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    V8 Catalog converted to V12: V12 Edit result sometimes in wrong time

    Robert Eckerlin Community Member

      I converted my large V8 Catalog to V12.

       

      After the conversion, with V12 I edited into Versionsets some jpeg photo files that I had already imported into the V8 Catalog (before it got converted to V12).

       

      For some of these edited versions, the Time shown/set by the PSE V12 Organizer within the Photo-Bin (below the photo-Thumbnail) is wrong. With V12 the edited Version and the Original Version of the same photo have often not the same time. On my PC, for the edited Version of the Photo: the Time shown/set by the V12 Organizer is often off by two hours. As a result the Photo Thumbnails are not shown anymore within the Bin in the correct Time-Sequence (instead showing the Photos in Time-Sequence is based on the wrong Time set by V12). With Large catalogs, when shooting for example 100 photos within 2 hours, I therefore totally lose the overview of my photos.

       

      With V8, I had no such problem. With V8, after an Edit, the edited Version always had the same time as the original photo.

       

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      After making some detective Work, I noticed that the problem happens with those jpeg Fotofiles that i have shot in another Timezone as the Timezone of my Home (in Switzerland).  Typically when I travel abroad to another Timezone, I forget (or do not care) to change the time setting of my Nikon D5000 camera. Therefore, after importing my Photos into the PSE catalog, I have to adapt the Time  of my photos. I do that in the PSE Organizer with "Edit--> Adjust Date and Time". Until PSE V8, I had no problem with that.

       

      But after the conversion of my PSE V8 Catalog to V12, when editing with V12 a photo file that i had imported into the V8 Catalog and for which I had adapted with V8 the Time: PSE V12 sets wrongly the time of the edited version. 

       

      What I have seen so far on my PC: it is by 2 hours, that the time is wrong.
      Why 2 hours? Because this is the Time-difference between Central European Summer Time (this is the summer time in my home country of Switzerland) and Greenwhich mean time? Or is because this is twice the difference between Central European "Non-Summer" Time and Greenwhich Mean Time (i.e. instead of adding 1 hour to Greenwhich Mean Time, PSE V12 substracts 1 hour)?

       

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      I made some additional tests: In V12 I used the PSE V12 Organizer for "A Shift by set number of hours (time zone adjust)" first by setting the time "Ahead" by two hours and then by setting the time "Back" by two hours. After doing that, the problem did not showed up anymore in the few Edit Tests that I have done so far..

       

      But...I have (without counting the multiple versions within Versionsets) around 50'000 cataloged files. And in order to get rid of the problem, I have to expand individually each Versionset, in order to appply the "Ahead by two hours" and "Back by two hours" to each Version within the Versionset.. Doing all that "manually" is much too error-prone. What is needed is either a fix or a reliable Adobe-provided program that will correct what is recorded in the V12 Catalog.

       

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      For some of my Photos, I have screenprints of what the PSE V8 Organizer and the PSE V12 Organizer show:

      - the Photo thumbnail with the Date/Time shown by the Organizer below the thumbnail

      - The Metadata (including various Date/Time fields) shown by the Organizer in the "Information" Section

      Unfortunately, I can not upload them to the Forum. But if PSE Development is interested, I will be very happy to send them as email-attachment

        • 1. Re: V8 Catalog converted to V12: V12 Edit result sometimes in wrong time
          Robert Eckerlin Community Member

          What I have seen so far on my PC: it is by 2 hours, that the time is wrong.

          Why 2 hours? Because this is the Time-difference between Central European Summer Time (this is the summer time in my home country of Switzerland) and Greenwhich mean time? Or is it because this is twice the difference between Central European "Non-Summer" Time and Greenwhich Mean Time (i.e. instead of adding 1 hour to Greenwhich Mean Time, PSE V12 substracts 1 hour)?

           

          I believe to remember (but I can be wrong because my 69-year old brain/memory sometimes fails me), that in an older PSE version I had seen similar problems, that got fixed by Adobe. If my memory is correct, the bug was effectively that  PSE code was wrongly adding a number of hours to GMT instead of correctly substracting that amount of hours. Perhaps, the problem, that i encounter now with V12 is quite similar to that old problem that got fixed.

           

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          Meanwhile, I made the following additional similar tests:

             1) For a recent photo that is cataloged in the V8 catalog and that I shot in California, i did not correct with PSE V8 the Time by 8 hours. Instead, after the conversion from V8 to V12, it is with the V12 Organizer that I corrected the Time. .....This did not resulted later on (when editing that photo and saving the result of the edit) in problems

             2) I imported into PSE V12 from my Windows Folder, a photo that I had shot in California. Then, with the PSE V12 Organizer, I corrected the time by 8 hours. This too did not result later on (when editing that photo and saving the result of the edit) in problems.

           

          From my tests, I have theefore the impression, that on my PC, the problem happens in PSE V12 for photos that I had imported with V8 and for which I had corrected the time with the PSE V8 Organizer. For this kind of photos, time-related processing performed by PSE V8 and time-frelated processing performed by PSE 12 (time-related processing performed as part of the catalog conversion?) are not compatible and result in problems.

           

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          Because I still have on a memory Card the originals of some of my California Photos: I can reproduce the problem at will (first by creasting a new PSE V8 catalog, then by importing these photos into that new V8 Catalog, then by correcting the time with the PSE V8 organizer, then by converting the V8 catalog to V12, and then by editing with V12 some of these photos and saving them for example into a Versionset). I will be happy to share some of my photofiles with anybody who is interested to analyze/fix the problem

           

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          As recommended in another thread by Neale and Michel: I will soon post the description of this problem on that other Adobe website, which is often read by PSE developers.

          sy.