15 Replies Latest reply: Nov 20, 2013 3:16 PM by Ken Nielsen RSS

    Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?

    Ken Nielsen Community Member

      For the creative process, I would like to be able to see multiple clips side by side, able to scrub forward and backward to see the 'weight' of diffent scenes and not just have to imagine in my mind how they will work together. If Premere Pro will not allow this, then is there some other app, not Bridge please, that enables you to line up the viewing of more than one clip? The only way I can think of doing this right now is to put one clip on the timeline and view on the program monitor and then view the other from the source panel.

        • 1. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
          Mark Mapes Adobe Employee

          Premiere allows only one instance of the Source Monitor. Same goes for the Program Monitor.

           

          You might try creating a multicam sequence with the clips you want to compare. Then you can scrub all the clips at once. While the multicam feature is intended to actually cut between the clips, it may serve your purposes of just reviewing multiple clips side by side.

          • 2. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
            Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

            Hi Ken,

            Another idea is to place the clips you wish to compare in a bin and then switch to icon mode within that bin. Scale up the icons big enough to taste. You can scrub, mark, and compare takes with ease in this fashion.

             

            Hope this helps,

            Kevin

            • 3. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
              Ken Nielsen Community Member

              Kevin, the Icon view would work but when I change from one clip to another the clips don't hold their position and jump to another frame on their own. If there were a way to get them to stay on the frame I left them on when I switch to view/scrub another clip, this would work perfectly.

              • 4. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                Ken Nielsen Community Member

                Mark, Multi-cam is a possibility but links the clips so they play together. I was hoping to review each clip independently side-by-side.

                • 5. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                  J. Simon Community Member

                  Adding a PIP effect to clips in the sequence is a good way to see more than one clip at a time.

                  • 6. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                    Ken Nielsen Community Member

                    For what I would like, to have independent scrub control of each clip (two or three clips at a time) I think I would need to buy three Macs, install three versions of Premiere Pro and open all at once using the same common group of clips in the bin, viewing each choice of clip on each Mac, side-by-side. This would give me the independent control over each clip as I would be able to watch them in various places in the clip. This is what I was going for. Just wondering if it was possible in Premiere Pro itself by generating a set of source monitor windows.

                    • 7. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                      J. Simon Community Member

                      I would like to have independent scrub control of each clip (two or three clips at a time)

                       

                      That's contradictory information.  Do you want to scrub them independently, or two or three at a time?  The first is achieved in the single Source Monitor, the latter can be achieved via Multicam or PIP effects in the Program Monitor.

                      • 8. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                        shooternz Community Member

                        Forgive me for any assumptions.

                         

                        I understand what you are trying to do here but it would always have its limitations.

                         

                        eg imagine if you had 10 takes, clips  or cameras to look at simultaneously.

                         

                        and not just have to imagine in my mind how they will work together.

                         

                        Editors for years and years have worked through their material doing exactly that. Basically cutting in what works (and looks good) as they see it.

                         

                        The NLE was a revolution because it allows editors to drop in and change an edit anywhere , anytime in a non linear manner.   But it also allows one to easily preview  both sides of the edit as well as a the source  while doing so.

                         

                        Take selection is usually a simple linear process (logging and selects) with maybe a bit of trial and error in the timeline.

                         

                        Editing multiple scenes shot in parallel is probably best served by multicam mode.  FWIW ..I edit multicam the old fashioned way and use  a master scene video layer then overlay to upper tracks from source monitor.

                        • 9. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                          Ken Nielsen Community Member

                          shooternz wrote:

                           

                          Forgive me for any assumptions.

                           

                          I understand what you are trying to do here but it would always have its limitations.

                           

                          eg imagine if you had 10 takes, clips  or cameras to look at simultaneously.

                           

                          and not just have to imagine in my mind how they will work together.

                           

                          Editors for years and years have worked through their material doing exactly that. Basically cutting in what works (and looks good) as they see it.

                           

                          The NLE was a revolution because it allows editors to drop in and change an edit anywhere , anytime in a non linear manner.   But it also allows one to easily preview  both sides of the edit as well as a the source  while doing so.

                           

                          Take selection is usually a simple linear process (logging and selects) with maybe a bit of trial and error in the timeline.

                           

                          Editing multiple scenes shot in parallel is probably best served by multicam mode.  FWIW ..I edit multicam the old fashioned way and use  a master scene video layer then overlay to upper tracks from source monitor.

                           

                          I'm marking this as the correct answer because it points to the way that this needs to be handled, still done in the mind of the editor to a large part.

                           

                          I  would like to see a feature or even another application, which I think there is one to pre-edit footage before bringing it into Premiere Pro, but with the ability to review several clips on-screen independently. The closest thing to this out of all the comments I've seen is the bin shown in icon mode, but the clips there are unweildly when you want to leave one clip and go to another, the one you leave does not stay on the frame you had when you left it.

                           

                          Thanks for all comments here, all are most helpful and have me moving ahead with confidence in simply using my imagination to do much of the process.

                           

                          As It Should Be,

                           

                          Ken

                          • 10. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                            J. Simon Community Member

                            review several clips on-screen independently.

                             

                            See, there's that contradiction again.  Several means more than one.  Independently connotes one at a time.

                             

                            I'm confused.

                             

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                            • 11. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                              Ken Nielsen Community Member

                              I guess what I am trying to say is several clips, each able to be viewed or scrubbed independently, not synced.

                               

                              Homer at the Nuclear Reactor control board. Love it!

                              • 12. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                                J. Simon Community Member

                                Sorry but, that contradiction is still there.  Several and independently.  Which is it?

                                 

                                If your scrubbing one at a time, I don't see why the Source Monitor is insufficient.

                                • 13. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                                  Ken Nielsen Community Member

                                  I've spent my life in communication, yet I can't seem to do it. I want to be able to see several clips at one time, and to be able to go to each one individually while seeing all of the others at all times, but only scrubbing one while the others are still. Then, after arriving at the correct frame in one, the ability to go to another clip, still while being able to see all of the clips, and scrub through the newly selected clip to arrive at another point in that clip and see that frame in place - so I can compare frames across clips, not only to see where I can achieve lighting balance or correction that will tie them all together in a better way, but also to see where the best editing points are in context of viewing them all.

                                   

                                  The wonderful thing about the human mind is the abiliy to imagine and to retain well enough to do this balancing act in the imagination, however, wouldn't it be nice to have this ability on screen? Adobe Prelude was the app I was hoping might have this ability, I have feelers out in that department as we speak.

                                  • 14. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                                    Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                    Ken,

                                    One possibility for comparing frames amongst different takes is ganging. However, you only do this with two clips. Place the clip in the Timeline, then place another take in the Source Monitor at the same point. In the panel menu, choose Gang Source and Program monitor. They don't play in unison, but they do stop at the same time so that you can compare frames.

                                     

                                    Best,

                                    Kevin

                                    • 15. Re: Is it possible to have more than one source panel for multiple clips?
                                      Ken Nielsen Community Member

                                      Kevin Monahan wrote:

                                       

                                      Ken,

                                      One possibility for comparing frames amongst different takes is ganging. However, you only do this with two clips. Place the clip in the Timeline, then place another take in the Source Monitor at the same point. In the panel menu, choose Gang Source and Program monitor. They don't play in unison, but they do stop at the same time so that you can compare frames.

                                       

                                      Best,

                                      Kevin

                                       

                                      This is what I mentioned in one of my earlier posts Kevin, and it does make sense. I would not gang them because I don't want them to stop at the same time. I think what I want can be done with two different clips using this method. I'm only wanting to use this for visualizing anyway and two clips is bettern than just one IMHO.

                                       

                                      Thanks