34 Replies Latest reply: Oct 24, 2013 11:01 AM by JSS1138 RSS

    Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?

    John Ellenberger Community Member

      I am merrily using my CS6 Suite (mostly Primiere, Photoshop, AE) but looming in the back of my mind is this choice I have to make since there will be no CS7.  Have received nothing from the company...not even promos even though I have licenses going back to Photoshop 2.  Not a good sign.

       

      Has anybody ran across a thoughtful analysis of what it means to move from an installed Suite (I usually upgraded, sometimes skipped a version) to this Cloud thingy?  Personally having a hard time coming to grips with $50+/month for life so I am hoping there is something more reasonable than paying for stuff I am not going to use(?)

       

      Any blogs?  Magazine articles? 

        • 2. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
          John Ellenberger Community Member

          Ok that post was interesting since it matches my emotional reaction, however since I work at a big company I know that are pretty slow to change strategies that have been publicly announced so does anybody have something from the "grin and bear it" (or at least groan and bear it) perspective.

          • 3. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
            JSS1138 CommunityMVP

            I think you've gotten to the crux of the issue.  Many people are making decisions based on an emotional reaction rather than a practical evaluation.  Not all, perhaps, but certainly many.

             

            The fact is that CC versions are a significant step up from CS6 versions, and that gap will only continue to widen as time goes on and CC is updated.

            • 4. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
              John T Smith CommunityMVP

              As Jim says... does CS6 do everything you want NOW, and are you sure CS6 will ALWAYS do everything you want?

               

              If you never change your workflow (same computer and same edit files) you should be good to stay with CS6 "forever"

               

              A new computer and/or new files to edit MAY mean you will be forced to change away from CS6

              -CS6 works on Win8... but what about Win9?

              -new codecs from new cameras may not work on CS6

               

              I will never go to the Cloud... but I only edit home video so I have absolute control over my hardware and software and the camera I use... that may not be possible in a company

              • 5. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                denez mcadoo Community Member

                I wouldn't go so far as to say I "love" the subscription model, but the practical argument I made with myself was a simple one:

                 

                50 X 12  = 600

                 

                So, yeah, the same as a yearly update. If you skipped a version, then it's 50 X 24 = 1200. Roughly the same as the full price suite without the previous-eddition-discount. If you have no plan to update the software, well buddy, there's always 6SC, or heck, go for an even older version of the program. Running outdated software shouldn't be a problem for you.

                • 6. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                  cc_merchant Community Member

                  And even more on monetary conclusions. Talk to you in 5 years time, when you have spent more than € 5K on the Cash Cow..

                  • 7. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                    Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                    [Moved to the Video Lounge]

                    • 8. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                      denez mcadoo Community Member

                      I live in the US, so I'm not terribly familiar with the euro, but $50 times 12 months times 5 years equals $3000 us dollars. Converted to (the current rate) euros, that is about 2200 EUR, less then half of your estimation, but still a pretty big number as far as numbers go.

                       

                      Now this might be just me, but I would consertivly say that over the course of 5 years I would have updated my Creative Suite at least once. Well at $2599 a pop for the master collection, or lets be fair and say $1899 a pop for any of the Premium collections, multiplied times 2 (1 original purchase and 1 upgrade), you would have spent $3798 dollars ($5198 for the Master Collection). I don't feel like doing the math, but you could convert that to euros yourself and realise that if you intend to upgrade (which I'm assuming most professionals do), then CC could actually be cheaper.

                       

                      If you don't plan to upgrade, that's fine to, but you are self identifying as someone who doesn't mind using outdated software. Well CS6 is there for you.

                      • 9. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                        denez mcadoo Community Member

                        I want to apologize in advance for sounding like a shill for Creative Cloud. There are things about it that I would like to see changed as well. I'm just very surprised that every forum on this topic is overtaken by seeming professionals who make it seem like this is a big money grab on the part of Adobe. When in reality, I think the model is actually saving me money while at the same time providing me with a lot of tools that uniquely benefit me as a professional.

                         

                        Frankly, I truly think that if you hate the CC subscription model, then you have no one but the millions of people with pirated copies of Photoshop to thank. I think (I don't in fact know) that this is why adobe made the move.

                        • 10. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                          Community Member

                          You seem like a smart person.. so I'm not gonna explain a lot or make footnotes....cause you will understand the gist of what I have to say.

                           

                          First off, the revolution of computers over the past 15 years has been demonstrative, both in offset press work ( magazines, newspapers etc ) and in VIDEO and page design ( web and print ).

                           

                          The 'market' as we knew it in the past ( publishers and printers and film distribution etc ) is in a state of change.. in other words, it is changing as we speak.

                           

                          The PC desktop ( and mac etc , which includes imagesetters, and other computers you never maybe heard about used in pro markets ) is a part of that " change".

                           

                          Assuming there are high tech markets for high quality magazines that get printed on paper ( chrome stock ) with 5 color CMYK separations, and books that are published and bound, and a world wide 'market' for that ( including design aspects ).... you really have no clue what that market is like unless you are as BIG and as INVOLVED as a company like ADOBE.

                          Just the PDF publishing for GOVT agencies alone ( see USGS MAPS , or... Social Security Applications ONLINE, or any number of PDF dependent communications )... is HUGE.

                           

                          So whats your point ????  A subscription service vs. a boxed version.  THAT is your main point.  This has nothing to do with pirates or kid stuff.. This is a world wide market place that is so beyond your use of the programs you have NO CLUE what you're talking about.

                           

                          Now, take this tidbit of info a bit further and project what is going on in the world and the " MARKET" for smart phones and users of products like video, print, communication, social networking etc..... and now you get a view of what the CEO of Adobe is looking at....

                           

                          I am so sick of this stupid talk about cloud subscription, boxes, internet connectivity , etc....just do what is best for yourself and your own business...

                           

                          hehe.. sorry.. but thats the way it is...

                           

                           

                           

                          ps

                          pirates dont make money on the products ( software ).. they are just idiots playing around.. they cant hurt unless they are protected by their own governments.. like china ?  half that govt uses pirated products .... think about it.

                          • 11. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                            Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                            That isn't what they said. What Adobe said was that they would be able to come out with new features faster. They have already done so at least once since July and are about to release a HUGE upgrade this month.

                             

                            They said that they wanted to encourage and enable collaboration. They have come out with CC only tools that help with that.

                             

                            They have even put out new CC only products like Muse.

                             

                            I understand what the complaints are, but for me, personally, since I dropped out after CS3 and came back for CS6, the cost of the monthly subscription, at least in the near term, is substantially less than the amount I would have had to cough up for the Master Collection.

                             

                            The majority of the people who are complaining already own CS6 and they can't see the advantages of the subscription method like those of us who had to start fresh. There are those who have to go back and open really old projects and if they don't continue to pay Adobe they will lose that ability. It is a valid complaint.

                             

                            So, as has been said, decide for yourself. What is important to you?

                            • 12. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                              John Ellenberger Community Member

                              Would like try and get everybody to discuss the practical aspects of the licensing (my original request).  I work for one of the largest software companies in the world and I did early work in the cloud for their research group so I am not really interested in a discussion about the benefits of the cloud--I know them and actually agree with them.  For me its all about the licensing in this particular case.

                               

                              1)  Near as I can tell in the old model I had a lot more control over my cost because I could chose from a number of bundles that were cheaper than buying everything individually but they were still focused so I didn't end up buying Dreamweaver if I mostly did video work.   Just glancing at the new license model it seems I have fewer options in this regard.

                               

                              2)  As to upgading I think I was fairly normal in that if Adobe let me skip a version l would consider whether or not there were features I really wanted before shelling out the upgrade price every time.  I actually found this took a fair amount of restraint because as a tecchie I tend to want the latest and greatest.  So calculating that I would upgrade every year is not realistic.

                               

                              3) A lot of these programs are pretty mature so the chance of having a bunch of gee wiz must have features seems to have a low proability.

                               

                              What I was hoping for was something along the lines of "I do video production using Adobe programs x, y, z.  My cost in the old model was $nnnn and in the new model if I assume the following assumptions it would cost me $mmm.  I looked at the competitive offerings and the cheap/more expensive.   etc.

                               

                              May have to do that myself I guess but was kind of hoping somebody would post there factual analysis.

                              • 13. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                denez mcadoo Community Member

                                Steven, I totally agree. I though it was more of a scam that Adobe would release a new itteration of the CS suite, whether it was totally needed or not.  Not to get all conspiritorial, but I had a feeling that it was in Adobes best interest to hold out on some features, knowing that it was better to spread out it's big updates across multiple releases. You know, to avoid, lets say, CS7 being killer with new technology, and CS7.5 being kind of a dud. Instead you release some features  in this itteration, and hold out on some so that you can justify people buying your product all over again. I have no idea if this was the case, but still, the constant updates of CC has me excited. So far I'm impressed.

                                • 14. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                  lasvideo CommunityMVP

                                  Thinking of signing up for the @adobe Creative Cloud? Some of these horror stories might change your mind. http://forums.adobe.com/community/creative_cloud

                                   

                                  Remember to change your passwords and check your bank account for the next several month to make sure the hackers  that got all that sensitive data from Adobe don't access your accounts.

                                   

                                  New Adobe Survey. If you are not happy with CC being the only choice, let them know. http://deploy.ztelligence.com/start/survey/survey_taking.jsp?PIN=16BNF7XXXKLNX

                                  • 15. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                    jasonvp Community Member

                                    John Ellenberger wrote:

                                     

                                    Would like try and get everybody to discuss the practical aspects of the licensing (my original request).

                                    I was staunchly against the monthly licensing idea to begin with, but I thought about it for a while and decided to change my mind.  I did so for a few reasons that, as a professional, may NOT apply to you.  I'm an amateur that does video editing purely for fun and I never hope to nor intend to make any money off of it.

                                    • I use only 2 of Adobe's apps, and have literally no intention of changing that.  Premiere and Photoshop, and that's it. I don't need nor want the whole suite, so I'm not renting it.  I'm only renting the aforementioned; it may seem wasteful to rent 2 vs all of them when you consider the price difference, but over several years I'll save money.
                                    • I don't save projects.  Literally.  When I'm done cutting a video, I export it to MP4, upload it to YouTube, and I'm done.  So if I decide to stop renting CC and go back to CS6, I won't lose any work.  This is a big deal, and needs to be approached really carefully.
                                    • Adobe is throwing more tech at Premiere CC than it ever will CS6.  Specifically, multi-GPU support!  It's already been tested, and Premiere scales linearly with added GPUs (of the same type).  I find that intriguing as it has the potential to speed up my exports.
                                    • I'm not using any of the collaborative stuff.  I'm not storing my work on Adobe's servers.  I'm not using any of the other "cloud-like" software or services that come along with CC because I sincerely don't care about any of it.  At all.  What I'm after is the tech in Premiere that will never be seen in CS6.

                                     

                                    Those are my reasons for changing my mind.  It may seem like I "sold out", and if folks want to look at it that way, they're more than welcome to.  I can and will jump back into CS6 if I decide the financials aren't there for me in the future, and it won't interrupt anything I'm doing.  That may and probably won't apply to most other folks who are editing big features or commercials or whatever.

                                    • 16. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                      Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                      It is difficult to be totally objective, but I will try as best I can.

                                       

                                      The subscription method was great for me, and terrible for others. It really is a very personal decision based on your business model, the type of work you do, the programs you use regularly and the programs you only use once in a blue moon.

                                       

                                      And yes, people can attack Adobe and get your information. Apparently, easier than they should be able to.

                                       

                                      Let's start with the "great for me" part.

                                       

                                      I use Premiere Pro, After Effects, Photoshop, Lightroom, Acrobat, Muse, Dreamweaver, Speedgrade (I will soon anyway), Illustrator, Audition and Bridge, And I probably need to figure out Prelude. I may one day figure out the Edge apps also.

                                       

                                      I put my photos on Behance and Prosite and I plan on using the file storage for new projects.

                                       

                                      Also, I can legally have the software on two computers at the same time and use both.Even if one is a PC and the other a Mac.

                                       

                                      I pay a monthly fee. I never upgraded to CS4, or CS5.5. So to get these programs I would have had to pay a LOT of money up front. I could have, but chose not to. Yes, I may end up paying more this way since I can't just skip a version to save money. I don't have to upgrade but I have to pay.

                                       

                                      I don't go back to old projects so if I stop paying Adobe it will not have an effect on me. I can either use other programs or start paying Adobe again.

                                       

                                      As for the mature products, some of them are getting overhauls that might surprise you.

                                       

                                      Let's address one more "great" option before we go the other way.

                                       

                                      Adobe came out with a subscription model for photographers. Photoshop and Lightroom for only $9.99/month. That is a HUGE savings.

                                       

                                      OK, time to talk about the evil Adobe empire.

                                       

                                      If you stop paying you lose everything. Well, you lose the ability to work on your existing projects. The files still exist on your hard drive but you can't open the projects.

                                       

                                      For some people that is horrible. They go back and work on older projects, especially corporate stuff all the time.

                                       

                                      As I said, you may end up paying more this way.

                                       

                                      And what if you only use one product? That costs $20/month. But if you use two or more and are not a teacher or student, or not a parent, child or spouse of one, you pay $50 per month whether you use any programs that month or not.

                                       

                                      You pay and pay and you never actually own the right to use it. Stop paying and you are dead in the water 30 days later.

                                       

                                      And what I consider the worst part? If you don't live in the United States you really get shafted on the price. Overseas customers pay a LOT more and not only due to taxes and fees. Adobe charges them more for reasons I can't comprehend.

                                       

                                      Yes, there are other products from other companies. There are learning curves to consider, and for many, the Adobe Products have the necessary features that other programs do not have. But at what price?

                                       

                                      As I said, it is a personal decision based on your business model, and the size of your wallet, and the amount of pain you can afford to deal with by changing products.

                                       

                                      -------------

                                       

                                      I can't quote actual numbers because the subscription model has me using more programs than I used to use. Even more than when I got it al free for being a beta tester, years ago.

                                       

                                      All I can say is that I know it will cost more in the long run, it ties me to Adobe even more than before, and I was tied to Adobe pretty tightly. But the benefits outweigh the problems. For me.

                                       

                                      You have to decide for you.

                                      • 17. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                        denez mcadoo Community Member

                                        Just a quick thought. But if my work is using Creative Cloud, would I then be able to log in at home on the same account? Effectivly getting the full Adobe Suite for free for home use (of course as long as I worked there)?

                                         

                                        Right now I have CC at home and my work uses CS6, so I can test this out. But I was thinking, if or when my company makes the switch, would I (or should I) need to keep paying for CC?

                                        • 18. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                          jasonvp Community Member

                                          denez mcadoo wrote:

                                           

                                          But I was thinking, if or when my company makes the switch, would I (or should I) need to keep paying for CC?

                                          Yes, you'd need to continue paying for CC unless you wanted to steal corporate property.  The license that would be purchased for you to use at work would be your corporation's property, not yours.

                                          • 20. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                            tclark513 Community Member

                                            You pay and pay and you never actually own the right to use it. Stop paying and you are dead in the water 30 days later.

                                            That about sums it up Steven!

                                            • 21. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                              Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                              That about sums it up Steven!

                                              John asked for objective, I did my best to provide that.

                                               

                                              I just accounted for the monthly payment in my retirement calculations. It is sitting in the spreadsheet under "S" for "Software" between "Showtime" (the cable TV channel) and  "Sporting Goods". (It is a very detailed spreadsheet. I don't want to miss anything and run out of money when I retire.)

                                               

                                              If I put away enough money to pay Adobe every month on the Interest or growth in my retirement accounts, I need to put away about $15,000. That sounds like a lot, but remember I am only using the interest, none of the principle. If I calculate it out to the age of 90, running out of money at that time, figuring I won't be on the PC anymore at that age, it comes to a lot less money that needs to be put aside. And yes, I counted on price increases slightly above cost of living estimates.

                                              • 22. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                Community Member

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                                                If I calculate it out to the age of 90, running out of money at that time, figuring I won't be on the PC anymore

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                                                If you are, Steve, you will need to use a really big magnifying glass to see the text on screen, cause it will be about a gazillion px wide ( 4k ? ).. and you'll have to buy a bigger house to put a flat screen on the wall....

                                                 

                                                Are you coming back to the lounge project in this lifetime, you warthog ?  We have things for you to shoot... and things to talk about.

                                                 

                                                Not only THAT.. but somewhere between the letter S and the letter R in your files I want to make sure you have a note that says " Give Rodney A HAMBURGER ! "  as I will probably be in a tent city near your home in another 30 years....

                                                 

                                                 

                                                • 23. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                  JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                  Would like try and get everybody to discuss the practical aspects of the licensing (my original request).

                                                   

                                                  To my mind, there's not much to discuss.  If you want your job to be easier, faster and better, then you want the latest version.  (And yes, there's still a LOT of room for improvement/new features.)

                                                   

                                                  That means subscription.  There's no choice here.  You don't discuss it, you just do it and get on with the editing.

                                                  • 24. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                    Biggles Lamb Community Member

                                                    John

                                                     

                                                    I cannot understand why users have adopted the CC system.

                                                     

                                                    Personally I have 8 sources of HD video footage that I use in edits, most AVCHD HD and some old MiniDV from tape.

                                                     

                                                    I cut, trim, edit, add sound, colour grade etc all using CS 5.5 Production Premium and it does the job perfetctly well

                                                     

                                                    Why do I need to pay a monthly subscription for updates that may or may nor marginally improve the speed of the edit?

                                                     

                                                    The short answer is that I do not.

                                                     

                                                    I am in the UK and the monthly subscription is presently £46.88 now if I assume that the costs will remain the same for the next ten years and I am a new user of software equivalent to CS Production Suite, then I will end up paying £5625.60 in subscription costs.

                                                     

                                                    Do I need to potentially pay that amount, No.

                                                     

                                                    If it was available and I bought CS 7 Production Premium new now at £1500 then the upgrade every 18 months for 10 years at £300 per upgrade (say 6 upgrades) then over the ten years I would pay a total £3300.

                                                     

                                                    Or looking at it another way Adobe would have extracted an extra £2325 out of me over the ten years if I had subscribed.

                                                     

                                                    Now I do not know about you guys but £2325 is a fair amount of cash that is better in my Bank than Adobe's.

                                                     

                                                    Also some users use the Educational CC package for individuals and hence get a discount so their costs of usage will be substantially less than most, and I wonder when Adobe will realise that it does not take more than 3 or 4 years to get a media Degree, and hence they would be plain stupid to keep users on an Educational CC subscription for more than say 4 years.  If they allow this then it is you the full price subscriber who is subsidizing them.

                                                     

                                                    You do your research, You do the math. You do what is best for you

                                                     

                                                    The CC system does not work for me.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    Col

                                                    • 25. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                      Peru Bob Community Member

                                                      Biggles Lamb wrote:

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      You do your research, You do the math. You do what is best for you

                                                       

                                                      The CC system does not work for me.

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      I did the math.  I have and will continue using CS5.5.

                                                      • 26. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                        Jason R Brandt Community Member

                                                        $375 a year (upgrade Production Premium) vs. $600 a year (Creative Cloud). $225 difference.

                                                         

                                                        Or, as some of us have done, $375 for 2 years (skip an upgrade because it didn't look worth it) vs. $1200.00. $825 difference.

                                                         

                                                        My business is a part-time business. I have a full time job that supports my family (pays the bills) However, I have been hit by the economy like many of us, and the business has had to help cover some of my expenses. I had enough money budgeted for the upgrade to CS7. Not enough for the CC. Now, my bank account balance is under $30 due to purchasing supplies for my current shoot. This shoot will pay well once completed, but that won't be for a few months.

                                                         

                                                        So, if I had gone with the cloud, I would not be able to pay for the subscription price, and would be dead in the water. No software to use to finish the project, no finsihed project, no money.

                                                         

                                                        The problem is not the product of the Creative Cloud software. It is the lack of another option.

                                                         

                                                        Adobe has given an all or nothing option which will not work for me. Yes, I know it works for some of you. But hello, most people are like me. They simply don't have the resources to have a subscription price indefinately.

                                                         

                                                        I wish I could have the CC software. Sounds like it is a great product.

                                                         

                                                        It upsets me that Adobe doesn't want me because I can't afford the subscription.

                                                        • 27. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                          Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                                          I don't see the logic in your statements. I get that looking long term, CC will be more expensive. I don't get your short term issue. If you had purchased the upgrade, had one been available, your bank account would have been depleted a LOT faster, since the upgrade would have been a lot more money out of pocket initially, all up front. You would not have had enough money for the supplies for the upcoming shoot. So you would not have been able to make the money at all.

                                                          • 28. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                            Jason R Brandt Community Member

                                                            Potentially. I also would have been able to budget differently, or gone with another project, etc...

                                                             

                                                            Again, I wish I had the new software. Many are giving it high reviews. My situation is one that shows why a subscription will not work.

                                                             

                                                            John Ellenberger

                                                            "Personally having a hard time coming to grips with $50+/month for life so I am hoping there is something more reasonable than paying for stuff I am not going to use(?)"

                                                             

                                                            This is lost on some. $50 a month for everything Adobe offers is an amazing price. If you would use it all. I only use 5 out of the Production Premium box as is. I don't need, or plan on using, all of the other software.

                                                             

                                                            Analogy time - My 4 person family needs a house.

                                                             

                                                            CC full price option = 24 bedroom, 10 bath, with a pool and a bowling alley for a rent that we may not always be able to afford.  Overkill. A waste since my family would never use it all.

                                                             

                                                            CC single app option = 1 bedroom, 1 bath. Not big enough for my family, and to get the additional bedrooms puts the rent higher than the first option.

                                                             

                                                            Perpetual license option (if it exsited) = $375 for 11 bedroom, 1 bath house that is still too big, but it's paid for. We don't have to worry about being evicted for not paying rent. We can live there as long as we need to.

                                                             

                                                            There is no reason for Adobe to not offer the perpetual license, other than they don't want to. (and don't tell me security, since that has been shown to still be a problem)

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            For John,

                                                            The software is amazing. Adobe is, IMO, the best software out there. It comes down to if you can afford/justify the rent for life. Can you give back the "house" if you decide not to pay the rent?

                                                            • 29. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                              Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                                              We can live there as long as we need to.

                                                              Well, yes. You can. Until you buy an unsupported camera, or decide you need some additional features. or one more of the many programs.

                                                               

                                                              There are a lot of people who will never need to upgrade from CS6, or even earlier versions. God bless the folks who are still watching my tutorials for Premiere Pro 1.5 on Lynda.com - I know they are watching because I keep getting paid. Not a lot of money each month, not anymore, but still enough to pay for my web site.

                                                               

                                                              On the other hand, there are those of us chomping at the bit, waiting for the new features like the ones related to the workflow of Premiere Pro and Speedgrade. Those of us who upgraded every time something new came out (except I almost completely dropped out for a few years). Those of us who love new toys and like to have the latest and greatest. For us, this might be the best way to go. We'll see how it works out over time, but so far, so good.

                                                              • 30. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                                JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                                there are those of us chomping at the bit, waiting for the new features like the ones related to the workflow of Premiere Pro and Speedgrade.

                                                                 

                                                                Yeeeeeah, baby!  Been wanting that since Adobe bought SpeedGrade two years ago.

                                                                • 31. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                                  Biggles Lamb Community Member

                                                                  Great, enjoy

                                                                   

                                                                  However as I already have Red Giants suite of plug in's I have no need for Speedgrade and there is a plus, a really big plus, no a really really big plus.

                                                                   

                                                                  The really big, enormously beneficial plus, and one I cannot live without is that with the money I have already saved and will save I can go out and buy a brand new Canon 5D mark 3

                                                                   

                                                                  So should I go for the Canon 5D mark 3 OR the subscribe to the CC?...................................its a no brainer

                                                                   

                                                                  You enjoy the Cloud, I'll enjoy the new camera, the new iPad, the new mobile, OH the things that I can afford to buy in the next few years with all the money I have or will save in not subscribing.

                                                                   

                                                                  May your cloud float away to your land of dreams.

                                                                   

                                                                  Meanwhile I'll enjoy my new boys toys

                                                                  • 32. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                                    Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                                                    So should I go for the Canon 5D mark 3 OR the subscribe to the CC?...................................its a no brainer

                                                                    I have to agree, that if it comes down to that choice, you must have the Canon 5D Mark III.  I can, without a doubt, say that if that camera had been released before my GH3, or if I knew then what I know now, the 5D would be my choice.

                                                                     

                                                                    However, I seriously doubt that there are many people for whom $50/month is the kind of money that forces that decision. Some, for sure. But not many.

                                                                     

                                                                    I think that most people look at software and hardware separately. I also think that the 5D is so expensive that it would probably have to be twice that much per month if paying it off on a loan.

                                                                     

                                                                    I really believe that most people either consider the $50 a bargain, or inconsequential, or way too much money. Few would take it to that point where it made that kind of difference.

                                                                     

                                                                    I can tell you one thing, and that is that if you own the 5D, you should subscribe to the Photoshop/Lightroom deal for $10/month. The ability to tether your camera to the computer is really a great feature and unfortunately, my camera is not supported. I can tether to a mobile App, but not to Lightroom. The $10 deal is really too good to pass up if you are a serious photographer.

                                                                    • 33. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                                      Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                                                                      I can tell you one thing, and that is that if you own the 5D, you should subscribe to the Photoshop/Lightroom deal for $10/month. The ability to tether your camera to the computer is really a great feature and unfortunately, my camera is not supported. I can tether to a mobile App, but not to Lightroom. The $10 deal is really too good to pass up if you are a serious photographer.

                                                                      And the "deal" appears to be locked it at that level for the future, as long as you take it before the deadline. I'd check on that, but definitely a factor to look at before it expires.

                                                                      • 34. Re: Objective Discussion of Creative Cloud Options?
                                                                        JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                                        with the money I have already saved and will save I can go out and buy a brand new Canon 5D mark 3

                                                                         

                                                                        CC hasn't been the only available option anywhere near long enough for you to have saved that much by not subscribing.  That won't happen for another four+ years, during which it seems safe to conclude that you'd have updated at least once or twice if the perpetual license was still around, so maybe add another couple of years for that total savings to add up to the cost of a 5D III, by which time the camera would be considered obsolete.