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1. Re: MP4 (h.264) changes in CC from CS6
thnord Oct 21, 2013 11:44 AM (in response to Nick Spiropoulos)Could you please load both files in to MediaInfo (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mediainfo/) and post a screenshot of the results?
Thanks.
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2. Re: MP4 (h.264) changes in CC from CS6
Nick Spiropoulos Oct 21, 2013 3:04 PM (in response to thnord) -
3. Re: MP4 (h.264) changes in CC from CS6
thnord Oct 21, 2013 11:17 PM (in response to Nick Spiropoulos)Go ahead and send the full report. The only thing that jumps out at me is the CC version mentions a "nominal bitrate", but the CS6 version doesn't. It seems unlikely that it is the problem though.
Does this happen with all files created using these settings in CC?
I'll try to track down a Roku. Could you please provide me with the firmware version of the one you are using?
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4. Re: MP4 (h.264) changes in CC from CS6
Nick Spiropoulos Oct 22, 2013 4:28 AM (in response to thnord)There are three files (acts) to this museum exhibit (the 2nd act will be updated yearly). Files 1 and 2 do not have the problem, only file 3. Yet, all three files are created using exactly the same process. The 2 files are are okay using CC are running fine onsite. I'm including the MediaInfo for only the problem file.
Here's the "complete" readout:
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5. Re: MP4 (h.264) changes in CC from CS6
thnord Oct 22, 2013 3:57 PM (in response to Nick Spiropoulos)Ok, good to know it is just this single file. That helps narrow it down a bit and make me wonder if we shouldn't look at the source file(s) as well. You mentioned it was ProRes, correct? Are you coming from a single file or a Premiere Pro project with ProRes sources? I'm leaning towards there being a problem in the source material we are having a problem with and end up handling it poorly.
What if you convert the source to an intermediary format (just as a test) then to the Roku-compatible file? Does that get around the issue? I know it's a pain to have to go through that extra step, but that might help us narrow down what is going on here.
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6. Re: MP4 (h.264) changes in CC from CS6
Nick Spiropoulos Oct 22, 2013 6:36 PM (in response to thnord)As senior editor for Cortina Productions I've instituted a practice of exporting from Premiere Pro production quality export files for all stages of a project. The final "Online" master files are usually ProRes HQ or ProRes 4444, sometimes high bit depth TGA or PNG image sequences.
All three acts of this exhibit's film were first output to ProRes 4444. These production master files are then further encoded to delivery files for use on-site, in this case they are MP4 at 24 Mbps. All three ProRes 4444 production masters were made by Premiere CC.
Act 1 and Act 2's ProRes 4444 master exports were encoded to MP4 using CC AME and work perfectly. The master export file from Premiere for Act three was encoded through both CS6 AME and CC AME and only the CS6 AME MP4 encode works. The source file for both encodes of Act 3 are identical. Knowing this, do you still want me to process to an intermediate?
Our hardware integrator for this project experienced the problem on two different XD1030s. I will ask if we have one in-house we can pull for further testing...
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7. Re: MP4 (h.264) changes in CC from CS6
thnord Oct 22, 2013 10:00 PM (in response to Nick Spiropoulos)Ok, an intermediate file probably won't be much help then. Could you provide me with the bad file? I will log a bug on it and let our developers take a look. It may also be helpful to provide a known good file. It isn't necessary to log a bug, but might save time if they end up asking for an example of one that works as we don't have this particular device in-house.
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8. Re: MP4 (h.264) changes in CC from CS6
Nick Spiropoulos Oct 23, 2013 2:04 PM (in response to thnord)These files must remain private. TNord, it would be great if you could provide me with info for a secure file server for uploading. Total data set is under 1/2 GB.
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9. Re: MP4 (h.264) changes in CC from CS6
fisk303 Dec 11, 2013 11:07 PM (in response to Nick Spiropoulos)Just wondering if this was resolved?
I am getting similar issues all day, and taking a few brightsign's home to test.
I might first try roll back to cs6 this evening.
Gulp show opens tomorrow!
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10. Re: MP4 (h.264) changes in CC from CS6
Nick Spiropoulos Dec 12, 2013 7:27 AM (in response to fisk303)I'm having better luck by changing the MP4 profile to baseline (formerly Main).






