29 Replies Latest reply on Nov 30, 2013 11:47 AM by graph22

    Choosing where page numbers start

    graph22 Level 1

      Hi,

       

      I'm working on a book project and would like to start the numbering on a particular page. How do I do that?

       

      Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!

        • 1. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
          Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          Put your page numbers on a master page. Create a text frame. With the Type tool selected, choose Type > Insert Special Character > Markers > Current Page Number. Pages based on that master page will show the current page number. (Make sure the page number is on a layer or stacking order high enough to make them visible if there is a background object.)

           

          Use Numbering and Section Options from the Pages panel menu to specify where the numbering starts and what style of numbering you're using.

           

          Use a different master page (without page numbers) for pages that don't need page numbers to appear.

          • 2. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
            Doc Maik Level 4

            In addition to Steve:

            If you place a master page with such a placeholder, then it will show the current page number. In case you want to change the page numbering to, let's say, start with number 1 on the third spread, then you need to do that in the pages panel. Click the third spread/page and select page numbering options from the panel menu and set as desired. There are several ways to realise what you need. Not very elegant, but efficient:

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            • 3. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
              Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

              Neither of the other two responders has mentioned that as soon as you reset a section to start at 1 ID is going to complain that there is another page with the same number already. You fix this by changing the numbering style for one of the sections, probably the one that starts on the first page of the document.

              • 4. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                Doc Maik Level 4

                Peter Spier wrote:

                 

                Neither of the other two responders has mentioned that as soon as you reset a section to start at 1 ID is going to complain that there is another page with the same number already.

                So what? Let ID complain. That's why I wrote "not very elegant", but that's actually what the topic starter asked for. He/she might renumber the first two pages to A and B if he/she likes.

                • 5. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                  Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                  So waht? Here's what: Duplicate page numbers confuse ID when you need to specify a range of pages for output, and confuse Acrobat as well if you want to print a particular page (had that happen last week).

                   

                  It's a small matter to fix the numbering style.

                  • 6. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                    Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                    And of course there's always the problem that a new user sees an unexpected warning and has no idea if it's a serious problem or if they've done something wrong, so I think it's worthwhile mentioning when you know an action will generate a warning.

                    • 7. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                      Laubender Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      @Doc Malik – It's not only for the alert message. If you want to print out or export to PDF and you like to do not the whole page range, but an individual range like (in absolute page numbering) 1-3, you'll ask for some trouble.

                       

                      Of course one could use an absolute page numbering scheme like: Print pages: +1-+3.
                      But…

                       

                      After trying this myself in InDesign CS5.5:

                      Very good, InDesign is clever enough to suggesting the right numbering scheme in the print  or export dialog…

                       

                      The point goes to you ;-)

                       

                      Uwe

                      • 8. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                        Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                        I didn't realize we had a competition going here, and I don't want belabor the point, but do you really think someone who is asking about starting numbering several pages into the document is already familiar with the difference between absolute and logical page numbering, and how to specify an absolute page range in the print/export dialogs?

                         

                        All my post was intended to do was let the user know there would be a warning dialog when following Doc's excellent explanation, (Steve was a little less clear about starting a new section in the pages panel, I think), and how to resolve it so that you can still see the logical page numbers -- I don't know anyone who would want to use absolute numbers in the pages panel when they've restarted numbering.

                        • 9. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                          Laubender Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          @Peter – no, no.
                          No competition here. Therefore the wink in my answer.

                           

                          You have very good points. And: we still have to wait what the OP will have to say.

                           

                          Peace…

                           

                          Uwe

                          • 10. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                            Doc Maik Level 4

                            Peter seems to be Mister 100%.

                            It was just an example. The topic starter was asking for "How to renumber...?" and not "Are there any negative side effects?". Well, there are. When exporting the whole document to a printable PDF that is just meant for print, then all is fine with 1,2,1 numbering.

                            • 11. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                              Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                              I don't understand why you seem to object so much to my providing additional information to a new user. I didn't say anything negative about your post. I said nobody had mentioned that there would be a warning dialog. How is that a problem for you?

                               

                              One of the biggest advantages of these forums is that they are searchable, and many more users besides the one making the orignal post may see and benefit fom information.

                              • 12. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                Eugene Tyson Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                So what? Let ID complain. That's why I wrote "not very elegant", but that's actually what the topic starter asked for. He/she might renumber the first two pages to A and B if he/she likes.

                                 

                                Absolutely belligerent response.

                                 

                                Why are you picking a fight with Peter (or anyone)?

                                 

                                The mind boggles???

                                 

                                 

                                Peter seems to be Mister 100%.

                                 

                                Well that's why he's an MVP and his photo and bio are on the side of the page, because he can give courteous and helpful advise - and does so willingly in his free time and likes to help people without being rude.

                                 

                                 

                                What nobody has mentioned so far is that you can turn on in the

                                 

                                Preferences>General

                                 

                                And switch from Section Numbering to Absolute Numbering.

                                 

                                 

                                This will allow the pages to be displayed as 1,2,3,4 etc.

                                 

                                But the page numbering will reflect the Sections

                                 

                                For example:

                                 

                                1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6

                                 

                                 

                                This is the advice the software makers gave when using this feature.

                                 

                                 

                                It's nice to explain these things to people that aren't familiar with the software - as it stops the added confusion.

                                 

                                 

                                When replying it's always best to give 100% correct answers rather than leaving a user frustrated with the Advise given - as it wasn't complete and they are getting warnings and don't know what to do!

                                 

                                If you're answer isn't 100% then someone will correct or steer the topic that way - and that way the OP and future readers get all the best advice - rather than 50/60/70etc.% of it.

                                 

                                 

                                And it is possible that these threads are found years later, and with only half arsed written posts that add confusion to new users - I'm glad Peter is "Mister 100%".

                                 

                                 

                                We can all help the OP - it's not a competition.

                                 

                                All the information gathered in one place helps the OP and the future readers of posts.

                                 

                                 

                                There's no need to snipe one another on the forums.

                                 

                                 

                                In essence, relax.

                                • 13. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                  graph22 Level 1

                                  Thanks Steve.

                                   

                                  I already had the page numbers and now see how to switch them to the 01, 02 format. So I changed them. But how specifically do you tell InDesign which page you want to be 01? I tried creating a new master with no page numbers and applying it to the pages prior to where I wanted 01 to start but it didn't automatically make the pages change. Meaning, I wanted what was 07 to become 01 so I applied a master with no page numbers to pages 01-06, so it took away the page numbers prior to 07, but the page numbering still started at 07 on page 07. Make sense?

                                  • 14. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                    Doc Maik Level 4

                                    @Eugene: What? Fight? Where?

                                     

                                    Easy, pal. Nobody's fighting here. I just find it pretty useless to inform users about or point to ID complains he/she will be going to see anyway. See post 3.

                                    I actually pointed out in post 2, that my numbering scheme example is not elegant, which implies that there might be complications. People are not stupid, you know. They can think. For example, if someone buys an apple in a grocery store, nobody will come and tell him, the apple will start to foul when not eaten with in a week or so.

                                    • 15. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                      Doc Maik Level 4

                                      graph22 wrote:

                                       

                                      But how specifically do you tell InDesign which page you want to be 01? I tried creating a new master with no page numbers and applying it to the pages prior to where I wanted 01 to start but it didn't automatically make the pages change. Meaning, I wanted what was 07 to become 01 so I applied a master with no page numbers to pages 01-06, so it took away the page numbers prior to 07, but the page numbering still started at 07 on page 07. Make sense?

                                      See post 2. You need to renumber in the pages panel. If the former 01-06 shall not remain, you may renumber them A-F, so spread number 7 starts as 1 or 01.

                                      • 16. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                        Eugene Tyson Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                        Moving to PM

                                        • 17. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                          Eugene Tyson Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                          Actually couldn't be bothered.

                                          • 18. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                            graph22 Level 1

                                            I did what was said in post 2 but it's still not changing 07 to 01. Attached are screenshots of my pages panel and Numbering and Sections Options panel. Maybe I'm just doing one little thing wrong but I don't know what it is.

                                             

                                            To clarify, after selecting the page you want to start the numbering on in the pages panel, you hit the dropdown and choose Numbering and Section options. Once there, I checked Start Page Numbering at 1 and for Style I chose 01, 02, 03.... Is this correct?

                                             

                                            Thanks!

                                             

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                                            • 19. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                              Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                              Edit (or, on Mac, InDesign) > Preferences > General... and make sure you're set to view section numbering.

                                              • 20. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                                graph22 Level 1

                                                I already was.

                                                • 21. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                                  Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                  Hmmm.

                                                   

                                                  Looking closely at the screen shot it seems yo have the whole spread selected. Try unchecking the start section box (or undo, if you can), then try again making sure you have only one page selected.

                                                   

                                                  If that doesn't work (and it might not -- I'm not seeing a problem here when a whole spread is selected in CS6), it may be time to try an export to .idml.

                                                  • 22. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                                    graph22 Level 1

                                                    Thanks, but it didn't do anything. For what it's worth I'm using CC, not CS6. It's also an InDesign plugin from Blurb (the online book maker) but it should still operate the same. What is idml?

                                                    • 23. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                                      Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                      Yes, I could tell you were using CC from the screen shot, that's why I mentioned it works in CS6. I wouldn't be certain that the Blurb plugin actually works in CC, either.

                                                       

                                                      As for .idml, see Remove minor corruption by exporting

                                                       

                                                      I think in CC the location and terminology are now Save AS and something to do with saving for CS4 in the dropdown for type -- I don't have CC running on this box so I can't look it up.

                                                      • 24. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                                        graph22 Level 1

                                                        I tried the IDML export but am then not able to open the file with InDesign as the instructions say to. It's not an option even after doing "Open With" another application. I try to open InDesign but the app is grayed out in it's folder.

                                                        • 25. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                                          Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                          You're sure you saved as .idml?

                                                           

                                                          You should be using File > Open... from ID.

                                                          • 26. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                                            Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                            Are you running InDesign 9.1, or only 9.0? If 9.0 you need to update.

                                                             

                                                            And if you cannot open .idml files you may need to replace your prefs. See Replace Your Preferences

                                                            • 27. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                                              graph22 Level 1

                                                              Ok. Will this have any affect on my exisitng document?

                                                              • 28. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                                                Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

                                                                Replacing prefs does not affect documents (at least not directly), but you'll lose some program customizations. My tendency is to use the manual method so I can put the old ones back if it doesn't help, and I make a backup set so I don't have to rebuild all the custom stuff every time (and sometimes I even remeber I've done that).

                                                                 

                                                                Before you get drastic, though, try disabling the Blurb plugin and any other third party plugins you hav installed.

                                                                • 29. Re: Choosing where page numbers start
                                                                  graph22 Level 1

                                                                  Thanks Peter. I was actually able to get it to work. I just hadn't had "Allow Document Pages to Shuffle" Unchecked. Thanks again for your help.