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    Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11

    Buddycat Community Member

      HOpe someone can tell what settings I should be using.

       

      I edited together video from a video camera shooting at DVD quality - 720 by 480 for 4:3 aspect ratio.   It does a little bit of letterboxing, my newest videos, no matter what format I burn the file to, comes out looking smaller than teh Youtube windo.   Previous videos I edited in PE7, some look like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nhlLXGuPhY.   But others look like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTjPLuqxpHc.    They were all uploaded as MPEG files.   I've tried MP4 and get the same result.   When I've tried to do my latest video in wide screen, they look okay, but for some reasons, where I have multiple image sources on the screen at the same time, the wipes don't come out right.   I stayed with 4:3 and it looks fine, but I'd like to fill the sceen like the first video.   As I'm looking at them, some of the videos fill the screen, and others do not.   Can't figure out what I'm doing different.   Any ideas of what settings I should use?:

        • 1. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
          A.T. Romano Community Member

          Buddycat

           

          This is what I would like you to do and then let us know the results.

           

          Given that you have Premiere Elements 11 (for now presuming running on Windows 7 or 8 64 bit) and your footage is 720 x 480 4:3 (DVD quality).

           

          Open Premiere Elements 11 to its Expert workspace. Go to its File Menu/New/Project and set the project preset manually for NTSC DV Standard.

          Make sure that you have a check mark next to "Force Selected Project Setting on This Project" before you exit the new project dialog. Close out of there. Back in the Premiere Elements 11 Expert workspace, use Add Media/ to import your files into the project.

           

          If the Timeline content duration is less than 15 minutes, you can use Publish+Share/Online/YouTube with a preset of Flash Video for YouTube.

          If you decide to export your Timeline content to a file saved to the computer hard drive and then upload that file from there to YouTube at the YouTube web site, you can use Publish+Share/Computer/AVCHD with Presets = MP4 - NTSC DV Standard.

           

          Please give the above a try and then let us know the results. Please do not hesitate to ask for clarification on anything that I have written.

           

          Thank you.

           

          ATR

          • 3. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
            A.T. Romano Community Member

            Buddycat

             

            Please clarify. I just watched the YouTube video accessed from the link provided in your latest post (2).

             

            The video presents at playback filling the YouTube screen, and, Full Screen on my computer monitor when I hit Full Screen.

            (Computer monitor = 19 in Widescreen, native resolution 1440 x 900.)

             

            Thanks.

             

            ATR

            • 4. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
              Buddycat Community Member

              That's....interesting.   When I first loaded it, it wasn't that way.   I wonder if it has something to do with Youtube's processing.   Okay, so that solves a problem.   Now.   Since I've already uploaded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRRVouKza0o and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar6qUZq5mM4 without that setting, is there anything I can do with the projects as they are, or will I have to burn the files, then put them in a new project with the settings you described above?

               

              (Also, for future prjects, should I always have the "Force project settings" checkmarked?)

              • 5. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                A.T. Romano Community Member

                Buddycat

                 

                Thanks for the follow up.

                 

                As for the old project, in the Edit Mode monitor is the image filling the space provided there for the project preset? If no, then scale using Motion Panel expanded's Scale slider OR click on the monitor and drag on one of the handles of the bounding box that appears there.

                 

                If you right click the video in Project Assets and select Interpret Footage, what is shown for Pixel Aspect Ration there?

                 

                Yes, when you set the project preset manually always put a check mark after "Force Selected Project Setting on this Project" after you set the project preset and before you exit the new project dialog.

                 

                Also, for any exports to file, double check the settings, including those under the Advanced Button of the preset. And, keep away from any setting for Automatic According to Source (or worded something like that).

                 

                ATR

                • 6. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                  Buddycat Community Member

                  Aha.    The pixel ratios are off, for one thing, apparently.   I have some footage that  I had previuosly processed in another program for special effects that are .9091 pixels NTSC standard, but looking at the raw footage, they're 1.185(?)   They look like the right aspect, though.   But could this be the problem?

                   

                  I remember in PE 7, I had to make the program preferences conform to square pixels before, otherwise, the picture was too narrow. 

                   

                  As to your question about fillihg screen - yes - and no.  Since in pseudo widescreen format, it fills the screen horizontally, but there's about a 3/4" black border top and bottom.  B & N Excellent AN Adv 3.jpg

                  • 7. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                    Buddycat Community Member

                    Okay, so changing those files to square pixels doesn't help - still weird.   So, is there any way to Force Selected Project Setting after the fact, or do I need to export this and run it through PE again as an entire file, changing those presets when creating a new project?

                    • 8. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                      A.T. Romano Community Member

                      Buddycat

                       

                      The Adobe party line is that you cannot change project preset after you are in the Edit phase. But I have shown that you can under certain circumstances by editing the Notepad document for the saved project.prel. But, often it is easier to start a new project. Here is a blog post that I wrote on the subject in order to give you an idea what would be involved.

                      http://atr935.blogspot.com/2013/05/pe11-changing-project-settings-without.html

                       

                      I will take another look at your last several posts to see if I can pick up on anything that would help.

                       

                      Thanks.

                       

                      ATR

                      • 9. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                        Buddycat Community Member

                        Mmm.   I see what you mean.   Okay - question is, would burning the file as is and then running that through again with the proper settings actually fix the problem?   Or would it reproduce the reduced picture, even with the new settings?   And would I lose resolution?

                         

                        I really don't want to have to go back and re-edit my videos, so if there's no other solution, then I guess I'll gicve that article another look.

                        • 10. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                          A.T. Romano Community Member

                          Buddycat

                           

                          It is just after midnight where I am. I wanted to let you know that I saw you latest post and will reply first thing in the early morning.

                           

                          More later.

                           

                          Thanks for the follow up.

                           

                          ATR

                          • 11. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                            Buddycat Community Member

                            Awaiting your advice.  

                             

                            When I opened my saved as .pref file, all of the  Pixel Aspec instances show <PixelAspectRatio>10,11</PixelAspectRatio>, and <FrameRect>0,0,720,480</FrameRect> (I was expectng something different).

                            • 12. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                              A.T. Romano Community Member

                              Buddycat

                               

                              It is easy enough to change your NTSC DV Standard into NTSC DV Widescreen type project editing the Notepad document of the saved project.prel file.

                               

                              If you have set for a NTSC DV Standard project, you can give that a NTSC DV Widescreen project look by changing ALL the Notepad incidents of the following

                               

                              FROM

                               

                              <PixelAspectRatio>10,11</PixelAspect Ratio>

                              <FrameRect>0,0,720,480</FrameRect>

                               

                              TO

                               

                              <PixelAspectRatio>40,33</PixelAspectRatio>

                              <FrameRect>0,0,720,480</FrameRect>

                               

                              And, if you if you set for a NTSC DV Widescreen project, you can give that a NTSC DV Standard project look by changing ALL the Notepad incidents of the following

                               

                              FROM

                               

                              <PixelAspectRatio>40,33</PixelAspectRatio>

                              <FrameRect<0,0,720,480</FrameRect>

                               

                              TO

                               

                              <PixelAspectRatio>10,11</PixelAspectRatio>

                              <FrameRect<0,0,720,480</FrameRect>

                               

                              Note that the second line (<FrameRect<0,0,720,480</FrameRect>) is not changing...just that first line starting with <PixelAspectRatio etc.

                               

                              But here is the key to all this. We need to nail down the properties of the source media going into a project so that we can set the project preset to match the properties of your source media. At this point, I suspect that your source media is 720 x 480, but beyond that I am not sure. Did we ever get a complete MediaInfo (tree view) properties read out for that video. Unless we have that to back us up we will be going around in circles with the remedy suggested above...one that I am not sure if it really applies to your case.

                              http://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo

                               

                              At any rate, your look into the Notepad document of your saved project prel file confirms that you have a project set for NTSC DV Standard. But, the big question is does that match the properties of your "720 x 480" 4:3

                              that you are describing for your source media?

                               

                              See if you can post the MediaInfo (tree view) screenshot. It is likely to clear up a lot of matters here.

                               

                              Looking forward to your follow up.

                               

                              Thanks.

                               

                              ATR

                              • 13. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                Buddycat Community Member

                                Yes, the source is 720 x 480.   It's a HD camera that I was shooting at 4:3 720 x 480 at the time because I hadn't upgraded to be able to hand HD editing on the PC I formerly had.   The camera does that letterboxing I guess to simulate widescreen, as you saw on some of the videos on my Youtube channel.

                                 

                                My one concern with changing the aspect to widescreen is that when Ifirst burned these three videos related to my trip as widescreen format, the wipe transitions were no longer correct.   They were sort of ....off center, and imcmoplete, for lack of a way to descrbe it.   It wasn't until I burned the files as 4:3 aspect ratio that they looked correct.  

                                 

                                Anyway, here's what it shows.

                                 

                                Mediainfo.jpg

                                • 14. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                  A.T. Romano Community Member

                                  Buddycat

                                   

                                  We need to look at the "tree" view for the MediaInfo properties readout. To get at that

                                  a. Go to View Menu/Tree

                                  or

                                  b. Click on the arrow at the end of the Note in the middle of that page that you show in the screenshot.

                                   

                                  Very interesting so far, seems that you have 720 x 480 16:9 @ 59.940 frames per second. Need to know if

                                  what you have is interlaced or progressive, and, if interlaced, Upper or Lower Field First. With that abbreviated decription shown, I suspect that we will see interlaced, probably Upper Field First. But, let us see what the details show.

                                   

                                  Thanks.

                                   

                                  ATR

                                  • 15. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                    Buddycat Community Member

                                    Apparently, it's Progressive.

                                     

                                    Here ya go.

                                     

                                    Mediainfo expanded.png

                                    • 16. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                      A.T. Romano Community Member

                                      Buddycat

                                       

                                      That is one interesting blend of properties in the properties readout in your screenshot.

                                       

                                      Please confirm what we are looking at in the screenshot of your latest post. Is that actual (original) footage from your camera that was supposed to be recording 720 x 480 4:3 which you describe as DVD quality? If so, what was the brand and model of the camera used. If not, how did we get to what is in that screenshot?

                                       

                                      What you show in that screenshot would be classed as AVCHD LITE

                                      AVCHD video compression

                                      Frame Size 720 x 480

                                      (since it says display aspect ratio 16:9, I am assuming that there has to be a 16:9 flag in there somewhere to stretch the video for display after encoding)

                                      Frame Size 59.94 progressive frames per second

                                       

                                      The closest fit that comes to mind for that and Premiere Elements would be in

                                      NTSC DV Widescreen

                                      If the video is presenting in Premiere Elements as 4:3 instead of 16:9, we could go the Interpret Footage route,

                                      changing the Pixel Aspect Ratio from what is showing to D1/DV NTSC Widescreen 16:9 (1.2121)

                                       

                                      But, please recap regarding the above and then we will think about this some more.

                                       

                                      ATR

                                      • 17. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                        A.T. Romano Community Member

                                        Buddycat

                                         

                                        In your very first post you mentioned "letterboxing". My understanding of that is that camera make 4:3 video look like 16:9 by masking the top and bottom of the 4:3. The frame size says the same, but what you see is different.

                                         

                                        By an chance could your video problems be traced to a camera letterboxing feature that sometimes you have on and sometimes off?

                                         

                                        ATR

                                         

                                        Add On...I am not sure if we have arrived at converting letterbox to full screen, but here is a link I found with a suggestion on how to approach that idea.

                                        http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/50716-Changing-letterbox-to-full-screen

                                         

                                        I will look around for more of the same if this turns out to be at the core of your present issues.

                                        • 18. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                          Buddycat Community Member

                                          I don't think that's the case - there's no letterboxing feature.   It's just old enought that the viewscreen is still 4:3 format, but the only settng I have for resolution is DVD 60 fps.    I think it's still just a matter of I didnt check that "force selected project settings".

                                          • 19. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                            Buddycat Community Member

                                            Getting back to this after several weeks, I just changed one of my prefs as you suggested and either we had a miscommunication or this just doesn't do what I want it to do.   In my editing window, this is what my footage looks like in the editing pane:

                                            B & N Excellent AN Adv 1 original jpeg.jpg

                                             

                                            However, changing to "widescreen" now makes the footage I am editing to look like end results I hae online currently:

                                            B & N Excellent AN Adv 1 widescreen jpeg.jpg

                                             

                                            AS you can see,- huge black borders.   So what I need is for my end result file not look like the above - it should be more like the orignal (bythe way, the "widescreen" doesn't look as "squished" as the picture implies).

                                            • 20. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                              A.T. Romano Community Member

                                              Buddycat

                                               

                                              Please recap....referring to your post numbered 19.

                                               

                                              Screenshot top...what is the project preset set at for that one?

                                              Screenshot bottom...what is the project preset set at for that one?

                                               

                                              What are the properties of the source video that imported into the project in the upper screenshot?

                                              What are the properties of the source video that imported into the project in the lower screenshot?

                                               

                                              Does that video audio properties that you showed in post 15 correspond to the videos displayed in your latest post 19?

                                               

                                              Thanks.

                                               

                                              ATR

                                              • 21. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                Buddycat Community Member

                                                Okay, I may have confused things, but, to answer your question -

                                                 

                                                The first, original project (top window), the pixel aspect ratio is D1/Dv NTSC .09091.

                                                 

                                                After making the changes you recommended, I created a new project, using Notepad.     The settings  for this new one shows 720 x 480, and the pixel aspect is D1/DV NTSC NTSC 16:9 widescreen.   (1.2121).   When I export a file with that, you get the picture below the original in post #19.    Same thing as if you put it in a player - I probably shouldn't have put it in my editor - that just confused things.  

                                                • 22. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                  A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                  Buddycat

                                                   

                                                  Thanks for reminding me in another of your threads today that this issue was still pending.

                                                   

                                                  I am responding now to move this thread to the top of the current threads showing. I will work on this tonight or tomorrow. Right now it is pushing midnight where I am.

                                                   

                                                  More later.

                                                   

                                                  ATR

                                                  • 23. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                    A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                    Buddycat

                                                     

                                                    We have come a long way around those black borders and orientations for your video. At this point, I am driven to look outside the box for a fix. Your posted video audio properties have continuously  defied viewing video expectations. So, Premiere Elements users forgive me, but I think this will work in spite of what you about read

                                                     

                                                    Open Premiere Elements 11 to the Expert workspace

                                                    Set Project Preset manually

                                                    File Menu/New/Project

                                                    NTSC/FLIP/Flip Mino HD and Ultra HD30

                                                    Close out of there, making sure to put a check mark next to "Force Selected Project Setting on This Project"

                                                     

                                                    Back in the Premiere Elements 11 Expert workspace

                                                    Import your video into the project via Add Media/Files and Folders/Project Assets from where you will drag your video to the Timeline. The video should fit full in the Edit Mode monitor. Remove any traces of black borders with scaling.

                                                     

                                                    Note: To the best of my understanding of the Buddycat video that we have imported, it is

                                                    720 x 480 @ 59.94 progressive frames per second, with a Display Aspect Ratio = 16:9.

                                                     

                                                    For the export...

                                                    Publish+Share

                                                    Computer

                                                    AVCHD

                                                    with preset = MP4 - H.264 1920 x 1080p30

                                                     

                                                    BUT under the Advanced Button of the preset, it should be set exactly as

                                                     

                                                    BuddycatPreset.JPG

                                                    The Bitrate that got cut off at the bottom of the screenshot is

                                                    Target Bitrate = 32 Mbps

                                                    Maximum Bitrate = 40 Mbps

                                                    Leave them as is for now. Can be altered if file size problems.

                                                     

                                                    The end result should be

                                                    720 x 480 @59.94 progressive frames per second (Display Aspect Ratio = 16.9)

                                                    AVCHD (MPEG4 AVC/H.264).mp4

                                                    No Black Borders

                                                    Playable in Windows Media Player 12 Full Screen

                                                     

                                                    Verdict pending.

                                                     

                                                    ATR

                                                    • 24. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                      Buddycat Community Member

                                                      Interesting.    Let me try that in the next 24 hours or so and I'll get back to you.  Thanks!

                                                      • 25. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                        A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                        Buddycat

                                                         

                                                        Thank you for your spirit of adventure in trying out the suggested workflow in post 23.

                                                         

                                                        I have road tested this, starting with a source personally constructed to the specifications of your video (as per the MediaInfo readout) and it worked....no black borders and good look.

                                                         

                                                        I am keeping positive thoughts that this will work for you also.

                                                         

                                                        ATR

                                                        • 26. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                          Buddycat Community Member

                                                          Okay, quick question.   When you say "scaling", do you mean clicking on the video in the edit window, and drag the corners out until it fits, or do you mean a function I'm unaware of?

                                                          • 27. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                            A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                            Buddycat

                                                             

                                                            I think that you must be referring to the following in my post numbered 23

                                                             

                                                            Back in the Premiere Elements 11 Expert workspace

                                                            Import your video into the project via Add Media/Files and Folders/Project Assets from where you will drag your video to the Timeline. The video should fit full in the Edit Mode monitor.

                                                            Remove any traces of black borders with scaling.

                                                            If that is it, click on the Edit Mode monitor to bring up the bounding box for the image. Use one of the bounding box's handles essentially to scale (width & height together) to get rid of any black edges that might be present. If present, they should be minor, very minor. No more than minor, very minor.

                                                             

                                                            If you want to do just scale width or just scale height, then remove the check mark next to Constrain Proportions in Motion Panel expanded. It should not have to come to that.

                                                             

                                                            ATR

                                                            • 28. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                              Buddycat Community Member

                                                              Untitled.jpgBefore

                                                               

                                                              Untitled2.jpgAfter

                                                               

                                                              Is this what you mean?    Will I lose any resolution?

                                                              • 29. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                                A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                                Buddycat

                                                                 

                                                                If the first screenshot is what you are getting before scaling, those are black borders not very minor black edges.

                                                                 

                                                                Tomorrow I will post screenshots of what I got when I took a model source (with all the properties displayed in your video properties readout) and ran it through the workflow that I described.

                                                                 

                                                                Let me show you my results and then we can compared notes. I do not know if testing a sample of your the video that you are displaying via screenshot will help.

                                                                 

                                                                Please review the video properties readout in post 15 and let me know if there have been any changes there from then until now.

                                                                 

                                                                ATR

                                                                • 30. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                                  Buddycat Community Member

                                                                  It occured to me that the picture above represents the file I initially burned.   The original source clips would be a pain to put into a new project and re-edit.   I hope this doesn't affect what we're trying to accomplish here.     Checking its properties, it's now 29.97 fps.   Don't know if that makes a difference.  Here's the new Mediainfo:Untitled 3.jpg   I haven't attemtped to burn it after scaling the video up yet, just to make sure we're on the same page.

                                                                  • 31. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                                    A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                                    Buddycat

                                                                     

                                                                    The 29.97 interlaced frames per second vs the 59.94 progressive frames

                                                                    720 x 480 4:3 vs 720 x 480 16:9

                                                                     

                                                                    make my latest attempt to salvage your footage meaningless.

                                                                     

                                                                    Please confirm that you using, at this time, Premiere Elements 11 on Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 64 bit?

                                                                     

                                                                    In view of the MediaInfo properties readout for what you say you are now using, it should be a clear cut case of

                                                                     

                                                                    Project Preset = NTSC DV Standard

                                                                    (set that manually so that you know for sure that is the project preset and that the Premiere Elements is not messing up on that)

                                                                     

                                                                    Export example

                                                                     

                                                                    for AVCHD.mp4 720 x 480 4:3

                                                                     

                                                                    Publish+Share

                                                                    Computer

                                                                    AVCHD

                                                                    with preset = MP4- NTSC DV Standard

                                                                     

                                                                    or

                                                                     

                                                                    for DVD-VIDEO Standard on DVD disc

                                                                     

                                                                    Publish+Share

                                                                    Disc

                                                                    DVD disc

                                                                    with preset = NTSC Dolby DVD

                                                                     

                                                                    or

                                                                     

                                                                    for YouTube Upload

                                                                     

                                                                    Publish+Share

                                                                    Online

                                                                    YouTube

                                                                    with preset = Flash Video for YouTube

                                                                    OR

                                                                    upload the AVCHD.mp4 (described above) to YouTube at the YouTube web site.

                                                                     

                                                                    If you still have black borders in any of the above, then you need to take a hard look at the device that is recording your video and what is happening to that video on the route from the camera.

                                                                     

                                                                    We will be watching for further developments.

                                                                     

                                                                    ATR

                                                                    • 32. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                                      Buddycat Community Member

                                                                      Rats.   I was SO hoping this would solve the problme.    The edited together video looks fine (albeit with black borders on the top and bottom) - in the Edit window, but still, when I export it, I get the borders on the sides.   And by the way, it looks blurry to me.   This is what I got when I exported as 720 x 480 AVCHD MP4 NTSC

                                                                       

                                                                      Untitled 4.jpg

                                                                       

                                                                      It's like it shrinks it down or something.   Is it possible that my actualy video image is not 720 x 480?   Maybe it's only 720 x 480 if you count the black bars?   Thus, it makes a 4:3 simulate 16:9?

                                                                      • 33. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                                        A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                                        Buddycat

                                                                         

                                                                        That letterboxing question is what I asked you way back when regarding your camera recording?

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                        17. A.T. Romano,

                                                                         

                                                                            

                                                                          Oct 21, 2013 9:31 PM    in reply to Buddycat 

                                                                        Buddycat

                                                                         

                                                                        In your very first post you mentioned "letterboxing". My understanding of that is that camera make 4:3 video look like 16:9 by masking the top and bottom of the 4:3. The frame size says the same, but what you see is different.

                                                                         

                                                                        By an chance could your video problems be traced to a camera letterboxing feature that sometimes you have on and sometimes off?

                                                                         

                                                                        ATR

                                                                         

                                                                        Add On...I am not sure if we have arrived at converting letterbox to full screen, but here is a link I found with a suggestion on how to approach that idea.

                                                                        http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/50716-Changing-letterbox-to-full-sc reen

                                                                         

                                                                        I will look around for more of the same if this turns out to be at the core of your present issues.

                                                                         

                                                                        Right now Yes seems the appropriate answer to your question

                                                                        Is it possible that my actualy video image is not 720 x 480?   Maybe it's only 720 x 480 if you count the black bars?   Thus, it makes a 4:3 simulate 16:9?

                                                                        Can you contact the manufacturer of the camera to verify what you believe you are recording?

                                                                         

                                                                        Please update us on your progress.

                                                                         

                                                                        Thanks.

                                                                         

                                                                        ATR

                                                                         

                                                                        Add On...At this point, scaling the video to fit the space in the Edit Mode monitor may be the major way to salvage what you have.

                                                                        • 34. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                                          Buddycat Community Member

                                                                          (Sigh)   I was afraid of that.     BTW yes this is PE11, and I believe my OS is 8.1.   So I would lose resolution, then, if I scale it up, would I not?   Yes, it does appear in the camera viewfinder that it letterboxes.   It is also 60F ordinarily, I also noticed (D1).   But that still doesn't explain why some videos have the letter boxing and others don't.   All I can figure is that since I didn't force the setting at the start of the project, as you noted, I guess the's no way to get full screen when it's exported.   Very disappointing..

                                                                           

                                                                          I appreciate your help, in any case.

                                                                           

                                                                          (By the way, I bought your book and have already employed a couple of the techniques)

                                                                          • 35. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                                            A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                                            Buddycat

                                                                             

                                                                            I do not write or sell books. I do write a blog (free, no ads) to keep track of my Premiere Elements adventures. I suspect that you might be referring to the activities of the forum moderator Steve Grisetti.

                                                                             

                                                                            Back to you situation....

                                                                             

                                                                            I can see letterboxing versus non letterboxing initially when we were dealing with these videos with the display aspect ratio of 16:9.

                                                                             

                                                                            But, in the present situation with those 720 x 480 4:3 video specifications, that letterboxing is hard to buy.

                                                                             

                                                                            Do you have the time to take a look at the 720 x 480 4:3 file in Project Assets of your Premiere Elements 11? If so, right click the video thumbnail and select Properties. When you do, what do you see for pixel aspect ratio? Is it 0.9091 or something else?

                                                                             

                                                                            It is hard to get a handle on how your camera might be giving you a 4:3 frame and have within it the scene displaying at pixel dimensions less than frame size to give you those black borders.

                                                                             

                                                                            Is the camera's User Manual available somewhere so that we might study it for clues?

                                                                             

                                                                            Thanks.

                                                                             

                                                                            ATR

                                                                            • 36. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                                              Buddycat Community Member

                                                                              Wups.   You're right.   My bad.  

                                                                               

                                                                              Anyway, yes, the pixel aspect ratio is .9091.   This is the camera: .  http://www.amazon.com/Aiptek-A-HD-Pro-Definition-Camcorder/dp/B001H0GGYG  (It cost about tripple or more when I first got it!). 

                                                                               

                                                                              Two things to note from theat page:  1, these are MOV files.   When I export them, of course, they become MPEG fiels.   Second, if you'll notice int he customer example video.... full screen.   (with letter boxing).    Now how did htey manage that?

                                                                              • 37. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                                                A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                                                Buddycat

                                                                                 

                                                                                I will check out the link and see if I can put this together - the video source, editing, export, and the player settings.

                                                                                 

                                                                                More later.

                                                                                 

                                                                                ATR

                                                                                • 38. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                                                  Buddycat Community Member

                                                                                  If it would help expedite things, I'd be happy to send you a brief file clip to play around with.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  One other thought.   I think I may've mentioned this before, but when I was working with PE7, I learned from the forum (possilby even from you - this was several years ago) that some of my clips, for some odd reason, were interpreted incorrectly.   By changing the footage to square pixels, rather than .9091 (I think), it corrected the files to 4:3.   Don't know if this is somehow related, but figured I'd mention it.

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Getting the proper Aspect Ratio or full picture size on Youtube - PE 11
                                                                                    A.T. Romano Community Member

                                                                                    Buddycat

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Great idea.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Please double check to assure that the video sample is the same that you are currently working with and which is ending up displaying with the black borders in

                                                                                    import

                                                                                    or

                                                                                    edit

                                                                                    or

                                                                                    export.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Are you going to set it up as a link to Dropbox or something else?

                                                                                     

                                                                                    ATR

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Add Ons....

                                                                                     

                                                                                    If you have a video 720 x 480 4:3 with a pixel aspect ratio of 0.9091 and you change the pixel aspect ratio to square pixels, you have 720 x 480 which is not 4:3.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    The 720 x 480 with the pixel aspect ratio of 0.9091 represents

                                                                                    720 x 480 non square pixel which is equivalent to

                                                                                    640 x 480 square pixels which is the 4:3.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    When do you recall doing this file change?

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Anyway....I will base my findings on what the video audio properties readout shows and deal with what we actually have. But, whatever you send, please double check that this is the final variant of what you are trying to get to finished export.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    By the way, please remind what format of the export we are aiming for without black borders.

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