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    Imposed PDF with InDesign CC

    edcushwake Level 1

      Hi there. Im using InDesign CC on Mac OS 10.8.4.

      I'm trying to do something pretty simple, create an imposed pdf using the "Print Booklet" option. Before in InDesign CS6, i would:

      1. Go to File >Print Booklet

      2. Click on "Print Settings"

      3. Adobe PDF would have been selected as the default printer

      4. I would add cropmarks and bleed

      5. hit ok

      6. Select "Preview" to confirm everything looks good to go and hit print.

       

      now, the tricky part in InDesign CC is step 3, since apparently some technical changes to Mac OS since version 10.6, don't allow Adobe PDF printers to be created. My Question is how do i create an imposed pdf to send to the press? Thanks a lot for your help.

        • 1. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
          Was DYP Level 3

          Write Postscript file from printer dialog and then distill to PDF with Adobe Distiller. Distiller is found in the Acrobat folder.

          • 2. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
            Dov Isaacs Adobe Employee

            At Adobe, we would most strongly recommend that you don't use the internal Print Booklet facility at all. Why? Creating PDF in that manner (including the suggestion of “Was DYP”) results in a very poor quality PDF file with no color management and flattened transparency.

             

            The correct way to deal with making booklets or imposition in general is to directly export PDF from InDesign in logical page number order, preferably using the PDF/X-4 settings with any necessary bleed areas specified.

             

            For commercial printing, it is the responsibility of the print service provider to do the imposition of the PDF file in a manner appropriate for the printed piece and for the equipment being used. (For example, often it is much more economical to print multiple pages and spreads per single sheet, requiring more complex imposition that would ever be possible with InDesign's Print Booklet facility!) That is part of the service that you should expect from your print service provider!!!

             

            For your own personal printing on a less sophisticated laser or inkjet printer, for example, you have other choices. For simple booklet printing, let's say two 8.5"x11" pages on an 11"x17" sheet or even two 5.5"x8.5" pages on an 8.5"x11" sheet, you can accomplish this via the booklet printing capability in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat print dialogue. Works perfectly and costs you nothing extra. If you need more complex imposition, there are a number of third party Acrobat plug-ins that do a very professional job of imposition while maintaining color management, live transparency, and even the PDF file's PDF/X status. One such set of Acrobat plug-in products are Quite Imposing and Quite Imposting Plus (available for both MacOS and Windows) from Quite Software http://www.quite.com. Another similar product is PDF Snake (Windows only) available from http://www.pdfsnake.com.

             

                      - Dov

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            • 3. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
              Alikline Level 1

              I'm very upset that this feature is no longer available to me in InDesin CC. The licenses for the two pieces of software that you mention above are upwards of $300. When you consider the new 'subscription' plan we users are basically forces into, I find the need to pay so much extra for a function that was included in previous versions is ridiculous. It worked then. How much programming effrot would it really take to make it work now.

               

              I'm not printing through a commercial vendor, rather an on-site copy center that has no pagination capabilites and requires a print-ready pdf. Now I'm on my own for paginating a 100+ page document into printers spreads. What once took the time for the print queue to process will now waste a lot of my valuable time.

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              • 5. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                Alikline Level 1

                Thank you Peter. $19.95 is so much more reasonable. I'll check it out!

                • 6. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                  jmcullinan Level 1

                  This is absurd. How hard can it be to add imposition to the export to PDF functions? This is an essential function for anyone dealing with _normal_ printing services, or creating documents inhouse. And if it's not available for InDesign, then why not with Acrobat? I've been wrestling with this all morning, not for the first time, and I'm ready to chuck the whole Creative Cloud concept out the window and go back to older versions that would actually do what I needed them to do.

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                  • 7. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                    Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    You're speaking to the wrong audience. If you would like the feature added to either InDesign or Acrobat, file a feature request that the product managers will see. We're just users here:

                     

                    Adobe - Feature Request/Bug Report Form

                    • 8. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                      jmcullinan Level 1

                      I replied to a STAFF post. And I've already done a feature request, with no response.

                      • 9. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                        Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        You'll never get a reply from a feature request. Each product manager considers what features to add from the hundreds and thousands of requests made.

                        • 10. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                          jmcullinan Level 1

                          You are singularly unhelpful.

                          • 11. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                            Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                            I'm just a user like you. I'd personally buy the $19.95 product mentioned in post #4 above.

                            • 12. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                              John Mensinger Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              jmcullinan wrote:

                               

                              And if it's not available for InDesign, then why not with Acrobat?

                               

                              But it is a feature of Acrobat.

                              • 13. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                jmcullinan Level 1

                                You can PRINT a booklet, like you can in InDesign, but you can't SAVE a PDF version because you can't print to PDF in Acrobat, and there's no option to impose pages and save that to PDF either. Unless you have a workaround?

                                 

                                What I need is an easy way to create a print-ready booklet PDF with imposed pages. Currently I have to buy additional software, impose it manually in InDesign, or go through a postscript file, losing a lot of control over output quality and other options. It would be easiest if the export to PDF function included booklet options.

                                • 14. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                  John Mensinger Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                  You can print to PDF.

                                   

                                  In Windows, the Acrobat Pro installation includes an Adobe PDF print driver.

                                   

                                  On a Mac, if I'm not mistaken, you can have essentailly the same thing, although I believe you have to go get it.

                                  jmcullinan wrote:

                                   

                                  What I need is an easy way to create a print-ready booklet PDF with imposed pages.

                                  Why?

                                  • 15. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                    jmcullinan Level 1

                                    Why? Because that is what my clients require.

                                     

                                    And that print driver sends everything through postscript, which then has to be converted, and loses all quality control in the output, as I said above. And it doesn't work at all in Acrobat.

                                    • 16. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                      John Mensinger Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                      Okay, while I work on both platforms, admittedly, all my print-to-pdf workflow happens in Windows, which doesn't present any of those pitfalls.

                                       

                                      How big are these documents? I know you said you need an easy way, but if I had clients demanding imposed PDF, (I'd have to ask them 'why?' too), and had no other solutions, I'd consider adding more time to the quote and imposing manually. It isn't that hard to do.

                                      • 17. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                        Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                        John Mensinger wrote:

                                         

                                        It isn't that hard to do.

                                        Especially if you use a script, or the inexpensive IDimposer plugin.

                                        • 18. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                          Igor.Freiberger Level 1

                                          I'm a bit surprised with the information posted here. Firstly, some corrections:

                                           

                                          Answer #03: The absence of PDF virtual printer is a Mac OS issue that made Adobe remove this feature since Acrobat X. So, it is not an ID failure.

                                           

                                          Answer #05: The feature still works, see bellow.

                                           

                                          Answer #12: This is wrong. Acrobat does not do page imposition.

                                           

                                          Answer #14: The link points to a PS driver from 1998. Unusable for OS 10.x.

                                           

                                          And, more relevant, the solution. It is still perfectly possible to generate PDF files from the Print Booklet command in OS 10.8.x and 10.9.x. Here is how:

                                           

                                          1. In ID, go to File > Print Presets and define a new one using the PostScript file as printer and the Generic PostScript as PPD.

                                           

                                          2. Adjust the print options accordingly to your needs and save.

                                           

                                          3. Go to File > Print Booklet. Chose your new print preset from the Configure drop-down list.

                                           

                                          4. Adjust the settings of the booklet and print. InDesign will generate a .ps file.

                                           

                                          5. Open this file using Mac Preview and export it as PDF.

                                           

                                          As you see, there is no need to have Acrobat or any other app/plug-in in your Mac to get the PDF output. If you have Creative Cloud or Acrobat Pro, you also have access to Distiller and can adjust several options to convert .ps to PDF.

                                           

                                          Actually, it is also possible to get the same result just editing the printer settings instead of creating a print preset. But to use presets is a good practice: it saves you time and makes easier to re-use the same definitions in future jobs.

                                           

                                          Anyway, this path implies some limitations: the Generic PostScript PPD does work with just a set of predefined paper sizes and uses only PostScript Level 2. But If you need other paper sizes, there is also a solution with no additional cost: CUPS-PDF, a virtual printer available to OS 10.x.

                                           

                                          1. Verify instructions, download, and install CUPS-PDF.

                                           

                                          2. Add CUPS-PDF as a printer. You can change its name.

                                           

                                          3. Create a new print preset in ID using this virtual printer.

                                           

                                          4. When editing the print preset, go to Configuration section > Configure page.

                                           

                                          5. Choose Manage custom sizes and then insert the measures you work with.

                                           

                                          6. Follow the 3-4 steps of the first sequence above. The difference: CUPS-PDF always save files in /users/shared/ folder and generates PDF output directly.

                                           

                                          Please note that this solution also faces limitations, as no way to define the PS level.

                                           

                                          Regarding the quality problems that Dov Isaacs did mention, I believe this is an issue when printing colorful, high-quality stuff. For most books, ordinary reports or more modest publications the Print Booklet output works quite well. And note that, to some degree, user can control Isaacs' issues through color correction and transparencies options. In other hand, I think it is a shame to hear Adobe saying not to use a tool they are selling and promoting,

                                           

                                          If you need more features and high-end imposing, also consider Imposing plug-in for InDesign or Croptima InPlate. Although more expensive than IDImposer, both seems more powerful and polished.

                                           

                                          Other possibilities:

                                           

                                          For very simple imposition jobs, there is the free Imposition Studio in App Store. You create a regular PDF in InDesign and manage it with this app.

                                           

                                          For professional results but still in an affordable range, there is PDF Clerk Pro, an app to edit and impose PDFs with tons of resources. The same developer have other tools available. I use PDF Clerk and can assure its quality, although you need to get familiar with not-so-obvious controls to achieve optimal results.

                                           

                                          Igor Freiberger

                                          Porto Alegre, Brazil

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                                          • 19. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                            Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                            Igor.Freiberger wrote:

                                             

                                            And, more relevant, the solution. It is still perfectly possible to generate PDF files from the Print Booklet command in OS 10.8.x and 10.9.x. Here is how:

                                             

                                            1. In ID, go to File > Print Presets and define a new one using the PostScript file as printer and the Generic PostScript as PPD.

                                             

                                            Much better to find and install the ADPDF9.ppd file (which should be in the archive at http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=141, among other places) and use that, rather than the generic postscript.

                                            • 20. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                              Igor.Freiberger Level 1

                                              Yes, adding the Adobe PDF 9.0 PPD makes possible to choose paper sizes. But I am unsure about the quality one can get with a PPD from 2002 which Adobe decided not to include in their recent releases. Maybe it has some issues with OS X.

                                               

                                              To add this PPD, please follow the steps described in this thread. Although the procedure is simple, it is not obvious.

                                              • 21. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                PPD only defines selecatble options and has noting to do with the quality of the print. Age is irrelvant.

                                                • 22. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                  Igor.Freiberger Level 1

                                                  It may enable options not fully compatible with the PS/PDF schema on OS X when some elements are used (as effects or transparencies).

                                                   

                                                  An official statement from Adobe on this would be useful. Do you know if they explained why this PPD was removed?

                                                  • 23. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                    Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                    Just a guess, but I would say since they no longer provide the virtual printer there's neither a need nor a place to include it.

                                                    • 24. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                      g234joseph Level 1

                                                      There a many reasons why the print menus are helpful with creating pdfs. I can not begin to argue all of the valuable reasons it as a good thing to be able to print a pdf rather than export a pdf. There is an easy argument or a workaround for every problem I can think of--- that does not excuse in any way Adobe's rresponsibility to their client base.The page size issue. or if  there are tab pages in a document that need extra bleed, or if there are any needs to edit an imposed pdf for many reasons an inexperienced printer may not be able to wrap their mind around. By eliminating existing tool that were once available, Adobe is beginning to remind me of the reasons I completely turned my back on the Quark Express Dinosaur train after the introduction of Mac OSX and indesigns blossoming from Pagefaker  early in the millennium.

                                                      Adobe needs to realize that some printers are also creative artist and that by eliminating tools as they chose, Adobe is eroding tools from an arsenal  that has made Adobe the choice of almost all creative digital artists in the world today

                                                      • 25. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                        BobLevine MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                                                        g234joseph wrote:

                                                         

                                                        There a many reasons why the print menus are helpful with creating pdfs.

                                                         

                                                        Then you need to make a strong case for it and file it as a feature request. But in the meantime, I'd be curious to hear those many reasons.

                                                        • 26. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                          asonl4470884 Level 1

                                                          I been using OS X EI Capitan-version 10.11.1 with Indesign CC 2015 & Acrobat Pro DC.

                                                          I try the way you guy given, but can't print using Acrobat PPD..

                                                          Is there any other way? Thanks.

                                                          • 27. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                            scott olling Level 1

                                                            I am trying to make imposed PS from InDesign and keep getting a paper position fail. The file is generated, but the paper is either the wrong size or the wrong orientation.

                                                             

                                                            I'm trying to use 12x18 as a sheet size. Any help would be appreciated - however, I note that this appears to be a dead issue, with Adobe dropping the question and Apple complicit.

                                                             

                                                            As a general criticism, Adobe seems to be going in retrograde on their Print dialog capabilities as well as on their manipulation of PS. Oh well, as my students used to say, there's still time to sign up for Cosmetology.

                                                            • 28. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                              rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                              The Acrobat PPD still works with ID 2015 and El Cap. Here I've set the paper size to a custom 20"x15" for a letter sized imposition. If you have blank pages you must check Print Blank pages or the imposition will break:

                                                               

                                                              Screen Shot 2016-04-06 at 1.26.27 PM.png

                                                               

                                                              Here's a link to the PPD (this has it in a zip archive) the folder is case sensitive

                                                              Unzip the archive and copy to /Applications/Adobe InDesign CC 2015/Presets/PPDs

                                                               

                                                              Adobe PDF 9.0 PPD

                                                              • 29. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                                rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                As a general criticism, Adobe seems to be going in retrograde on their Print dialog capabilities as well as on their manipulation of PS.

                                                                I can think of a number of formats and features that are basically dead but Adobe keeps so older workflows don't completely break. Not much has changed with distilling .ps other than it is discouraged and for good reason. The AcrobatPPD still works you just have to install it. It's like EPS or DCS 1.0! or Photoshop's Custom CMYK—if you really want or have to use those formats and features you can, but they are never going to be a best practice again.

                                                                • 30. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                                  scott olling Level 1

                                                                  Appreciate your response. Maybe I should learn some best practices again again. I realize that most of my petulance comes from having a need that I can't figure out on my own, and arriving en Forum emotionally loaded … thanks again for your efforts

                                                                  • 31. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                                    kellip16335071 Level 1

                                                                    Thank you rob day for saving the DAY here!!! I have a client whose print vendor INSISTS on the imposed PDFs from InDesign. I've been tearing my hair out trying to figure out how to get it to work properly. The Acrobat 9 PPD did the trick. I'm aware that it's not the recommended way to send PDFs to a printer, but I can at least give them what they are asking for. I just send it along with the caveat that it's recommended to have the printer do the impositions and that I can provide the PDF as single pages if requested.

                                                                     

                                                                    THANK YOU again!!!!!

                                                                    • 32. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                                      rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                      If you don't want to run your pages through postscript there are imposition scripts out there. If you are on OSX you can try this AppleScript. It exports pages to simple 2-up saddle stitch impositions with an allowance for creep. It doesn't alter the original layout in anyway. There is a test file included in the zip folder. Make sure you check the results carefully before using it in production.

                                                                       

                                                                      http://www.zenodesign.com/forum/ImpositionAS.zip

                                                                      • 33. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                                        johnf7408886 Level 1

                                                                        Why is this not the selected answer for this thread? This answer is exactly how to solve the problem(s) listed in a sea of disinformation. Thank you. edcushwake this is the answer, and apparently people need to see it (21609 Views). If you think this is helpful, please select Igor's answer which is a much better solution that installing a PPD from 2002.

                                                                        • 34. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                                          Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                                          The reason Igor's answer is not correct is that it uses the Generic Postscript PPD instead of the Acrobat PPD which  is written for creating PDFs, not for printing to a physical printer.

                                                                          • 35. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                                            rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                            And as Dov mentions and also John's #12, Acrobat does has a similar Booklet feature for simple impositions and it probably will work better with most print drivers than ID's Print Booklet.

                                                                             

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                                                                            • 36. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                                              johnf7408886 Level 1

                                                                              So 3rd party imposition scripts are the correct answer? Otherwise it seems like ID got nerfed considering a deprecated, unsupported PDD from 2002 and several versions ago is the right way.

                                                                              • 37. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                                                BobLevine MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                                                                                The real right way is to let a qualified printer handle it. Otherwise, yes, a third party application would be a far superior solution.

                                                                                • 38. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                                                  Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                                                  Just because a PPD is old doesn't mean it suddenly becomes useless or incompatible. PPD is a description of what a device can do, and I'd be hard pressed to find any new or removed features for Print-flavored PDF that would render the description invalid.

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Imposed PDF with InDesign CC
                                                                                    rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                                    unsupported PDD from 2002 and several versions ago is the right way.

                                                                                    The Adobe PDF 9.0 PPD is still supported—there's nothing to upgrade. The potential problems with transparency flattening and color management are in the .ps to PDF conversion so there's nothing a PPD upgrade could do to change that.

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