13 Replies Latest reply: Oct 17, 2013 9:54 AM by nealeh RSS

    Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear

    Robert Eckerlin Community Member

      In V12, for the large Catalog that I have converted from V8: After closing in the PSE Editor the edit of a photo,  the horizontal red bar with the text "Edit in Progress"  takes typically much too much time to disappear from the PSE Organizer. I am seeing this problem wrhen using the large V12 PSE Catalog (around 70'000 cataloged folto files, including the multiple versions within Version sets),  that I have converted from PSE V8. With V12, typically for the jpeg photo Files that i have shot this year with my Nikon D5000, it takes around 16-18 seconds between

      - the time where I complete within the Editor closing the edit

      - and the time until the red bar disappears from the Organizer.

      With V8, this took only a couple of seconds.

       

      Also strangely, I noticed that for my older photos shot in 2004 wih a Canon compact camera (and originally cataloged with PSE Version V3) , in V12 this is much faster: a couple of seconds (I will need to measure that more precisely), even though I use the same V12 PSE Catalog, the same PSE Preferences and the same Windows 7 based PC for the tests with the recent photos of my recent D5000 cameras and for the tests with the old photos of my old Canon compact camera.

       

      I do not understand, why these timing differences between the photos shot with my modern NIKON D5000 and the photos shot with my old Canon compact camera. There is a difference in the file size (around 3.4 MB vs around 14.MB );  but I doubt whether this can be the explanation.

       

      Also, I noticed that in "Information --> Metadata --> GPS"  the Organizer sjows me for my Nikon D5000 photos (just) the following entry: GPS Version 2.2.0.0 (something that is not shown for the photos shot with my old Canon compact camera).  Myself do not use GPS datza (at least: not concsiously).  There are probably also other differences in the Metadata.

       

      I remembder that many years ago, I was seeing similar long times for some activities (I do not fremember which ones). After some investigations, it turned out that the reason for these long times was a component that was trying to adccess rersouces that were not located on my PC but were instead located remotely on the Laptop of my wife (which was in the same Windows Home networjk)

       

      Does somebody else sees in V12 long time for the red horizontal bar to disappear? Do you have an explanation for that?

       

      Some Notes about my current environment:

         In the Preferences of the Organizer: All Media Analysis Options are disabled/unckecked:

         in the Preferences of the Organizer: Adobe Revel Agent is disabled and none of the Dialog fields in the "Adobe Revel" panel have been set

         Thumbnails are all built (at least, this is my impression)t

         Watch Folder is diabled

         Killing the Elements.Auto.Analyze does not help

         I have deactivated the Adobe Active File Monitors of all PSE Versions that I have installed - this did not help

         I have not installed PRE V12 (but have previous Versions of PRE installed)

        • 1. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
          nealeh Community Member

          Robert Eckerlin wrote:

           

          There is a difference in the file size (around 3.4 MB vs around 14.MB );  but I doubt whether this can be the explanation.

          Why do you doubt that?

           

          If you don't make any changes in the editor does the 'edit in progress' disappear any faster?

           

          Try downloading some jpegs of different file sizes off the Internet and see if the 'time to disappear' varies by file size.

           

          Cheers,
          --
          Neale
          Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

          • 2. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
            Robert Eckerlin Community Member

            nealeh schrieb:

             

            Robert Eckerlin wrote:

             

            There is a difference in the file size (around 3.4 MB vs around 14.MB );  but I doubt whether this can be the explanation.

            Why do you doubt that?

             

            Neale, Thank You for you answering.

             

            Sorry; it is just now, that I got aware of one of my typos: I wanted to write 1.4 MB (as opposed to 14.MB)

             

            But even  with 14MB, I assume that  under "normal circumstances" (whatever this might be)  a difference between 3.4 MB and 14 MB, should not result in such a timing difference (unless for example the foto file is transmitted over a slow connection from my PC to another place).

             

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            If Closing within the Editor the processing of a photo without having made any change to it: the red bar disappears rapidly ( I have not measured it; but this is in the range of a couple of seconds)

             

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            I will follow your recommendations, perform also some other tersts,  and then report what I observe

            • 3. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
              nealeh Community Member

              I've just done some testing with large jpegs and PSD files. A 40MB file edited and saved on closing removed the 'edit in progress' in under three Mississippis. That's on a standard 7200 SATA drive.

               

              Do you have an unusually aggressive anti-virus / anti-spyware software installed that could be delaying file writes?

               

              As a test is it any quicker if you were to save the file to the SSD drive rather than the WD drive?

               

              You could maybe try  'disk speed test' or 'hard disk test' software (google those quoted phrases and you get several choices. In the past I've used Seagate tools and the Samsung utilities.

               

              Also check your Windows event viewer to see if there are any disk write issues.

               

              Cheers,
              --
              Neale
              Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

              • 4. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
                Robert Eckerlin Community Member

                Meanwhile, I made some few tests with the following other catalogs:

                  - a large test catalog, that I have created in V12 (by importing into that catalog all my 70'000  files from their Windows folder, without creating/importing any tags or Albums). It is hence a catalog that has not been converted from V8 to V12: the horizontal red bar still takes a long time to disapear.

                - a relatively small test catalog (around 2000 fotofiles) that I had converted from V8 to V12. I imported in that V12 catalog a relatively large jpeg Photo File of 3.6 MB and then edited that Photo. The.horizontal red bar takes around  5 seconds to disappear (with my large catzalogs around 16-18 seconds)

                 

                Based on the above two types of tests: it seems that the problem is not related to a catalog conversion from V8 to V12.  

                 

                I will now begin my tests with photos of different file sizes.Can I meanwhile ask a question: even when the Revel Agent is disabled, does PSE 12 transmit around my photo files?  If yes: to which destinations and for which reasons?.

                • 5. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
                  Robert Eckerlin Community Member

                  Neal, my apologies.

                   

                  When posting my previous entry, I was not aware of your post of 06:33.

                   

                  I only use Microsoft anti-virus / anti-spyware Software: Microsoft Security Essentials

                   

                  The Disk used to store my photo Files is a WD Caviar Green 5400 rpm SATA-II. I do not have SSDs.

                   

                  I doubt whether the problem is relaterd to the disks; because with V8 the red bar disappears rapidly (even for the same files stored on the same disks as for my V12 tests).  Windows Event Viewer does not show any disk-related problems.

                   

                  Baset on the tests, that i have done so far, I hasve the (right? or wrong?) impression, that the problem might be related to the size of the Catalog and also to the size of the foto file (or to the the type of the foto file and its metadata). I wonder whether somebody who participated in the V12 Beta Program is aware of similar problems.

                  • 6. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
                    Robert Eckerlin Community Member

                    Robert Eckerlin schrieb:

                     

                     

                    I will now begin my tests with photos of different file sizes.

                     

                    With my large V12 Catalog,  that I had converted from V8, I made the following tests
                      - I edited a recent 3.4 MB jpeg photo File and stored it  with the jpeg quality option of 2, resulting in a file size a little bit below 1MB

                      - Then I performed a couple of times the following test:

                             - I edited the 1MG jpeg File and then closed the File editing. Every Time, the Horizontal toolbar took around 16 seconds to disappear.

                    It seems therefore that it is not the file size that matters much.

                     

                    I believe, that I wiill need to sleep over that. Perhaps Adobe has good ideas about the possible reason for this problem.

                    • 7. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
                      nealeh Community Member

                      Sorry about the SSD comment - I was thinking of someone elses hardware environment.

                       

                      I was a part of the Pre-release program and have no recollection of anyone flagging disk write speed issues.

                       

                      My catalog contains about 11,000 entries and has been migrated from v7 -> 9 -> 10 -> 11 -> 12.

                       

                      I can't think of anything else to suggest other than you contact support via Live Chat.

                       

                      Cheers,
                      --
                      Neale
                      Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

                      • 8. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
                        Robert Eckerlin Community Member

                        Neal, Thank you.

                         

                        My intuition is often wrong: but I nevertheless have the impression/intuition, that the problem is not a "disk write issue".

                         

                        I noticed, that with V12, on my PC, once I close the editing of the only or last Photo that has been transfered from the Organizer to the Editor,  the focus is not switched backed automatically to the Organizer (in other words: after closing the only or last edit, "the Software" does not switch anymore automatically from showing the Window of the Editor to showing the Window of the Organizer).  Neal, do you also see that on your PC? And on your PC, is that also new in V12?

                        .

                        Also I noticed, that with V12 for each Photo that is currently "in edit", a task appears in the Windows Taskbar. For a previous V8 user this is new (I do not know, if that was already like that in V11).  I have therefore  the impression, that internally the method of communication between Editor and Organizer has changed substantially and I wonder whether  the problem that I encounter (= the time it takes for the red horizontal bar to disappear) is a consequence/bug in that changed method of communication.  But  unfortunately, I do not make problem determination progress.

                         

                         

                        Neale, what do you mean with "Live Chat" with support?

                        • 9. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
                          nealeh Community Member
                          1. When I close the last image focus returns to the Organizer
                          2. The taskbar behaviour varies. If you have your images 'floating' you get a separate task for each image and the application itself. If your images are docked to tabs then you just get one icon in the taskbar. You can change your image layout under Window> Images
                          3. Live Chat appears at the bottom of various Adobe support pages. Here's an example for Creative Cloud (http://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/download-install-trials.html). Unfortunately I can't find the equivalent for PSE at the moment - I'm sure it existed last week

                           

                          [EDIT] D'oh - that link in 3. is generic for any product installation issue - use the Chat box at the bottom of that page.

                           

                          Cheers,
                          --
                          Neale
                          Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

                          • 10. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
                            Robert Eckerlin Community Member

                            Thank You very much Neal.

                             

                            Its strange that on my PC, with V12, the image focus did never return to the Organizer. ...But at least, its good to know, that this is not what others are experiencing.

                             

                            Tomorrow I will try my luck with docked images in the very slim hope, that this might be a work-around ...one never knows.

                             

                            And Thank You for the other information.

                            Robert

                            • 11. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
                              Robert Eckerlin Community Member

                              Today, just by chance, I made unintentionally a test which revealed a good work-around.

                               

                              In that test, before editing a photo, I did with the Organizer a keyword-tag search which limits the number of photos-thumbnails shown in the Organizer. Then, in the Organizer I selected one of the photos shown by the Organizer and edited it. When closing the edit, the red horizontal bar disappeared very rapidly.

                               

                              Then I made a similar test, by using an Album ....which limits the photo-thumbnails shown in the organizer to the photos located in the Album. Then, in the Organizer I selected one of the photos shown by the Organizer and edited it. When closiung the edit, the red horizontal bar disappeared again very rapidly.

                               

                              Hence I have a good (and natural) workaround:  first, before editing a photo use (for example) a keyword tag search or an Album to limit the number of photo-thumbnails shown in the foto-bin of the Organizer;  then select the photo(s) to be edited from the smaller number photos shown in the Organizer. When performing my real-life work, this is anyway the way that I work.

                               

                              ----

                              What I still do not know: why, when I do not limit the number of photos shown in the Organizer (for example with a Keywordtag Search or via an Album), it takes with V12 so much time for the red horizontal bar to disapear (with V8, that was fast).  But I do not need to understand, because I am happy with my work-around/solution.

                               

                              A detail: after finding my work-around, I have the (unverified) impression that the difference in timing that I had previously observed with my large catalog when comparing the edit of an old photo with the edit of an new photo has nothing to do with the photo-filesize or with the Photo metadata. Probably, the explanation for that difference is the location of the foto thumbnail within my huge photo-bin (around 50'000 thumbnails) of the Organizer. It may well be, that for photos located at the begin of the huge photobin,  the red horizontal bar disappears much faster than for fotos located towards the end of the photo bin.

                              • 12. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
                                Robert Eckerlin Community Member

                                Robert Eckerlin wrote:

                                 

                                 

                                A detail: after finding my work-around, I have the (unverified) impression that the difference in timing that I had previously observed with my large catalog when comparing the edit of an old photo with the edit of an new photo has nothing to do with the photo-filesize or with the Photo metadata. Probably, the explanation for that difference is the location of the foto thumbnail within my huge photo-bin (around 50'000 thumbnails) of the Organizer. It may well be, that for photos located at the begin of the huge photobin,  the red horizontal bar disappears much faster than for fotos located towards the end of the photo bin.

                                An additional test seems to confirm the impression described above: when the Organizer Bin displays all Thumbnails of my very large V12 Catalog, after changing in the Organizer (View -> Sort By) the Sort order from "Oldest" to "Newest": the Horizontal red bar disappears very rapidly, when closing the edit of one of the most recent photos (when the Sort Order was "Oldest", it was only after around 16-18 seconds, that the horizontal red bar disappeared when closing the edit of a frecent photo.)

                                 

                                I am happy to have a good solution for that problem. I am now ready to switch from V8  to V12 for my "real PSE Work".

                                • 13. Re: Horizontal red Bar with "Edit in Progess" takes too much time to disappear
                                  nealeh Community Member

                                  Glad to hear you found a reason and workaround. Thanks for reporting your findings back.

                                   

                                  Cheers,
                                  --
                                  Neale
                                  Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children