7 Replies Latest reply on Oct 12, 2013 10:06 AM by grug73

    Disk setup optimization for CS6?

    grug73

      Hi guys another one of these...Need drive set up advise please

       

      First and FOREMOST I'VE READ ALL THE TWEAKERS PAGE so my situation is not in there unfortunaltely so any comment about go read them is uneccesary.  Why? Because it does not consist of all identical drives and unfortunately I have to make due with what i have for now in terms of drives...

       

      System I5-3570k (4.2 oc), z77-ud5h mobo, 16 Gb low latency 1600 mhz Ram, radeon hd sapphire 4870, Mac OS 10.8.5

       

      The set up needs to help me work on RED foootage (which i'll reconvert if need be to pro res or cineform or work in proxy if need be until cc), so it's TEMPORARY.  I understand the risks but doing this project will let me upgrade to better disks after. Meaning for the span of this project I don't care about redundancy (the cclient disk stays with me and i have copies)

       

      Drives available:

       

      1 x SSD 128 GB                                    (On Sata 3)                                                 r/w = 498

      1 x 500 GB Seagate (sata II)    (c.16)    (On Sata II)                                                 r/w = 128 

      2 x 1TB WD Blue      (sata 3)    (c.64)    (On Sata II)                                                 r/w = 325 (Raid 0)

      1 x 1TB WD Gr (7200) (sata II) (c.32)    (On Sata II)                                                 r/w = 84

      1 x 90 GB SSD                                      (On sata 3)                                                 r/w = 500

      2 x 320 GB WD Blue (sata II)   (c.16)    (On g-sata *)                                                 r/w = 228  (Raid 0)

         *possible either from board or asmedia1061 pci-e card

       

      1 x 1.5 TB WD Gr (5400) Sata II        (c.32) =      (On g-sata)                                                  r/w = 70

       

      EXTERNAL DRIVES : 2 TB Gdrive (e-sata FW800) - 2 TB USB 2 seagate - 2 TB La Cie usb2 (i have enough to do backups and will)

       

      Apps used : CS6 (Premiere, AE, speed Grade) + FCPX + motion + c4d  (eventualy Resolve lite at least)

      Camera I edit from : Dslr - Arri - Ex1 -Ex3 - nexF700 - c300 -and red 

       

      What would be my best drive set up options.  Not all drives need to be in there

       

      understanding and trying to respect the spreading scheme so often pointed out here is one option

       

      Option 1

      SSD 128GB                         : OS/Programs + Page file (see a.)                                                498 

      Seagate 500GB                   : Projects                                                                                       128

      2TB WD Blue RAID0            : Media                                                                                          325

      640GB WD Blue Raid0        : Media Cache/Scratch Preview                                                  228

      1TB WD Gr                          : Exports                                                                                           80

      SSD 90GB                           : Dedicated AE cache (and maybe also for c4d + motion)            495

       

      Notes:

        -I feel 500GB for Projects is not a lot but enough if separate from media sources, but i put it there because it's faster then the 1 TB wd     Green (128 vs 84)?  Where is speed more importan project files or exports?

        -Media managewise this feels complicated a bit?

       

      Option 2

      SSD 128GB                         : OS/Programs + Page file (see a.)     

      1TB WD Gr                          : Projects                                                                                             80

      2TB WD Blue RAID0            : Media                                                                                               325

      640GB WD Blue Raid0        : Media Cache/Scratch Preview                                                       228

      Seagate 500GB                  : Exports                                                                                             128

      SSD 90GB                           : Dedicated AE cache (and maybe also for c4d and or motion)        495

       

      Notes: This would mean faster exports and more projects space, but i don think speed wise it's my optimal choice although it stays true to spreading...

       

      Option 3 : From adobe white paper hardware optimization...

       

      Preferred is a four-drive system, with one dedicated to the operating system and software, the second for source media and project files, the third for the media cache, and the fourth for previews and exports.

       

      That means this

       

      SSD 128 GB                        : OS/Programs + Page file (see a.)                                                   498                 

      2TB WD blue Raid 0            : Projects / Media                                                                              325

      500GB Seagate                   : Media cache/ Scratch                                                                    128

      640GB WD Blue Raid 0       : Previews  Exports                                                                           228

      SSD 90GB                           : Dedicated AE cache (and maybe also for c4d + motion)                495

       

      Then Why not

       

      SSD 128 GB                        : OS/Programs + Page file (see a.)                                                    498

      640GB WD Blue Raid 0       : Projects + Exports                                                                           228

      2TB WD blue + 1Tb WD Gr  : Media / Media cache + Previews                                                   400

      SSD 90GB                           : Dedicated AE cache (and maybe also for c4d + motion)                495

       

      Or

      SSD 128 GB                        : OS/Programs + Page file (see a.)                                                    498

      3TB TB RAid 0 BL = Gr     : Projects + Media + Exports                                                              400

      640GB WD Blue Raid 0       : Media cache + Previews                                                                 228

      SSD 90GB                           : Dedicated AE cache (and maybe also for c4d + motion)                495

       

      introduces more risk because of the mixed Wd Blue and green Raidd 0

      But also seems OPTIMAL FOR media management and workflow as well

       

      Or

      SSD 128 GB                        : OS/Programs + Page file (see a.)                                                    498

      500 GB Seagate                  : Projects                                                                                            128

      3TB TB RAid 0 BL = Gr       : Media + exports                                                                               400

      640GB WD Blue Raid 0       : Media cache + Previews                                                                 228

      SSD 90GB                           : Dedicated AE cache (and maybe also for c4d + motion)                495

       

      if spreading additonnal drive  benefits more then raid 0 for projects whic i have a hard time to believe

      But I'd prefer to keep the 500 seagate for office documents and non video editing related softwares then

       

      Please feel free to suggest rearrangements.  I can't buy an external Raid 3/5 solution for now

       

      Q's from reding the tweakers page

       

      a) is pagefile a mac concern?

      b) Why would a raid 0 hurt project files, if it's also recommended for a raid 3/5 set up?  is it just because of redundancy issues striclty or because of other issues?

      d) What about the dedicated 90 GB ssd for AE cache (and or other motion 3d software) Good idean? 90 GB enough?

      e) How much media cache is enough

      f) Where do we need to adress the speed

        • 1. Re: Disk setup optimization for CS6?
          cc_merchant Level 4

          Your basic problem is your CPU. Any disk setup is only marginal in comparison to the CPU problem. An i5 is just not capable to handle anything RED/EPIC without serious problems.

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          • 2. Re: Disk setup optimization for CS6?
            grug73 Level 1

            Ok thanks for the cpu comment.  But could you answer the question about drive set up please.

             

            I'll look into changing the processor althoug I've worked on red footage with my old machine a q9550 on a socket 775 board...I can send you the link to the tv spot if you'd like.

             

            I'm sure there is a workflow we can find for this processor...

            • 3. Re: Disk setup optimization for CS6?
              grug73 Level 1

              So just for fun here let's pretend I have a I-7 do you would you care to help on the questions asked? I see a lot of users on the red forum who work to a degree with footage with i-5  (I don't expect fullframe realtime playback and am ok with some rendering  as i will also do the grading in a post facility for now. Setting the drives would help me with other projects for now.

              • 4. Re: Disk setup optimization for CS6?
                cc_merchant Level 4

                a) is pagefile a mac concern?

                Dunno. I'm a PC person without a Mac wallet.

                b) Why would a raid 0 hurt project files, if it's also recommended for a raid 3/5 set up?  is it just because of redundancy issues striclty or because of other issues?

                Redundancy. You don't want to lose project files, but using (r)aid0 you double or even triple (depending on the number of disks) the chances of losing everything.

                d) What about the dedicated 90 GB ssd for AE cache (and or other motion 3d software) Good idean? 90 GB enough?

                Seems small.

                e) How much media cache is enough

                256 GB looks OK for small to medium projects. For large projects you may need more.

                f) Where do we need to adress the speed

                Cores, clock speed and memory.

                 

                Green disks are OK for backup, nothing else. Certainly not for editing and not in a (r)aid configuration.

                • 5. Re: Disk setup optimization for CS6?
                  grug73 Level 1

                  Ok good start (btw it's a hackintos...used to be on macs, could afford a new MPro that's why i did it that way)

                   

                  So if i were to put all caches on my second raido (640 GB) except the AE cache that i would put on the 90GB SSD would that help?

                   

                  by f) i meant in relation to drive assignation : Projects : Media : Media Cache/Scratch Preview  : Previews and exports

                   

                  The 1.5 T Green was out of the equation (5400) for sure but the 1TB Green is 7200 RPM.  Would it be  separate 4th drive for exports and be better ? And you find it too risky to add it as a third drive of a Raid 0.

                   

                  So that leaves

                   

                  SSD 128 GB                        : OS/Programs + Page file (see a.)                                                    498

                  500 GB Seagate                  : Projects                                                                                             128

                  2TB WD BL RAid 0              : Media + exports                                                                                325

                  640GB WD Blue Raid 0       : Media cache + Previews                                                                  228

                  *SSD 90GB                           : Dedicated AE cache (and maybe also for c4d + motion)                495

                   

                  SSD 128 GB                        : OS/Programs + Page file (see a.)                                                   498                

                  2TB WD blue Raid 0            : Projects / Media                                                                               325

                  500GB Seagate                   : Media cache/ Scratch                                                                    128

                  640GB WD Blue Raid 0       : Previews  Exports                                                                           228

                  *SSD 90GB                           : Dedicated AE cache (and maybe also for c4d + motion)                495

                   

                  or do you see a better set up

                  • 6. Re: Disk setup optimization for CS6?
                    cc_merchant Level 4

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                    "I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

                     

                    "Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're going. You've risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow now, it's my fault."

                    Media Cache and Previews is where you need speed, not redundancy.

                     

                    Media & Projects is where you want redundancy, although speed is very nice as well.

                     

                    Exports are not really critical, speed and redundancy wise, as long as you back-up the exports regularly.

                    • 7. Re: Disk setup optimization for CS6?
                      grug73 Level 1

                      Wow

                       

                      A wise Chineesse man said

                      'When you feel like it's your fault then it must be'

                       

                      Although I never implied any fault on your behèalf, beeing the one looking for more knowledge, untill now : you've made this a bit personal by your metaphorical assumptions.

                       

                      Excuse me Sir for wanting to understand how speed of disks works in relation to drive size and drive assignations since i have disks of different sizes and speed and cache size.  I had read the forum well before posting.  Never again should you trouble yourself to answer any of my posts.  I really did explain I did not care about redundancy for now becaus i knew i could not get both for now for media and projects not having a raid an external controller and having read that even on board controller on z77 type of boards are useless, outside of usign time machine to back it up.  Excuse me for wanting to understand why you would put projects alone on a no raid drive if you wnated to work with 2 k material. Excuse me for wanting to understand wheter speed drive was more important thant speading the load on different disks (in relation to having different disk sizes and disk caches).  I come from FCP and was very active on help forums and whatever I knew I'd gladly shared.  Since you make this personnal by your assumptions instead of beeing a serial tweakers page copy paster and time waster (98 % of all drive set-up related questions on the forum have your fine print in them) maybe just answer the question. I'm sure i'm not alone to have unfortunately a system of disks with different sizes.  And i'm also sure i'm not the only one annoyed by not receiving an answer when you are waiting to help a friend with his film and are switching to a completly new editing system.

                       

                      Well if i were in your place and considering the drives you ghave I'd place

                       

                      c : for this

                      d : for that

                      e : for that

                      f : for that

                       

                      and here is why