get me a disc with the serial number on it so I can get support from Adobe, or buy me the retail pack from Amazon, or replace the whole PC package to comply with our contract of supply and support".  That made them cough! and they have requisitioned permission to buy me the package again!

                    I am 3 days without use of the product and awaiting their official reply.  Hence I am mega grateful to anyone, who so kindly has helped me out.Especially as I have deadlines to meet.

                    Thanks

                    Peter

                    • 10. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                      A.T. Romano Level 7

                      Peter,

                       

                      About your pre-installed Premiere Elements and serial number. Please check the paperwork for the computer purchase to see if you have documentation that you should have an installation disc for this product as well as others on your computer. Look at the fine print.

                       

                      But to the here and now...

                      When to use Video Effects Clip versus Crop....

                      The closest answer that I have come to that is from the Premiere Elements Effect Reference document

                      http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premiereelements/using/WS4B8135DA-083C-42eb-B09E-65070ECBC889. html#WS44DE71A2-B004-4103-BD28-54BB1BB42A27

                       

                      Excerpt from that...

                      Clip (Windows only)

                       

                      The Clip effect trims rows of pixels off the edges of a clip and replaces the trimmed areas with a specified background color. If you want Adobe Premiere Elements to automatically resize the trimmed clip to its original dimensions, use the Crop effect instead of the Clip effect

                      Left, Top, Right, Bottom
                      Crops each edge of the clip separately.
                      Fill Color
                      Specifies the color that replaces the trimmed areas. The default color is black.
                      Units
                      Sets the units specified by the sliders, either in pixels or the percentage of the frames. Click the Setup button at the right of the effect name to set units.

                       

                      Crop

                      The Crop effect trims rows of pixels from the edges of a clip and, if you select the Zoom option, automatically resizes the trimmed clip to its original dimensions. Use the slider controls to crop each edge of the clip separately. You can crop by pixels or clip percentage.

                       

                      I have underlined a part in Clip description which probably addresses some of the questions on this. I can see the Clip Effect being handy for photographers doing a video presentation and wanting to put a colored border around their photos on the Timeline.

                       

                      I would suggest that you take a look at the Premiere Elements 11 Help PDF. I think it is great for getting started and no added expense.

                      http://helpx.adobe.com/pdf/premiere-elements_reference.pdf

                       

                      As for you asking questions...please do not hesitate to ask the smallest or largest questions. We all learn from the Q& A. Premiere Elements is a continuing learning experience for all levels of users.

                       

                      ATR

                      • 11. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                        the_wine_snob Level 9

                        Peter,

                         

                        I owe you an apology. Though you clearly stated PrE 9 in your post's title, I did not make note of that, until ATR replied to you. My screen-caps were from PrE 11. The parameter adjustments are the same, but getting to that point is different. Sorry about that.

                         

                        Good luck,

                         

                        Hunt

                        • 12. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                          A.T. Romano Level 7

                          Hunt,

                           

                          Not sure of any misunderstanding here. But, since you mentioned me, let me make it clear concerning my references to versions in my post 10 in this thread.

                           

                          Clearly understood that Peter is using Premiere Elements 9.0/9.0.1. Moving to Premiere Elements 11 in the future was a side thought from Peter.

                           

                          The excerpt on Clip and Crop description was meant to be a generalized one, relating to versions 9.0/9.0.1 or 11.

                           

                          The suggestion to check out the Premiere Elements 11 Help PDF was for an overview for contemplation before taking on the version 9.0/9.0.1 to 11 interface changes.

                           

                          ATR

                          • 13. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                            the_wine_snob Level 9

                            Thanks for the clarification.

                             

                            It was I, who had missed Peter's version of PrE, and I did not pick that up, until I saw a post of yours later.

                             

                            Hunt

                            • 14. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                              Chucky-Tiger Level 1

                              HI

                              Just a courtesy post to say .I am most appreciative for all the replies.

                              And am extremely interested resolveing this - and quite frankly need your help.

                               

                              I got back from a long shoot and a long drive 160+ miles at 10.00pm to find 2 new speedlites had arrived and a Bowens Streamlight.

                              I need to check out the speedlites [as  bought them on the grey market so need to know if they work oK ].

                               

                              And in checking out the Streamlight, the big reflector was so badly made it took me over an hour just to push the 3 spigots into their reciever holes - but it is so badly made there is no way I can twist it to lock up!

                               

                              Hence I will have to abort the Adobe excercise to a] test the speedlites, and b] repack the Streamlite and write an email with pictures etc. to get a replacement and collection organised; so it is in time for a shoot I bought it for!

                              If only they made stuff properly!

                              Well miffed as if I had bought a cheapo set of Lights I could have expected it; but paying a hefty price for a "premium" product and getting this garbage really irks me, let alone threatens the main shoot on Monday and scuppers the Sunday shoot!

                               

                              So apologies but I will have to get back to this tomorrow evening.

                               

                              Just wanted you guys to know I am utterly dependant on getting this all sorted.

                              Sure hope you guys can understand.- and will help me tomorrow.

                              Peter  :

                               

                              PS I quickly scanned the replies and they look extremely helpful.

                              • 15. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                the_wine_snob Level 9

                                Sorry about the speedlights. While I know the name Bowens, and know that they have been around for many years, I am unfamiliar with them. I started with Ascors and two Rollei studio units, then moved to Speedotron, when Ascor was rolled into their line up. Other than a Norman 4000WS system (Speedotron did not have that much power back then), that is all I have ever used, other than a handful of my Nikon Speedlights for tiny jobs. Some of my Speedotrons have been around the world a couple of times, and other than scratches on their paint, still keep working.

                                 

                                Good luck, and let us know when you get things sorted out.

                                 

                                Hunt

                                • 16. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                  Chucky-Tiger Level 1

                                  Thanks great help.

                                  My confusion was if I don't select zoom doing a Crop, then what is the difference between that and clip?

                                  i.e. both allow one to cut of top, bottom, left or right side by the desired amount. And would leave the albeit altered frame size less the unwanted areas.

                                  • 17. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                    Chucky-Tiger Level 1

                                    Not at all Bill.

                                    Being over 50;) thats why I still like the phone. But then one wouldn't get all this great help.

                                    • 18. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                      Chucky-Tiger Level 1

                                      Thanks, no the Canon 600 EXRTSpeedlites and the radio trigger STE-3 - thank goodness seem to be All OK. All good! Actually they work pretty well on ETTL2 [which is not usually my favourite]

                                       

                                      The problem was with the Bowens Streamlite a continuous daylight balanced lamp [that I need for video work].

                                      Anyway WEX are next day shipping a replacement tomorrow [Saturday]  - so I can do my shoot on Sunday and the other on Monday.

                                      Lets just hope its not a batch problem!

                                      • 19. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                        Chucky-Tiger Level 1

                                        Yep checked all the paperwork, Nothing other than the Product name and a Product code

                                        There are no discs they even make you burn your own recoery disk!

                                        Even SOny can't find it.

                                        • 20. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                          A.T. Romano Level 7

                                          Peter,

                                           

                                          You wrote

                                          My confusion was if I don't select zoom doing a Crop, then what is the difference between that and clip?

                                           

                                          One aspect of this to consider as I see it. Given that you have a clip and you apply the Clip effect to it. Using the % choice, you trim rows of pixels. I see no way to escape getting a "color" fill in the areas where the pixels were removed. I see no option in Clip Setup for "no color fill". The color fill is great if you want a colored border around your image. But, if the "Clipped" color filled image is placed on Video 2, the Video 1 image will not show. You could think about applying Chroma Key Effect to get the color fill to transparency.

                                           

                                          Clip Effect

                                           

                                          ClipEffect.JPG

                                          In the above, I placed a copy of the original on Video 1. But, all you can see is the Clip Color Filled image. This would be the case if the Color Fill were black since this black would represent the color black and not the black that Premiere Elements uses to represent transparency.

                                           

                                          Now if I took the same photo, applied the Crop Effect, and set the % settings of Crop to the same values as Clip, I would get the same look but with a black border. But this black would represent transparency. This will allow me the alternative of placing some sort of background on Video 1 which would show through the transparency in Video 2 content.

                                           

                                          CropEffect.JPG

                                          The above is shown without putting anything on Video 1.

                                           

                                          The Crop, unlike the Clip, Effect offers the Zoom so that the cropped image fills the screen, leaving no black borders. The following is what the Crop example above looked like after I put a check mark next to Zoom and did a little settings tweeking.

                                           

                                          ZoomTweeking.JPG

                                          And, finally...this is what Clip Effect looked like when I left the Clip settings as is and scaled away the color fill in the

                                          Edit Mode Monitor.

                                           

                                          ClipScaling.JPG

                                           

                                          The above is from a Premiere Elements 11 NTSC DV Standard project on Windows 7 64 bit.

                                           

                                          ATR

                                          • 21. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                            Chucky-Tiger Level 1

                                            Now that is strange I did the udate to 9.01 and it confirmed a sucessful update. But any reference it leaves stil says version 9.0 not 9.01

                                            I was hoping it would be in Help > About, but when I first looked it said Version 9.0 - left it a few minutes to make a coffee and the centre banner said it was ver 9.01

                                            So looks like it did update to Ver. 9.01.

                                             

                                            Is that the latest version?

                                            • 22. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                              A.T. Romano Level 7

                                              Peter,

                                               

                                              That 9.0.1 Update for Premiere Elements 9 is stilll the latest, a patch of sort at the time.

                                               

                                              Premiere Elements 9.0/9.0.1 was particularly prone to display card error messages. The remedies for that were/are:

                                               

                                              a. Assure that you have the latest video card driver according to the web site of the manufacturer of the video card...

                                              if that does not get rid of the display card error message

                                              b. Delete the BadDrivers.txt file.

                                               

                                              Windows 7 or 8 64 bit

                                              Local Disc C

                                              Program Data

                                              Adobe

                                              Premiere Elements

                                              9.0

                                              and in the 9.0 Folder should be the BadDrivers.txt file that you delete.

                                              Make sure that you have Folder Options Show Hidden Files, Folders, and Drives active so that you can see that path.

                                               

                                              Hopefully, you will never get that message and not need any of these remedies.

                                               

                                              ATR

                                              • 23. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                                Chucky-Tiger Level 1

                                                Yet again thanks so much - not a lot of questions as I have been experimenting and looking at the product in light of everybodys comment.

                                                To be quite frank without all the help from everyone here I would have given up! Period.

                                                This stuff makes SAP Financials look like the tooth fairy!

                                                 

                                                I anm staggerred by the "undocumented functionality" that just pressing an icon opens up.

                                                • 24. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                                  Chucky-Tiger Level 1

                                                  I would love a peice of advice.

                                                  In editing the audio say of an interview. My voice is far louder than say someone acroos a wide boardroom table,

                                                  I have experimented by watching the tape and boosting the interviewees voice and muting down mine.

                                                  Not my favourite occupation!

                                                   

                                                  Is it worth getting a RODE Videomic circa £77 - as it has a boom would that help boost their voices in relation to mine or will it just boost both of our voices?

                                                  Would it help reduce editing time  in your opinion?.

                                                   

                                                  Ideally I would rather not buy one but if it helps reduce this time consuming task I would get one.

                                                  Any views advice much appreciated.

                                                  Peter

                                                  • 25. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                                    Chucky-Tiger Level 1

                                                    The video light saga continues - the replacement for the one that has a faulty Reflector bayonet, arrived on Saturday afternoon great customer service from WEX; well packed and a pristine retail box inside. All signs looked great - only to open the undamaged package to find a deep 4 " long dent in the reflector!

                                                     

                                                    As I am undecided as to keep going the Streamlight route or switch to the Hedler DX15 continuous lights, I want to keep the Streamlight perfect in case I want to sell up to fund the migration.  Another horrible task of complaining on Monday morning - nice way to start the week. I just hate having to complain! Uggh.

                                                     

                                                    I end up feeling like the offending party to the transaction!

                                                    And all the inconvenience!

                                                    • 26. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                                      jillbazeley

                                                      Very helpful. Is there a way to change the default values for the clip and crop tools? I need to apply one or the other to hundreds of clips and changing the values each time is becoming a pain. Premiere Elements 10 won't let me select multiple clips and apply a crop all at once unless I'm applying the default values. I'm getting a thin line of distortion across the bottom of some captured DV video and need to crop only that but on every clip.

                                                      • 27. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                                        A.T. Romano Level 7

                                                        jillbazeley

                                                         

                                                        I am not sure what will work with your particular situation, but here are some things to experiment with. Let us see what happens.

                                                         

                                                        Rather than cropping, would a "gentle scale" serve the purpose? You can do a scale of width with height or scale with one or the other by unchecking "Uniform Scale" in version 9.0/9.0.1.

                                                         

                                                        You could crop one and then select that one, Edit Menu/Copy, select the others, and Edit Menu/Paste Attributes (but this will copy all attributes not just the crop.

                                                         

                                                        Once you crop, you can right click the Crop Panel and select copy and apply that to another clip in its Property Palette, but I do not think this is going to be a popular more than one at a time route. I need to experiment with that idea some more.

                                                         

                                                        Please check out the above as I re-think this.

                                                         

                                                        Thanks.

                                                         

                                                        ATR

                                                        • 28. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                                          jillbazeley Level 1

                                                          Thanks very much for your help! The copy/paste attributes method worked perfectly since the crop was the only attribute.

                                                          • 29. Re: Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9
                                                            A.T. Romano Level 7

                                                            jillbazeley

                                                             

                                                            Thanks for that follow up with the good news that copy/paste attributes approach worked for you.

                                                             

                                                            Please do not hesitate to ask if you have any further questions about your Premiere Elements workflows.

                                                             

                                                            ATR