22 Replies Latest reply on Oct 2, 2016 7:48 AM by Bob Howes

    MIDI

    ngp311

      Will MIDI be comming back to Audition?

        • 1. Re: MIDI
          SteveG(AudioMasters) Level 6

          Why should it? It's not much use in radio production or film editing, is it? Audition isn't music creation software, so it doesn't need it. If you want to do that, try Reaper.

          • 2. Re: MIDI
            ngp311 Level 1

            Audition use to be for MIDI music too in ver. Auditon 3.

             

            Now, I use it to do radio broadcasting. But the opption would alow me and others to do more.

             

            For me the MIDI can be the same as Audition 3.

             

            Who wants to keep bouncing between DAW to finish one project. If you know the in's and out's of a Audio DAW (Audition) wouldn't you like to keep working in it to do all of your projects.

             

            The answer is YES for me.

             

            If you start in the best you want to finish in the best.

            • 3. Re: MIDI
              Kost7 Level 1

              ngp311 wrote:

               

              Who wants to keep bouncing between DAW to finish one project. If you know the in's and out's of a Audio DAW (Audition) wouldn't you like to keep working in it to do all of your projects.

               

              Good point

               

               

              ngp311 wrote:

               

               

              If you start in the best you want to finish in the best.

              Even better point

              • 4. Re: MIDI
                ryclark Level 6

                Other software companies have been doing MIDI for a lot longer than Adobe who only dipped their toes in the market with AA3. hence if they were to try and produce the best in MIDI as well as audio then they have a lot of expensive catching up to do. Do you want to pay a lot more for Audition than you do already?

                 

                What would be easier for those needing it it be hooks in Audition that can use Rewire to capture the audio from MIDI DAWs.

                • 5. Re: MIDI
                  SteveG(AudioMasters) Level 6

                  ryclark wrote:

                   

                  What would be easier for those needing it it be hooks in Audition that can use Rewire to capture the audio from MIDI DAWs.

                  Much more sensible idea.

                   

                  ngp311 wrote:

                   

                  Who wants to keep bouncing between DAW to finish one project. If you know the in's and out's of a Audio DAW (Audition) wouldn't you like to keep working in it to do all of your projects.

                  You don't have to with Reaper. You do all of your creation in it, and transfer it to Audition for mixing. Loads of people do this - it's not a problem. Audition is far from ideal as a music creation tool - it lacks most of the other facilities that music creation software has. And therefore, it's nowhere near the best to start with for this - by common consent.

                   

                  Is it really so difficult to learn to use more than one bit of software?

                  • 6. Re: MIDI
                    ngp311 Level 1

                    No,

                     

                    It has never been a problem learning another DAW. But of all the DAW that I have used Audition's way of handling audio is second to none. Especially for broadcast use.

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                    I have used PT, Sonar, cubias, studio 1 and (reaper). None can give me the speed and flexibility that Audition has for editing.

                     

                    OH, and if you remember, they bought this DAW (Cool Edit Pro) and made it their own. And they put MIDI on it. So to catch-up shouldn't be a major feat or cost.

                    I'm not asking them to make it full blown with MIDI instruments and fx. Just the version 3 option and we can use te 3 party instruments we have.

                     

                    And, Rewire to another DAW. I would like to see that too. But, I still like to have the all-in-one to handle my MIDI gear.

                     

                     

                    SteveG(AudioMasters) wrote:

                    You don't have to with Reaper. You do all of your creation in it, and (transfer it to Audition) for mixing.

                     

                     

                    This methods would be taking use back to the day when we had to sync Logic to Pro tools because they didn't have MIDI and then use Rewire or outboard gear to rout the sound back into the preferred DAW of choice.

                     

                    No, I done that for 4 years. We have come far pass those days.

                    • 7. Re: MIDI
                      SteveG(AudioMasters) Level 6

                      ngp311 wrote:

                       

                       

                      I have used PT, Sonar, cubias, studio 1 and (reaper). None can give me the speed and flexibility that Audition has for editing.

                      And that's the way it was always intended to be since it was rebuilt - Audition is an editor, not a music composition program. Adding anything else is cluttering it up.

                       

                      This has been argued through countless times, and it won't get you anywhere. Audition has moved on into areas that Adobe is happier with (mainly video-based) and ditched the things in which it would always be playing catch-up. Rewire is the most you could reasonably hope for here, I suspect - and don't hold your breath waiting for that, either.

                      • 8. Re: MIDI
                        Kost7 Level 1

                        I also would like to hear from developers about  future of ReWire or MMC or some kind of MIDI support in Audition? Thank you.

                        • 9. Re: MIDI
                          motiongraphfx

                          I would like to see this also I use a midi with vst instruments to add fills and foley to not only PPro but for music compositions as well. Currently I have to go back and forth between pro crash tools and audition I would really like to see this end and just stay in adobe products. I finally was able to remove avid MC from my computer with CS 5, and was so thrilled to see it *avid* go out the door. Looking fcrward to the day pro crash leaves the studio as well.

                          • 10. Re: MIDI
                            ryclark Level 6

                            There are plenty of other really good MIDI DAWs out there without having to go anywhere near pro crash tools (now with offline bounce).

                            • 11. Re: MIDI
                              _durin_ Adobe Employee

                              There are no plans at this time to implement a full MIDI / VSTi solution in Audition.  Among the other reasons cited above and elsewhere, this is simply not a core competency of the team and though it feels like this is a big request based on this forum, our research just doesn't support the investment needed for a full, proper implementation.  There are existing, amazing sequence and composition applications out there, and Audition works great to support those applications by crafting and editing samples, recording live instrumentation, and mixing and mastering productions.  No application that tries to be everything to everyone succeeds at making very many people happy.  Swiss Army Knives are great fun, but they're never as good at cutting, whittling, unscrewing, uncorking, or scissoring anything as dedicated knives, screwdrivers, corkscrews, and scissors.

                               

                              I obviously won't say it will NEVER happen, and there may be a compelling argument to justify the investment of time and money necessary to build such an environment in the future.  At the moment, I would prefer to have Audition play nicer with those other applications and support the communication protocols that currently exist for interoperation.

                               

                              I will add a link to this thread to the MIDI feature in our database, though.  It's good to revisit items often and keep priorities fresh.

                              • 12. Re: MIDI
                                motiongraphfx Level 1

                                ok I understand that part I surely do. Thanks for letting us know and we will keep hoping it will appear, I cant help but be a Adobe fan, and have been for years. I am absolutely sure I will be in the future as well. Thanks for all the hard work you all do everyday.

                                • 13. Re: MIDI
                                  motiongraphfx Level 1

                                  I am looking into Ableton live, seems to work pretty good.

                                  • 14. Re: MIDI
                                    Kost7 Level 1

                                    Thank you for answering. Got it. I guess the same point of view goes to ReWire, does it?

                                    • 15. Re: MIDI
                                      motiongraphfx Level 1

                                      I am looking into rewire, you know that just might work really well, I just never really thought about it, guess I was just used to my roundabout workflow lol. Looking into the tutorials on rewire, and I must say it appears to fit the bill quite nicely. Thanks for the heads up on this. I will let you know how it works.

                                      • 16. Re: MIDI
                                        ngp311 Level 1

                                        I truely want to thank you for the insite to the MIDI wants and needs.

                                         

                                        Question? 

                                         

                                        If Adobe have the program codes form the version 3 MIDI. Would it be so hard to put it with the next ver comming out. or make an open sorce version for people to develop it for you?

                                        I'm really stretching now on the open sorce, but we need to dream.

                                         

                                        Now I just started with the ReWire in PT. And Yes, it's cool but It crashes. this I have no time for.

                                         

                                        So I whent back to ver 3 But really miss the time stretch in the ver 6 and cc. Just have alot of out board gear.

                                         

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                                        • 17. Re: MIDI
                                          Bob Howes Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                          Durin and the developers can answer better than me but I suspect it wouldn't be possible to use the AA3.0 MIDI implementation in Audition CC.  Between 3.0 and CS5.5, Audition was re-written from the ground up so it could be compatible with both Windows and Mac OS systems--I believe the code is very different.

                                           

                                          Darn Mac users! 

                                          • 18. Re: MIDI
                                            lt_rafa

                                            midi anytime soon?

                                            • 19. Re: MIDI
                                              ryclark Level 6

                                              I don't think so.

                                              • 20. Re: MIDI
                                                SteveG(AudioMasters) Level 6

                                                lt_rafa wrote:

                                                 

                                                midi anytime soon?

                                                Durin has replied to this again more recently, but the answer hasn't changed - it's not a priority. There are a couple of other threads recently where we've looked at some of the reasons that this might be, and most of them relate to the composition of Audition's actual user-base - which is primarily people working with visuals, although there are still a lot of radio users. Putting in a vote for MIDI is all very well, but you are up against corporate users with thousands of seats, and if they say that they don't want or need MIDI but they do want feature 'X', then it's feature 'X' that gets worked on, as they've outvoted you 1000+:1. And no, I'm not exaggerating with the numbers, either.

                                                • 21. Re: MIDI
                                                  DiogoAlmeida97

                                                  Now this is taking way too long!

                                                  Just give us MIDI support please. You don't even have to give us instruments, we'll bring our own 3rd party ones.

                                                  I tired of having to use a diferent DAW for music production and another one for Filmmaking!

                                                  • 22. Re: MIDI
                                                    Bob Howes Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                    As you can probably see if you read through the entire thread, this is a request that generates strong opinion, both pro and con.  The Adobe development team will have to provide an official update but I've not heard of any change to the previous response.

                                                     

                                                    Although I don't do music composition myself, I've gradually become a convert to the need for some form of MIDI, if only rewire.  I'm using MIDI (via Ableton in my case) for lots of special effects in the production proces.

                                                     

                                                    My one suggestion would be to go to the Feature Request page and make your comment official.