17 Replies Latest reply on Aug 23, 2013 3:32 PM by daveujn

    Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?

    daveujn

      Hi

      Have just finished a project and then decided to create a disc menu to navigate to selected scenes. Burned the disc and found the menu at the end of the disc rather than the beginning. Could anyone inform me how to move it to the begining as I cannot see it anywhere in the timeline.

       

      Many thanks.

        • 1. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
          A.T. Romano Level 7

          Dave,

           

          Not possible. So let us explore what you have that created this. Please excuse if you been there and done this and know this, but I do not want to take anything for granted in this unusual situation.

           

          As I recall, you are working on Premiere Elements 10 Windows. Is that correct?

           

          When you were creating this project and it got time to apply the Disc Menus, did you go to the Disc Menus header and click on it to open the Disc Menus section with its display of disc menu categories and themes?

           

          After you made your category/theme selection, did you drag the theme into the disc menus window to do your disc menu customization, and, when done, clicked Done?

           

          Since you wrote...

          Could anyone inform me how to move it to the begining as I cannot see it anywhere in the timeline.

           

          I would remind you that disc menus appear no where in the project except in the Disc Menus section of the program. The disc menu does not go on the Timeline. The Timeline does however contain the menu markers which link to the disc menu buttons. But, that detail should not have anything to do with DVD menus appearing at the end of the DVD-VIDEO on DVD disc produced from Premiere Elements.

           

          Please review and supply more details so that we can sort out this issue for you.

           

          Follow up is very, very important so looking forward to your reply.

           

          ATR

          • 2. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
            daveujn Level 1

            Hi ATR,

             

            yes I am using elements 10.

             

            Yes I created the disc menu from the disc menu header, and chose from the entertainment header named art in motion.

            I am sure I must have dragged the theme into the main window.

            And yes i created 6 scene markers which were then named and thumbnails changed from my original footage.

             

            Not sure what else I could tell you?

             

            Dave

            • 3. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
              A.T. Romano Level 7

              daveujn

               

              Thanks for the reply. Let us explore further.

               

              You say that the DVD Menu is now at the end of the video. So, you have any AutoPlay of sorts.

               

              When you get to the DVD Menu at the end of playback, can you click on the main menu Play All or Scene Selection button to navigate to the areas of the video on which you placed your menu markers? Or are you just looking at the main menu of the Disc Menu as if it were a title sitting at the end of the video? If you can get into the scene selection page of that DVD menus that you are seeing at the end of the video, can you see your scenes from the video in the thumbnails?

               

              At this point, I would create a new project (mini test run) and take that project content to DVD-VIDEO on DVD disc with menus to see if you can repeat the problem.

               

              WAIT. RECAP TIME. Could I have misinterpreted what you are asking? Let us go through this scenario to rule it in or out. If the following does not apply, then please try doing a new project as suggested above to see if you can repeat the problem.

               

              1. You insert your DVD disc in the player.

              2. Do you then see the disc menu main menu page? If so, read on....

              3. If you select, movie menu's Play Movie, does the movie play from beginning to end and then revert back to the main menu page?

              And, if you select Scene Selection to take you to the Scene Selection page, does the movie play back from scene(s) and at the end reverts to the main menu page?

               

              If that is the case, are you asking how to stop the play back reverting back to the menu menu after playback is completed?

               

              Does any of that apply to your situation?

               

              Again, thanks for following up on the troubleshooting.

               

              ATR

              • 4. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                daveujn Level 1

                Hi ATR

                 

                You understood correctly the first time the disc menu appears at the end of the film NOT at the beginning.

                And yes I can see all thumbnails that I imported, and I can also play any scene that I choose.

                 

                I will now do as you requested and try a mini test.

                 

                Just one question, does it make a difference if you make a disc menu after you have completed your film or do you have to do it at the beginning?

                 

                Dave

                • 5. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                  A.T. Romano Level 7

                  Dave

                   

                  Thanks. Looking forward to your mini test run to see if we can figure out what is going on with that disc menu. I have yet to envision a scenario where the a functioning disc menu shows up only after the play through of the video. Let us see how the mini test run using a new project turns out. I am wondering if there is any sort of setting on the player that is causing your issue.

                   

                  To explore that idea, does the disc menu show up at the beginning or end of the move if you play back the DVD-VIDEO on DVD disc with a computer player versus your TV's DVD player or someone else's TV DVD player.

                   

                  As far as I have ever known, disc menus go at the beginning of the video when they are created in the Disc Menus section of the program. However, since the disc menu buttons work from Timeline markers, you want to complete your Timeline first (including marker placement) and then move on to Disc Menus section for selection and customization of the menus.

                   

                  We will watch for your results.

                   

                  Thanks.

                   

                  ATR

                  • 6. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                    daveujn Level 1

                    ATR

                     

                    Just done a test run with new project and no problem. To add more intrigue to this problem I burned another copy of the original project and menu is now at the beginning.

                    I have no idea why but this dvd is ok !!!!!!!

                    Now have 2 dvd  with 1 menu at the end and another at the beginning.....weird!

                     

                    Dave

                    • 7. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                      A.T. Romano Level 7

                      Dave

                       

                      Great news.

                       

                      Unless you need the disc with the menu at the end for reuse for another project, I would hold on to that disc. I need to think about this some more before thinking about asking you to post a download link to its VIDEO_TS Folder for inspection. I am concerned about your privacy in this regard.

                       

                      But, did you have the time to compare the play back of the "DVD-VIDEO with disc menu at end" on computer player and TV DVD player?

                       

                      The main thing is that your DVD-VIDEO on DVD disc is now presenting the disc menu as expected, first, not at the end of the video.

                       

                      Very pleased with your success.

                       

                      ATR

                      • 8. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                        daveujn Level 1

                        Haven't tried DVD just yet as I am burning further David's but will do as soon as possible and will let you know the result.

                        Many thanks for your input. This forum is invaluable for us just learning.

                         

                        dave.

                        • 9. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                          daveujn Level 1

                          ATR

                           

                          Sorry for the delay but here's the update.

                           

                          The menu is now at the beginning of the discs....but.

                           

                          After the 1st dvd (which was fine except the menu at the end) I altered a couple of scenes in the project and burned a further 2 (for family). I tried various machines and this is the result.

                           

                          On A toshiba dvd: Menu is at beginning, difference being that when you navigate from the main menu window to the scene selection window the screen format seems to reduce to 4:3 ratio instead of being widescreen. Also when you get to the scene selection window the buttons  for navigation do not operate.

                           

                          On a Sony bluray: Menu is at beginning, but again when you navigate from the main menu window (16:9) to the scene selection window the screen ratio reduces to 4:3.

                          But in this case the buttons for the scene selection window do operate.

                           

                          On a windows pc/and Mac.

                          Same as the sony bluray.

                           

                          On the bluray, pc and mac because the scene selection window reduces ratio size it causes the selector tab to not be at the side of the scenes when you want to choose them but to overlap onto the thumbnails.

                           

                          I did another mini test and the scene selection window remained at the correct widescreen ratio.

                           

                          The one problem that is consistent throughout is that when trying to navigate the menu the scene selection/menu buttons do not all show up or are offset to the scene you want

                           

                          Hope this is not to long winded but wanted to give you the full picture.

                           

                          Dave

                           

                           



                          • 10. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                            A.T. Romano Level 7

                            Dave,

                             

                            Thanks for the additional information very interesting and helpful.

                             

                            Just wanted to confirm..some details specific to the information just posted

                             

                            a. You are working on Premiere Elements 10 Windows

                             

                            b. What is the project preset that you set for the project?

                             

                            b. Your disc menu is Art In Motion, and you are just using 6 scene markers

                             

                            I will take another look at this with my Premiere Elements 10, varying some conditions.

                             

                            Thanks again.

                             

                            ATR

                            • 11. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                              daveujn Level 1

                              ATR

                               

                              In answer to your questions.

                               

                              a. Yes it is Premiere elements 10 (on mac)

                               

                              b. Not sure what you mean by project preset.

                               

                              c. Disc menu is indeed Art in motion with 6 presets.

                               

                              Regards

                               

                              Dave.

                              • 12. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                                A.T. Romano Level 7

                                Dave

                                 

                                With regard to your follow up "Not sure what you mean by project preset"....

                                 

                                For each new project, you are faced with the new project dialog where you make sure selection of project preset. If you do nothing, then, for versions earlier than 11, you get the default  which is NTSC DV Standard or PAL DV Standard depending on how you set up the program at installation.

                                 

                                The project preset directs the program to set up the correct space in the Edit Mode monitor to be appropriate for the properties of the source media. But, the project preset has additional (less obvious) functions, one of them being directing the program as to what set of disc menus to display...either for standard, widescreen, or high definition.

                                 

                                Please remind me if you are in a NTSC or PAL setup.

                                 

                                I will do some expermenting on your latest observations later today.

                                 

                                Thanks.

                                 

                                ATR

                                • 13. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                                  daveujn Level 1

                                  ATR

                                   

                                  I guess It must the default setting as I do not select any project presets prior to starting a project.

                                  I am also working in PAL format.

                                  Hope My answers to your questions are not to vague as I am fairly new to this process.

                                   

                                  Dave

                                  • 14. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                                    A.T. Romano Level 7

                                    Dave,

                                     

                                    We all learn in these discussions. You are making great progress.

                                     

                                    But, setting up the project is an important and first step to getting to a successful project result.

                                     

                                    When you open Premiere Elements 10 Mac, you should be greeted by the new project dialog. That is the place for you to make sure that what is set there matches the properties of what you are about to import into the project. If you do nothing and just OK by it, you will be left with the default which would be, in your case, PAL DV Standard (720 x 576 pixels 4:3). A major role for that project preset is directing the program to set up a space in the Edit Mode Monitor that agrees with the properties of your source files. It has other more subtle effects on project settings, including directing the program as to which disc menus to offer you.

                                     

                                    If you are having problems in this regard, we can discuss this further and with specific details to what you have for source media and your export goals.

                                     

                                    Thanks for the updates.

                                     

                                    ATR

                                    • 15. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                                      daveujn Level 1

                                      ATR,

                                       

                                      Sorry to ask as I don't want to get off of the original topic, but if it is in the default setting of PAL 4:3 then why would my earlier projects be in 16:9.Does that also mean that my HD footage is in standard def. Also how do I Check the settings.

                                       

                                      Dave

                                      • 16. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                                        A.T. Romano Level 7

                                        Dave,

                                         

                                        The answer is in the export settings which define the export.

                                         

                                        Any black borders or distortions in the end product?

                                         

                                        To find what project settings you set for a project...open the saved project and check out Edit Menu/Project Settings/General and see what it says for Editing Mode, Timebase, and Frame size. If any problem figuring out the project preset from that, I can help you with that.

                                         

                                        More later.

                                         

                                        ATR

                                        • 17. Re: Why has disc menu appeared at the end of dvd?
                                          daveujn Level 1

                                          ATR

                                           

                                          Thanks, I will look at that also. As for black borders in projects, I have not experienced any until now.

                                           

                                          Dave