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    Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?

    kinkersnick127 Level 1

      Hi,

       

      I'm creating closed caption in Premiere Pro CC and wondering if it's possible to change the font/tracking/leading etc.?

       

      The font, spacing between letters and words and just general style of the default captions is awful!

       

      Do closed caption files imported into Premiere suffer from the same problem?

       

      As a side question, is there a good way of creating subtitles on the Mac, that is free and easy?

       

      Thanks

        • 1. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
          Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          No idea, I think you are stuck to one font for the time being.

          http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

          • 2. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
            Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

            kinkersnick127 wrote:

             

            Hi,

             

            I'm creating closed caption in Premiere Pro CC and wondering if it's possible to change the font/tracking/leading etc.?

             

            The font, spacing between letters and words and just general style of the default captions is awful!

             

            Hi kinkersnick127,

            No, you can't change the font or anything about the format of the text. Only the color.

             

            kinkersnick127 wrote:

             

            Do closed caption files imported into Premiere suffer from the same problem?

             

            That text style is the norm for closed captions. You can't change it.

             

            kinkersnick127 wrote:

             

            As a side question, is there a good way of creating subtitles on the Mac, that is free and easy?

             

            I don't believe there are any good free tools, but some offer a free trial. Once you get your captions done, you can edit them from scratch.

             

            Thanks,
            Kevin

            • 3. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
              Dennis de Pijper Level 1

              Is there any chance we are getting font controls with the closed captions tool anytime soon?
              It would make working with subtitles a lot easier.

               

              Many Thanks

               

              Dennis

              • 4. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                Hi Dennis,

                Use the Titler for subtitles, not closed captions. What you wish to do is different.

                 

                Thanks,

                Kevin

                • 5. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                  Magnus Allgurén Level 2

                  Dennis,

                  I work as a freelance editor for a museum. I do a lot of subtitling in different languages. If you are doing the same, you may want to look into a plugin called EZ Titles, made for displaying subtitles in Premiere Pro as one continuous video clip. It's not for free but may be worth it. To create/edit the subtitle scripts I use a freeware program called Subtitle Workshop, which can save subtitles in a multitude of formats.

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                  • 6. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                    Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                    Thanks for your comment, Magnus!

                    • 7. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                      Dennis de Pijper Level 1

                      Thank you very much Magnus, will try it out soon!

                      • 8. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                        Amit Makan Level 1

                        I am experiencing similar challenges and criticisms for a multilingual documentary film, using the closed caption tool. Almost everyone who looks at the final cut says they find difficulty reading the subtitles due to the font, and spacing in between the letters. Sincerely hope some font options will come soon in order to avoid switching back to FCP. Thanks

                        • 9. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                          381968 Level 1

                          Calling the default style of the captions "awful" is being kind.  Who in hell would make this choice?

                          • 10. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                            Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                            Hi 381968,

                            If you wish to create closed captions with different fonts, you need a dedicated Closed Caption program like this. Premiere Pro should really only be used to edit closed captions, not create them.

                             

                            Are you sure you want to create captions or do you want to create subtitles? Two different things with the latter designed in the Title tool.

                             

                            Thanks,
                            Kevin

                            • 11. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                              381968 Level 1

                              Not interested in subtitles.  Just feel the default captioning font in Premiere Pro is not the most readable choice. The choice baffles me.

                              • 12. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                Hi 381968,

                                There aren't many choices on fonts as far as closed captions go. Sorry.

                                 

                                Thanks,

                                Kevin

                                • 13. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                  Johnny_Zet Level 1

                                  Hi all,

                                  have the same feeling as others. How one of the leading producers of film software
                                  could do such a poor solution. It is really a poor solution, that first of all, you really have to struggle with limited formats being readable by Premiere (e.g. .srt that is one of the most popular format!),
                                  secondly, editing the captions is like someone made this function between lunch and smoking. On top of it all, the final look of the subtitles looks like notepad from windows, modest, poor and unreadable text.

                                  And I am not talking about titler and colorful fonts that are needed. Any cheap subtitles merging soft have better solutions reg, increasing font size, encoding etc.

                                   

                                  Now i have an issue with Chinese text, that is not visible at all...

                                  i am a bit tired of the fact, that there always is something missing, that must be ptached, or you have to surft to read about others complaining and hope for a solution using 3 external software.
                                  It really is a poor, disappointing finish, as for a leading company producing film editing software, sorry to be so honest.

                                  • 14. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                    Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                    Johnny,

                                    • As I said, there is an extremely limited number of fonts available for closed captions. It's not like any font can be chosen.
                                    • Premiere Pro is not an application for creating closed captions, it is more suitable for editing existing captions. File a bug report if you are having trouble with the editing process.
                                    • You mention subtitles. What I am speaking of is closed captioning for folks that have hearing disabilities. Subtitling is a totally different thing.

                                     

                                    If you are having trouble with foreign language text, then that is a totally different issue. Create a separate post describing your issues.

                                     

                                    Thanks,
                                    Kevin

                                    • 15. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                      marchofer Level 1

                                      1. Well the closed caption text is just text. How it is displayed in the final "viewer" depends entirely on the viewer and the settings you make there (or the file format you are using for the CC's has the meta data section to define formatting of the text in its standard ). BUT…Premiere Pro SHOULD let us editors CHOOSE how we want to preview the captions IN the program monitor i.e. Just to make it easier for us to read and work with them, without having to have 3x3 meter TV connected to it. So, THAT is from a editors point of view. Even if the CC file in the end doesn't have any format infos, so let me at least choose INSIDE Premiere for internal use.

                                       

                                      2. Premiere Pro is not an application for creating closed captions: That might have been not the core intention of the developers back in the days, but seriously, CC belong nowadays in the intl market to the core functionalities of a NLE Suite. And honestly, all the tech is already there, its just not thought about and a little bit shoddily implemented. But as soon as PP can show me the text in the Monitor, technically I should be able to change the font, size etc. Actually, I should EVEN be able to Hardcode them into the vid file, cause the renderer OBVIOUSLY has access to the data and can render it ( cause it shows it to me in the program window !? ).

                                       

                                      3. Subtitles and Captions are different things: Well maybe in the textbook they are. But in a real production environment, they are not always totally different. Why not giving me the options of DOING both. The data is there, who it is in the end worked with ( sidecar, hardcode ) all depends on the different case. If I want to make a caption for people with bad hearing, GREAT…I write down all the stuff but maybe also let me use the same data for a subtitle track ( which honestly is kinda the same ). Preaching up and down that CC's and Subtiltles are completely different things, are somehow is neglecting production reality. To do subtitles with the Title tool is just cumbersome.

                                       

                                      Titles are just not really helpful for complex subtitle projects. Period. If I have to subtitle a 30 mins feature etc. then I'd rather go with a separate ST tool which is sleak and fast. But I also want to be able to import a STL, SRT or whatever file and work with it right in the NLE. Preferably I would not even want to use a 3rd party tool. Let it all be done in PP. Make it simple.

                                       

                                      Yes, I already put in a Feature request.

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                                      • 16. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                        Michal Kuleba Level 2

                                        I totally agree with you!

                                         

                                        I don`t understand why Adobe wants to integrate a tool which in my opinion has a really huge potential (creating of editable closed captions AND subtitles inside PPro) and only wants to use some of its functions. Where is this limitation coming from?

                                        • 17. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                          rmartin215 Level 1

                                          Even if I change the font size in the scc file, it does not carry over to premiere 2014.  The quicktime player makes the font much more readable.  If  you tube can create good captions, which they do, they why can't Adobe?

                                          • 18. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                            Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                            Hi Michal,

                                            Thanks for the post.

                                            I totally agree with you!

                                             

                                            I don`t understand why Adobe wants to integrate a tool which in my opinion has a really huge potential (creating of editable closed captions AND subtitles inside PPro) and only wants to use some of its functions.

                                             

                                            It's not that we only want to use "some of its functions." The functions simply aren't available within Premiere Pro right now.

                                             

                                            Where is this limitation coming from?

                                             

                                            I believe what you are looking for are "open captions," which aren't currently available in Premiere Pro. Feel free to make a feature request for that here: http://adobe.ly/feature_request

                                             

                                            Thanks,
                                            Kevin

                                            • 19. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                              Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                              Hi Marc,

                                              Thanks for posting.

                                              all the tech is already there, its just not thought about and a little bit shoddily implemented.

                                               

                                              Actually, the tech for creating captions as you wish does not exist yet within Premiere Pro. We are aware that people want greater flexibility and easier workflows regarding onscreen text, though, including captions and subtitles.

                                               

                                              Subtitles and Captions are different things: Well maybe in the textbook they are. But in a real production environment, they are not always totally different. Why not giving me the options of DOING both.

                                               

                                              I see you already filed a feature request for what you want, so thanks for that.

                                               

                                              Preaching up and down that CC's and Subtiltles are completely different things, are somehow is neglecting production reality.

                                               

                                              Captions are a pretty recent feature, so we're doing our best there to improve the feature as time moves forward. Again, a feature request is your best bet.

                                               

                                              I'd rather go with a separate ST tool which is sleak and fast.

                                               

                                              That's what I would suggest for longer productions.

                                               

                                              But I also want to be able to import a STL, SRT or whatever file and work with it right in the NLE. Preferably I would not even want to use a 3rd party tool. Let it all be done in PP. Make it simple.

                                               

                                              Sounds good!

                                               

                                              Thanks,

                                              Kevin

                                              • 20. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                JOHN MONDO Level 1

                                                Compared to Avid totally useless. On Avid I have a wysiwig editor that displays captions as they appear, I can change fonts and colours, boxes and how they appear, position etc and apply stylesheets and use automatically adjustable boxes, apply settings globally or to a single track of video or even project wide, I can choose to export my captions as both open and closed. Adobe's implementation IMO opinion is totally useless and the replies above do not address the problem.

                                                "there is a very limited number of fonts available" - Well at least display them as they will appear on the final output. Not as something kerned out wide, super small etc with no box behind them like it should be. Plus you do have a choice of size etc.

                                                Really it's a half-baked implementation and essentially useless - what's more you need to properly support the two major formats used by broadcasters EBU19 fo PAL countries and SMPTE for NTSC countries and they need to be display options.

                                                 

                                                This is an important issue for Adobe as the lack of support points to a lack of care for the hearing impaired community. I think it needs moving up the priority list.

                                                • 21. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                  Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                                  Hi John,

                                                  Thanks for the feedback, it is much appreciated. If you could summarize your requests here, it would be appreciated: http://adobe.ly/feature_request

                                                   

                                                  Adobe's implementation IMO opinion is totally useless and the replies above do not address the problem.

                                                   

                                                  Not to make excuses, but closed captioning is a fairly recent feature and it has been improving as time moves forward. I expect that you will continue to see this feature get better in future versions.

                                                   

                                                  I agree that much can be improved.

                                                  This is an important issue for Adobe as the lack of support points to a lack of care for the hearing impaired community.

                                                   

                                                  Indeed, we do care. That's why we implemented the feature and continue to improve it. Sorry that the development has not been as far along as you would have liked it to be.

                                                  I think it needs moving up the priority list.

                                                   

                                                  The best way to do that is to file that feature request. Thanks again for your response.

                                                   

                                                  Regards,

                                                  Kevin

                                                  • 22. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                    rmartin215 Level 1

                                                    I can't get the cc process to work correctly in Premiere 2014.

                                                     

                                                    I create an SCC file with Subtitle Edit, inspection of which indicates that the timecodes are correct.

                                                     

                                                    However, when imported into premiere, they are off by over a second.

                                                     

                                                    Need to get it to work.  Thanks.

                                                    • 23. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                      monstremoi Adobe Employee

                                                      Hello there,

                                                       

                                                      We didn't test with Subtitle Edit - we tested extensively with files from MacCaption / CaptionMaker and Annotation Edit.

                                                       

                                                      Feedback is important, especially when someone reports being disappointed. I can always take a look at a file you have, and see if there is a problem with the file, or if there is a problem with PPRO.

                                                       

                                                      Regards,

                                                       

                                                      CM

                                                      • 24. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                        Michal Kuleba Level 2

                                                        hi, I`m using subtitle edit and subtitle workshop and it works fine. but normally I import a xml-subtitles into premiere. are you sure your projects have the same fps? you can also try to switch from timecode to frames` numbers, I think that way you can be 100% sure your subtitles were imported correctly into premiere.

                                                        • 25. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                          Tiboine Level 1

                                                          It's 2015, and we can't change the font on subtitles. oh my …

                                                          • 26. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                            monstremoi Adobe Employee

                                                            Subtitles and closed captions are very different. But even if you could change the closed captions font in Premiere, the font might change again on any other device that is decoding them. Premiere has no control over this.

                                                            • 27. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                              Michal Kuleba Level 2

                                                              well but even then, it is very difficult to use the closed captions in premiere, because the font makes it very unpractical, so it really isn`t easy if you have to edit with the closed captions. and if you want to burn in the closed captions at the export you just have to have control about how they look.

                                                              • 28. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                rmartin215 Level 1

                                                                It seems to me that there is little if any motivation in adobe to addess these issues which have been around for a long time.  I guess the only hope would be pressure from enough people  But it doesn't seem like many use Premiere for this purpose  Right now, I am watching PBS and their CC's are very nice.

                                                                 

                                                                What do they use/  Avid?

                                                                • 29. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                  monstremoi Adobe Employee

                                                                  Thanks for the frank feedback, it does matter. Closed captioning has come a long way since PPRO 6.0, when you could only attach a sidecar file to the Sequence. We added MOV and MXF caption decoding support, 608 and 708 support, support of SCC MCC XML and STL files, exporting to DNxHD Op1a and some variations of MXF, embedding closed captions to MOV and MXF, and native caption creation and editing. PPRO will continue to develop all areas of the program, and I'll keep pushing for closed captioning.

                                                                  • 30. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                    rmartin215 Level 1

                                                                    Thanks.  Good.

                                                                     

                                                                    We'll be watching and waiting.

                                                                    • 31. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                      CCmaker Level 1

                                                                      Hi, I am in the CC business.

                                                                      I just spent an hour on Chat with adobe to embed SCC into an MOV file for playing on IPhone.

                                                                      Never did get it working. Using a paid version of Adobe Pemiere Pro CC.

                                                                      going to look into adobe Media Encode.

                                                                      • 32. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                        monstremoi Adobe Employee

                                                                        Hello there -- Here are some questions for you, to see if I can help you out:

                                                                         

                                                                        1. When you embed closed captioning using a SCC into a MOV -- does this MOV file play back with closed captions in PPRO, when you reimport it?

                                                                        2. Does this MOV you created with captions embedded in it, play back captions in QuickTime?

                                                                         

                                                                        Let me know and thank you for posting here.

                                                                         

                                                                        C

                                                                        • 33. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                          CCmaker Level 1

                                                                          Thanks for the very quick reply.

                                                                           

                                                                          I don't really know how to use Premiere Pro CC; I only needed it to do closed-captioning mainly in HD broadcast (which it does not do very well).

                                                                          My main concern is PPRO support embedded with very few formats and the TV stations I've dealt with want them embedded (so they say).

                                                                           

                                                                          I never did create an MOV with CC embedded. If I brought the file back into PPRO it didn't 'seem' to have captions inside.

                                                                          If played in QT, also no CC.

                                                                           

                                                                          I just did some quick testing with Telestream Caption Maker and it looks like it is working. My client is now

                                                                          testing the file(s) going to Apple devices. The project is for the federal government and they have to make

                                                                          captioning work on ALL devices.

                                                                          • 34. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                            CCmaker Level 1

                                                                            I don't give up...

                                                                            I've created an MOV with embedded captions.

                                                                            Having a sync problem but I'm sure I can fix it.

                                                                             

                                                                            Export:  QT, preset: Custom, codex H.264 size 720/480

                                                                            Captions work in QT on PC, can't test it on Apple devices.

                                                                            • 35. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                              monstremoi Adobe Employee

                                                                              One thing to keep in mind -- Premiere Pro ingests 608 and 708 captions -- but embedding to MOV, we embed only 608 going into MOV. This is because Apple does not support embedding for 708 captions into MOV in their QuickTime specification.

                                                                              • 36. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                                Department4 Level 1

                                                                                It's confusing/frustrating that in Premiere's very own user guide, it says that "You can also specify the font family and size, and apply formatting effects such as underlining and italicizing" for captions. Maybe want to revise that as to not confuse users? Adobe Premiere Pro Help | Working with captions

                                                                                • 37. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                                  monstremoi Adobe Employee

                                                                                  Thank you for your feedback -- we review our documentation constantly, to make sure it is accurate, and we will look into this.

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                                    cody.maxwell Level 1

                                                                                    I sent the export to 3playmedia.com and they did a great job producing transcript and caption options.

                                                                                    Importing the DFXP file back into the PPCC2015 project, I see that the captions are on top of the screen and without a background.

                                                                                    My question is, how do I select all of the captions at once and make global adjustments to their location on screen and change their background?

                                                                                     

                                                                                    At this point it doesn't seem possible, meaning, I will have to select each caption individually and make these adjustments one at a time.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    There has to be an easier way?

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Font for closed captions in Premiere Pro CC?
                                                                                      monstremoi Adobe Employee

                                                                                      I can take a look at any sidecar files you are seeing an issue with, and give you feedback on how the file is configured. We have a bug where SRT files are not being decoded correctly in Premiere Pro. I suggest you try importing your sidecar files in other formats like SCC, MCC or XML. But again, I would be happy to look at the file you are talking about, and give you specific feedback. Send me a private message here, and I can give you a email to send it to.

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