You need to reset the default language in the new file before you commence pasting. Most likely the styles are either using [Basic Paragraph] or are based on it if the language is changing, so edit the [Basic Paragraph] style in the new file and in the Advanced Character Formats section change the Language dropdown to Finnish.
Thanks Peter for a quick response! However, it didn't help me yet.
My styles do not have Basic Paragraph as parent (I never do that ). Both the ”old” and the new documents’ Basic Paragraph is set to Finnish to start with (that's my default to new docs).
Furthermore, this happens between any docs, be the target old or fresh new. But not within a document.
What language do you see in the control panel with the text tool selected, but no text selected?
I default to that when building up my workspace for a new version of ID. (Also the Dictionary and the Spell Check in Preferences is set to Finnish, even though it shouldn't apply here.)
Are you patched to 8.0.2? This sounds like perhaps a bug.
You can try trashing the prefs and see if it makes a difference: see Replace Your Preferences
You can also use Find/Change to remove the overrides. Look for each style and reapply it, or look for UK English and assign Finnish (a less attactive option, I think).
Yes, latest updates at use. A bug is what I thought too, although it's strange it affects both (at least) CS6 and CC for me.
I ditched already the prefs for CC and CS6 – no result, sadly.
Simplest thing to do is to force style for all the paragraphs one by one again, but of course I'll loose my local typographics that I tend to use a lot. Also there would be lots of styles used in for example a big add.
Well, if you have a lot of local overrides you want to keep (as opposed to applied character styles, which would be preserved by simply reasserting the paragraph styles), then using find/change with the language set to find UK English and change to Finnish might actually be the simplest thing.
And I'd file a bug on this at Adobe - Feature Request/Bug Report Form
We haven't had lots of reports of anything similar, but perhaps it's language specific to Finnish, and we don't have a lot of Finnish users posting.
Thanks for your help Peter.
I often do some manual kerning, line spacing and some other tricks too locally. In general I use character styles, of course.
I found out that I don't need to force style (opt-click), but simple click to re-apply the style appears to be sufficient.
This far, nobody else here has reported this... perhaps it's just me then.
Just a thought, are you using any third party plugins?
And what's your OS?
There’s just Suitcase plugin for CS6, none for CS. Os is 10.8.5.
Just for fun, remove the suitcase plugin temporarily and see what happens. It would also be instructive to see if the same thing happens to a new user.
I follow your thought but i think its vane as this happens to CC too, and I haven't got a plugin for that in place.
I could try new account tomorrow. My time is 1.15 am so i'll be starting my sleep sequence for now.
@ultimo – maybe you could try a different thing (this is no solution, not even a workaround, merely a test):
Instead of copy/paste, just export an IDMS file (an InDesign snippet) and drag it to the page or place it between the two versions of InDesign. Do any strange things happen then?
• New user: no help.
• Save as or IDML: no change, same problem.
• Snippet: language does remain correctly Finnish!
• ID5.5: no problem at all! Language remains correct.
So, this is my persistent problem:
• Any text with a style on it becomes (as a local exception to style) wrong language when copy-pasted or dragged as a whole page between docs.
• The styles them selves transfer correct. Clicking style for each paragraph again sets the correct language (but the original local adjustments are lost).
• No style has [Basic Paragraph] as a parent and [Basic Paragraph]'s and the general default language are Finnish, too. The wrong language (English: British) is not used anywhere.
• Text with no style remains correctly Finnish (target default).
• IDML: same problem. Save As: same problem.
• IDMS: language remains correct.
• Trashing preferences doesn't help.
• New user account doesn't help.
• Effected versions: ID CC (9.1 fi), ID CS6 (8.0.2 fi). CS5.5 (7.5.1 en) is not effected. System is Mac 10.8.5 (fi).
• CC has no extra plugins. CS6 and CS5.5 have Suitcase (F4) plugin only as extra.
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At this point I think it's screaming bug. Put all the above summary in the bug report.
Thanks Peter, I did already.
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I've occasionally seen odd language problems. I finally wrote an AppleScript to ensure all of the text and styles in a doc were set to the language I wanted. Here it is for Finnish, it might help.
Here's a link to a compiled version:
tell application "Adobe InDesign CS6"
set pstyles to all paragraph styles of active document
repeat with i from 1 to number of items in pstyles
set applied language of item i of pstyles to "Finnish"
set cstyles to all character styles of active document
repeat with i from 1 to number of items in cstyles
set applied language of item i of cstyles to "Finnish"
set applied language of every paragraph of every story of active document to "Finnish"
Thanks Rob! I'm really grateful for that.