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1. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
Mike Gondek2 Oct 29, 2013 10:59 AM (in response to brian-j)I agree the way you are doing this having both Photoshop and Illustrator in the same color settings, is what logically sounds as the correct way to work. Unfortunately the Adobe color management is so convoluted, that even the worlds experts have difficulty getting this to work.
You need to turn off color management in Illustrator, set to emulate Illustrator 6.
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2. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
emil emil Oct 29, 2013 11:27 AM (in response to brian-j)I checked that with 234, 76, 52 and got 234, 75, 52 when using the same color space in both programs. Yours is more different with 234 becoming 233. If I save or export a file from Illustrator and open, place, or drag it in Photoshop the numbers stay the same. Also opening the smart object in Illustrator from Photoshop shows the original unmodified numbers.
The thing that must be noted is that both programs render (send to the monitor) the same values from 234, 76, 52 in Illustrator and 234, 75, 52 in Photoshop so, the monitor shows identical colors when using these two different values. I even created the two different colors 234, 76, 52 and 234, 75, 52 next to each other in Illustrator and the monitor renders them the same. To make this test yourself create two colors in illustrator with your different values 234, 76, 52 and 233, 75, 52 next to each other then take a screen capture and paste it in Illustrator or Photoshop then measure the colors with the eyedropper to see if they are the same.
I think the explanation to all this is rounding errors depending on the monitor profile used. 8 bit monitors with wider gamut color space have to make bigger jumps from one band (shade) to another to map one color space to another. 10 bit capable monitors and video card combination which are not available a lot should address this issue better.
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3. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
brian-j Oct 29, 2013 11:02 AM (in response to Mike Gondek2)Thanks Mike. Your solution worked - kind of...
I set Illustrator color settings to Emulate Illustrator 6.0.
If I create a new Photoshop document and copy/paste the Illustrator artwork into Photoshop as a smart object the colors are a perfect match. However, if I copy/paste the Illustrator artwork into the existing Photoshop document I've been working with the colors are still off.
Do I have to create a new Photoshop document for the color setting change in Illustrator to take effect? I don't see why that would be.
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4. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
emil emil Oct 29, 2013 11:15 AM (in response to brian-j)emulating Illustrator 6 gets the correct values but turns the color management of the display off. The values in the file will be the same as the values sent to the monitor. I'm using a wide gamut monitor and the colors are displayed completely differently than intended. One solution is to turn it off only for copying and pasting and then back in order to see what I'm doing.
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5. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
Mike Gondek2 Oct 29, 2013 11:45 AM (in response to emil emil)Emil what are your color management settings? I was getting the same exact result as the original poster and am North American General Purpose 2.
The medium red color the original poster is working with is not even a color that shifts that much. We have seen worse, prior to the fix for deassigning the color profile in Illustrator.
I also get my Photoshop foreground color shifting slightly after applied, and do not like that and can only speculate on the reason.
Interestingly though if I make an adjustment layer of solid color, the color is what I enter.
But for my needs making 3D package renderings, getting the color to match between Illustrator and Photoshop is crucial, so turning off color management in Illustrator works. Systems like Hell, Scitex or Crossfield had many other faults, but alteast color was color that worked and we did not have to look for excuses for why color does not work. Sorry Adobe but got to say your efforts at color management, have created more color mismanagement.
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6. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
emil emil Oct 29, 2013 12:12 PM (in response to Mike Gondek2)I made my tests with the North American General Purpose 2 settings and this is what I use most of the time but sometimes with different modifications depending on the job. I think color values shifting when applying colors within Photoshop is a bug because I've seen the same color values sometimes change and sometimes they stay while no color settings have been changed. Apparently there is another variable factor affecting it but I can't figure it out.
They designed the color management to match as close as possible appearance and not values. So whenever matching values is needed we have to turn the color management off. The problem is that it is always on and turning it off is a convoluted process using workarounds which sometimes may not work because of glitches occurring between various system and programs processes in charge of all this.
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7. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
Mike Gondek2 Oct 30, 2013 11:02 AM (in response to brian-j)You should not have to create a new photoshop document, the fix is always in Illustrator.
If you ever find your smart object is not matching
- double click smart object to open in illustrator
- edit >> assign profile > don't color manage this document
- save and close illustrator
Anyone from Adobe or nayone else have any insighrt on this??????????????????????
Wish there was a better soluiton than telling people to turn off color management, but has been working for me for over a decade.
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8. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
emil emil Oct 30, 2013 12:58 PM (in response to Mike Gondek2)Yes, this does work for me too Mike, thanks.
At, least with the tests I've made so far. This workaround was definitely not designed for this at all but luckily it works at least in my version. If working properly the colors values should not change at all when using the same color spaces in both programs. When using this workaround, to see the document properly, we should make sure that the working space in the color settings is set to the color space that we cannot use in the document. Otherwise the document may be displayed differently.
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9. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
brian-j Oct 30, 2013 1:56 PM (in response to Mike Gondek2)After double-clicking the smart object in Photoshop to open it in Illustrator, the "Assign Profile" command is not an active option... i.e., I can see it in the menu but can't select it. Any thoughts on why that is?
Another wierd thing - the original Illustrator file is RGB. When I double-click the smart object in Photoshop, in Illustrator under File > Document Color Mode, CMYK is the active color mode.
I'm utterly confused, man.
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10. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
emil emil Oct 30, 2013 2:04 PM (in response to brian-j)I can't reproduce this. This is a very strange and obviously malfunctioning behavior. Try restarting the programs, and if this doesn't help, reset the Illustrator preferences.
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11. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
brian-j Oct 30, 2013 2:16 PM (in response to emil emil)I figured out why "Assign Profile" wasn't active. I still had Illustrator set to "emulate Illustrator 6". I changed the color settings back to North American General Purpose 2 and am now able to access "Assign Profile".
But opening the smart object in Illustrator, changing it to "Don't color manage this document", and saving it has no effect on the color in my Photoshop document.
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12. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
emil emil Oct 30, 2013 2:40 PM (in response to brian-j)Emulate Illustrator 6 means turn off color management so the behavior in this case with graying out the options makes sense.
Don't color manage this document means remove or don't attach color profile to it. My guess is it may not work for everyone because this is not a solution designed for this but a lucky coincidence, at least in my and Mike's version (I'm using CS5 with Windows 7).
The real problem to be solved from Adobe is that Photoshop and Illustrator don't agree that it is the same color space in both programs and should not make any color values conversions.
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13. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
brian-j Oct 30, 2013 3:01 PM (in response to emil emil)I'm using CS6 on Windows 7.
Hopefully Adobe gets this issue worked out for future releases. It's a major pain.
Thanks for your help.
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14. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
Mike Gondek2 Oct 30, 2013 3:26 PM (in response to brian-j)Good job on figuring out why assign profile was greyed out. You really don't need to change to emulate 6, the assign profile is easier to monitor where you are at.
A Photoshop smart object always remembers the original color space of Illustrator file. You need to match the document color mode of Illustrator to RGB to match your Photoshop for this to work. The illustrator color palette also needs to be in RGB mode when entering values, Adobe should not even allow that color palete to mismatch the document color mode as entering colors is useless then ~ insert long color conversion spiel here. You also want to confirm your smart object updates. If you have nested smart objects this can get confusing, soonly nest once if you need to for transform distortions going to the bounding box.
Turning color management off has worked for me on this issue for all Illustrator versions and OS platforms, since the introduction of Adobe color management, should work for you.
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15. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
brian-j Oct 31, 2013 10:35 AM (in response to Mike Gondek2)Hey Mike, I appreciate your help.
My Photoshop and Illustrator just aren't playing nice with each other. The PSD and AI files I'm working with are both in the RGB color space. The smart object is updating in Photoshop after editing it in Illustrator. But the colors in the smart object in Photoshop are not changing.
I have no idea why what works for you isn't working for me. I've checked everything I can but can't figure out what the difference might be on my end.
Brian
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16. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
brian-j Oct 31, 2013 10:50 AM (in response to brian-j)Update...
Well, I just ran through the process again and it worked. The smart object in my Photoshop file was updated and is now the correct colors. I did everything the same... who knows why it didn't work yesterday and it does today. Anyway, thanks again for your the help.
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17. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
Mike Gondek2 Nov 1, 2013 8:08 AM (in response to brian-j)Glad to hear you got this to work, for my part you are welcome.
Am confident you have more success getting this to work seemlessly in the future, now that you have been through the color (mis)management gauntlet.
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18. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
Doctor D Pickle Nov 21, 2013 6:27 AM (in response to Mike Gondek2)Thanks guys. I'm having the exact same issue with color shift in a color critical situation and am tearing my hair out as I face a deadline. I've tried many of your suggestions to no avail. It seems most time effective to recolor the art in photoshop, since I've only got time to try out half your solutions
After giving Adobe tens of thousands of dollars for software since the 90s I'm stuck depending on gents like you in a forum to TRY to make the frack dig dang software work like it is supposed to, as it used to, and as I expect it to. Color matching across apps should NOT be an issue. In a professional work flow rgb logos created in Illustrator often get placed in photoshop.
Adobe shame on you for not ironing out these issues, for releasing applications that don't play well with each other, and for making PAYING users depend on a forum for the caliber of actual product support you are too cheap to provide.
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19. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
Hucklebury Hound Mar 10, 2014 1:35 AM (in response to Mike Gondek2)That just saved my day and a lot of color management horror stories i had to deal with. Thanks Mike !
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20. Re: Color change when copy Illustrator CS6 artwork into Photoshop
Jon-Bowles Apr 1, 2014 5:42 AM (in response to Mike Gondek2)Thanks for this Mike - it's a good workaround.
Of course this issue should be fixed, extremely annoying.




