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2. Re: I'm New To SG - Training?
Dave Dugdale Nov 5, 2013 12:02 PM (in response to Manuel LP)Thanks Manuel I appreciate it!
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3. Re: I'm New To SG - Training?
R Neil Haugen Nov 5, 2013 12:11 PM (in response to Dave Dugdale)I've been pretty pleased with the paid tutorials over at lynda-dot-com, but even the most current Adobe vids are slightly out of date ... ahem ... as the workflow is rather different now. Still, the Adobe vids do show how the basic programs work ... you just need to understand the huge paradigm shift to the workflow.
The old workflow, as it was with any other 'grouping' of cine/video software, was NLE to edit-lock; then export to either fx or grading (depending on one's workflow patterns); then export to the other of grade/fx and export out; then do final encoding for various needs in typically another program.
Basically, think of Speedgrade and AfterEffects as "plugins" to Premiere Pro. Do some editing in P-Pro (and no, it doesn't seem to matter too much what your footage is, though a few do have glitches on some machines/OS); send it over in bits & pieces or all of a bunch to Sg for grading, this takes maybe a minute ... no rendering out to grade! Then ... exit Sg saving your project work ... re-open in P-Pro with all your grading there ... do anything more ... and then one little thing, if you're going to Ae after grading, save your project in P-Pro, open AfterEffects, and then use the Dynamic Link option in Ae to pull your P-Pro project into it with all your grading visible. Oddly, if you send from P-Pro to Ae after grading, your grades won't show.
Or of course, you could send from P-Pro to Ae before grading, then send from P-Pro to Sg for grading ... and see your Ae stuff there but on a different layer.
So really ... much of the speed-up in the workflow is being able to move from editing to grading to fx to render in moments each 'switch' ... and without needing ANY intermediate codec puzzle-solving to do so. The working of your footage is vastly faster in this model. I can't believe the difference in even my little projects!
And ... actually ... I had troubles before with gamma/saturation shifts on final output, spent DAYS getting the right settings on screen after screen to get predictable changes. That, for me, is simply gone. What I see in the Sg monitor ... the P-Pro monitor ... the Ae monitor ... and Quicktime or whatever player I use to view the final output on ... are the same. In any of the several output formats I've used so far, H.264, Mp4, a couple others.
I'm still making stupid 'old-style' mistakes. But ... it's still HOURS faster to work in the new setup making the occasional mistake. And ... um ... Speedgrade seems to be a much nicer, more-predictable and smoother grading program. I've completely tossed grades I worked hard at achieving before becuase I could do something better in less than a quarter the time in this version.
Neil
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4. Re: I'm New To SG - Training?
Dave Dugdale Nov 5, 2013 12:16 PM (in response to R Neil Haugen)Thanks Neil, I am really excited to start using it because of all the reasons you mentioned.
I have a feeling there are a lot of people like me that are frustrated with Resolve's conform time suck and will be making the switch to SG for quick turn around projects.
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5. Re: I'm New To SG - Training?
R Neil Haugen Nov 5, 2013 5:46 PM (in response to Dave Dugdale)I know of a cine/video dude of pretty decent skills, does some teaching & providing of resources for the various programs ... who still says that though he helps those with Speedgrade, GET RESOLVE. Well ... yea. He's an expert on working through the various codecs and their settings for this that and EVERYTHING because of course, well, any expert in this needs to be, right? He's made tutorials on how to choose and set up the different auto-load presets you of course need to have to process video. So you can join him in transcode paradise, naturally.
Not any more, for most work. You do NOT need to transcode most camera-original files to work decently in the Adobe process, nor to transfer your work from editing to fx to grading and back and forth. About the only time most will need to really pay attention to codecs is during the output render at the far end of the line.
And though they've not talked much about it ... Speedgrade runs smoother and ... somehow ... more expectable? ... in the monitor whilst I tweak controls. I used to get somewhat frustrated with it ... even downloaded a bunch of presets and tools to do more grading in Ae.
Don't need it now. I've gone back to footage I'd worked with before, and ... graded it quick and forthrightly. Easily.
Am i interested in building the major machine I'd need to run resolve anymore? Not in the least.
The overall workflow is too quick and sweet "here". I do wish that among the controls in Sg ... besides the cool wheels and the slider bars ... was an option to use pretty decent sized curves boxes. AND SKIN LINES ON THE VECTORSCOPE! Oh well, can't have everything this moment.
Neil
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6. Re: I'm New To SG - Training?
Dave Dugdale Nov 6, 2013 7:24 AM (in response to R Neil Haugen)Thanks Neil, I got some good practice in with SG last night. I have a lot to learn with the tracker. Too bad you can't track backwards. There are many little items like the tracker and no courves but I can tell already my speed will increase a lot.
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7. Re: I'm New To SG - Training?
XBVIS Nov 6, 2013 12:07 PM (in response to Dave Dugdale)Hello
Get the possibility to import traking Mocha is a very interesting feature for the next update of the software.
Is it possible to work around this problem?
"Import a mask color calibration of SG" ... Then in AE to tracking in Mocha
sorry for the headache
;-)
xavier

