19 Replies Latest reply: Oct 16, 2013 5:53 AM by Mike Gondek2 RSS

    Live paint bucket and eyedropper

    DelBoy78 Community Member

      Right; I've got my fill color set up in the toolbar using the eye dropper.

      Now I activate the 'live paint bucket' tool, and the fill color vanishes.

      So I hit 'i' for the eyedropper again and lose the bucket tool.

      The color picker the doesn't have eye dropper ability like big brother PS so how the f*** am I supposed to get my bucket's color? (other than fill up my swatches)

      At the moment I am sampling in Photoshop and copying the hexidecimal code.

       

      12 years in Photoshop, 3 days in illustrator and can't believe this is industry standard.

        • 1. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
          Kurt Gold Community Member

          Which version of Illustrator are you using?

           

          Sounds like you don't want the Live Paint bucket (which is a different thing that is supposed to be used in conjunction with Live Paint groups).

           

          It rather sounds that you simply want to use Alt+Eyedropper to use the tool as a common bucket.

          • 2. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
            DelBoy78 Community Member

            CS6. I've just had a quick try at 'alt+eyedropper' but it didn't drop any colours into the scene, the eye dropper image just turned inside-out. It's Friday night and I;ve had a drink so I'll look into it a bit deeper tomorrow, but for the time being; how do I take a bundle of collected lines - not  simply graphed shapes - and dump a color inside them the way you would the paint bucket in PShop?

            • 3. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
              DelBoy78 Community Member

              ned.png

              Like a bundle of lines to trace ned and then put the color inside

              • 4. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                Mike Gondek2 MVP

                What you need to do is add the color to swatches, as that is where live paint bucket pulls colors from.

                 

                Alt eyedropper is not accurate, as it takes the screen values, and also averages. But it is quick and if you are trying to recreate somehitng fast then use alt eyedropper.

                • 5. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                  DelBoy78 Community Member

                  I've found what the alt+eyedropper is all about; shortcut for applying a fill colour to a line. Thanks for that but as the image lower down shows, the areas I want to fill with colour are not built from a single fillable line.

                  • 6. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                    JETalmage Community Member
                    1. With the LivePaint tool selected, press and hold Alt. Momentarily invokes the Eyedropper.
                    2. Click a pre-existing vector object with the Fill/Stroke you want to use. Note that the current Fill/Stroke in the Toolbox become those of the clicked object.
                    3. Release Alt and click inside the LivePaint Group to apply.

                     

                    To similarly pick up colors from raster images, in step 1 also press and hold Shift.

                     

                    3 days in illustrator...

                    Good idea to read the instructions.

                     

                    JET

                    • 7. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                      emil emil Community Member

                      DelBoy78 wrote:

                       

                      I've found what the alt+eyedropper is all about; shortcut for applying a fill colour to a line. Thanks for that but as the image lower down shows, the areas I want to fill with colour are not built from a single fillable line.

                      Eyedropper applies the attributes of the clicked object to the selected object/s as set in its options accessible by double clicking the Eyedropper tool

                       

                      Holding Alt while clicking with the Eyedropper (In my version CS5) does the opposite - it applies the attributes from the selected object to the object being clicked.

                       

                      Holding Shift while clicking with the Eyedropper applies the color being clicked to the fill or stroke of the selected object/s depending on which (the fill or the stroke) is in front in the color selector found in the Tool box and the Color panel. Pressing the X key on your keyboard, swaps which color, fill or stroke, is in front (focus of your input).

                       

                      While using the Live Paint Bucket tool, holding Alt switches temporarily to the Eyedropper tool. However using the Eyedropper to pick colors from a Live Paint group may feel as if it is working differently because it may not be picking the stroke color. This is because internally behind the scene, the Live Paint group is separating the fills as different objects without strokes. Expanding the Live Paint group reveals this.

                      • 8. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                        DelBoy78 Community Member

                        Nice one, top advice. I'll have to look into this 'instructions' thing one day.

                        • 9. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                          emil emil Community Member

                          Mike Gondek wrote:

                           

                          ... Alt eyedropper is not accurate, as it takes the screen values, and also averages.

                          Mike,

                          In my version CS5 Alt works as I explained in my previous message. Regarding the colors Eyedropper picks, it is accurate when picking colors from objects created in the document, included images rasterized in the document by Illustrator. It may read different color values than expected of linked objects but those are still not screen values, they are color management values. To make the Eyedropper read screen values of the color, the only way I know is to make a screen capture and paste. Then the color will be different if the color profile of the document is different than the color profile of the monitor which is the case with CMYK documents and with all users who have custom made or manufacturer supplied monitor color profiles.

                          About the averaging of color, in the Eyedropper options it can be set to a point sample which is a screen pixel.

                          • 10. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                            DelBoy78 Community Member

                            I think this issue is resolved now, but out of interest; is there any way other than live paint bucket to dump a colour into a patch that can't be achieved with a simple fill?

                             

                            Also for the record; I don't achieve much from instruction manuals until I've stretched my legs around the software so that I know what they are referring to. (I learned Quark XPress all by myself)

                            • 11. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                              emil emil Community Member

                              JETalmage wrote:

                               

                              To similarly pick up colors from raster images, in step 1 also press and hold Shift.

                              Jet, I can pick the colors from raster images without holding Shift, but it changes only the fill color regardless if it is in front or back in the color selector and removes the stroke if any of the selected object. However because of this behavior I have the habit of always holding Shift when sampling raster images.

                              • 12. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                                emil emil Community Member

                                DelBoy78 wrote:

                                ...

                                Also for the record; I don't achieve much from instruction manuals until I've stretched my legs around the software so that I know what they are referring to. (I learned Quark XPress all by myself)

                                Although, I refer to good manuals from time to time, I'm pretty much the same like you. I've never read a word about how eyedropper works in the manual, all of my input in your thread about it is from my experience.

                                ... is there any way other than live paint bucket to dump a colour into a patch that can't be achieved with a simple fill?

                                I'm not sure if I understand you correctly but I apply colors mostly using the color panel, swatches, and the eyedropper. With an object selected, I send a look a the color selector to make sure what is the front color, fill or stroke, and then just pick a color in one of the aforementioned ways. I rarely use Live Paint, this is because I continue to edit objects after I color them. For example in your Simpson character image the mustache and eyes will be in front of the face color so that if I change their shapes or move them later it is the color of the face and not gaps that will show behind.

                                • 13. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                                  Kurt Gold Community Member

                                  … is there any way other than live paint bucket to dump a colour into a patch that can't be achieved with a simple fill?

                                   

                                  Shape Builder tool.

                                  • 14. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                                    DelBoy78 Community Member

                                    marge.pngI'm going to go over some shape builder tutorials soon, but here is the issue I am scratching my head on. I have given the outside of marge's arm a yellow fill here, but the other lines of the arm are drawn with independant lines, as is the rest of her bare top half, so the fill hasn't got a second edge.

                                    If this was photoshop I would dump a yellow paint on her upper chest and it would put colour in every pixel until it hits a black line.

                                    Live paint bucket seems very similar but it will only work if all my strokes are uniform lines and it all seems way more complex than -should- be required for just placing a colour from 'here' to 'here'.

                                    • 15. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                                      Kurt Gold Community Member

                                      Can you provide a sample .ai file of that lady?

                                      • 16. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                                        DelBoy78 Community Member

                                        www.photocasteruk.net/Marge.ai

                                         

                                        Thanks for going so deep into this with me. I'm about to head out for the night so have a ball.

                                        • 17. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                                          Kurt Gold Community Member

                                          Thanks for the sample file.

                                           

                                          I'd recommend to check your Gap Detection settings in both the Shape Builder and Live Paint tool options.

                                          • 18. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                                            DelBoy78 Community Member

                                            I will be back on this issue by the weekend, for now I've got to learn my way around PowerPoint for a course I'm on.

                                            • 19. Re: Live paint bucket and eyedropper
                                              Mike Gondek2 MVP

                                              Oops, sorry I meant shift eyedropper.